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Post by rainbow on Jan 8, 2018 12:28:07 GMT 10
Inspired by a thread from inthe00s.
Do you think 2009 was culturally more 2000's or more early 2010's?
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Post by prodanny288 on Jan 8, 2018 13:56:27 GMT 10
Early 2010s for sure. The death of Toon Disney, Facebook overtaking MySpace, electropop, Nickelodeon’s logo change, Obama in office
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Post by longaotian on Jan 8, 2018 15:36:02 GMT 10
It was equal I think, maybe very slightly leaning early 2010s
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 8, 2018 23:34:06 GMT 10
It's hard to say, as the year had prominent influences from both decades. If I had to pick though, I would probably say the 2000s.
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Post by #Infinity on Jan 9, 2018 0:40:24 GMT 10
Early 2010s for sure. The death of Toon Disney, Facebook overtaking MySpace, electropop, Nickelodeon’s logo change, Obama in office The whole year belongs to a decade it wasn't actually a part of primarily because of Nickelodeon changing its logo and Disney changing its animated block? Come on now. It's hands down 2000s. Even compared to 2011 and frankly most of 2010, 2009 is pretty distinct. Rock was still very much mainstream, r&b and hip hop still had strong ties to the late 2000s (its biggest representatives would start recording straight-up electro-dance music the following year), television did not yet have much of a '10s identity, iPhones were hardly a cultural mainstay yet, the MCU wasn't official yet, the Labour Party was still in control of the British Parliament, and fashion was still primarily scene and the dying vestiges of emo, without the 2010s hipster look being much of a thing at all yet. Let's not forget, either, that 2009 is, by definition, a 2000s year, which carries a lot of weight when defining it culturally, too.
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Post by prodanny288 on Jan 9, 2018 4:33:08 GMT 10
Early 2010s for sure. The death of Toon Disney, Facebook overtaking MySpace, electropop, Nickelodeon’s logo change, Obama in office The whole year belongs to a decade it wasn't actually a part of primarily because of Nickelodeon changing its logo and Disney changing its animated block? Come on now. It's hands down 2000s. Even compared to 2011 and frankly most of 2010, 2009 is pretty distinct. Rock was still very much mainstream, r&b and hip hop still had strong ties to the late 2000s (its biggest representatives would start recording straight-up electro-dance music the following year), television did not yet have much of a '10s identity, iPhones were hardly a cultural mainstay yet, the MCU wasn't official yet, the Labour Party was still in control of the British Parliament, and fashion was still primarily scene and the dying vestiges of emo, without the 2010s hipster look being much of a thing at all yet. Let's not forget, either, that 2009 is, by definition, a 2000s year, which carries a lot of weight when defining it culturally, too. ...It’s more than just Disney and the logo change. Look at my other reasons I listed. We were 100% in early 2010s culture by late 2009. iPhones were already becoming common by then. Heck I remember my friend and parents owning one at that time. It was not surprising to other people anymore.
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Post by #Infinity on Jan 9, 2018 5:19:54 GMT 10
The whole year belongs to a decade it wasn't actually a part of primarily because of Nickelodeon changing its logo and Disney changing its animated block? Come on now. It's hands down 2000s. Even compared to 2011 and frankly most of 2010, 2009 is pretty distinct. Rock was still very much mainstream, r&b and hip hop still had strong ties to the late 2000s (its biggest representatives would start recording straight-up electro-dance music the following year), television did not yet have much of a '10s identity, iPhones were hardly a cultural mainstay yet, the MCU wasn't official yet, the Labour Party was still in control of the British Parliament, and fashion was still primarily scene and the dying vestiges of emo, without the 2010s hipster look being much of a thing at all yet. Let's not forget, either, that 2009 is, by definition, a 2000s year, which carries a lot of weight when defining it culturally, too. ...It’s more than just Disney and the logo change. Look at my other reasons I listed. We were 100% in early 2010s culture by late 2009. iPhones were already becoming common by then. Heck I remember my friend and parents owning one at that time. It was not surprising to other people anymore. I know you listed more than just kid’s TV channels, but my point is it seems pretty ridiculous to overlook a lot of other things that impacted the nature of everyday life on a much broader level. And really? 100% in early 2010s culture merely by late 2009? Explain, then, these to me:   Beyond that, MySpace was not dead yet, even though Facebook had surpassed it; throughout the actual early 2010s, MySpace was virtually dead, not simply declining. The iPhone was not nearly the immediate success you seem to be treating it as; far more people than not owned a flip-phone or Blackberry instead in 2009, and really, phone app culture was hardly an established phenomenon until 2010 or 2011. Honestly, this whole is 2009 a late 2000s or early 2010s year schtick has already been beaten to the ground, but it really still astounds me how many people still consider the year more of an early 2010s year when not only is it, by definition, a 2000s year, but such an overwhelming amount of its culture is thoroughly disconnected from what really ended up comprising the 2010s decade.
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Post by X2M on Jan 9, 2018 6:00:28 GMT 10
I agree with everything! Some people here exaggerating 2009 so much it's not even funny anymore. It seems they are unknowingly leaving out the previous influences that were still current that year. Oh, and didn't we already have a topic in this debate? Do you consider 2009 to be a 2010s Cultural Year?
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Post by unicornic on Jan 9, 2018 7:27:03 GMT 10
It was about as 2000s as you could possibly get. Everything in terms of fashion, tech, TV, and even music was still fairly 2000s. iPhones were expensive so not many had them. The Wii was still the biggest thing. prodanny288, you cannot just say 2009 was early 2010’s just because they changed the logo on your childhood channel. 
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Post by unicornic on Jan 9, 2018 7:40:53 GMT 10
The whole year belongs to a decade it wasn't actually a part of primarily because of Nickelodeon changing its logo and Disney changing its animated block? Come on now. It's hands down 2000s. Even compared to 2011 and frankly most of 2010, 2009 is pretty distinct. Rock was still very much mainstream, r&b and hip hop still had strong ties to the late 2000s (its biggest representatives would start recording straight-up electro-dance music the following year), television did not yet have much of a '10s identity, iPhones were hardly a cultural mainstay yet, the MCU wasn't official yet, the Labour Party was still in control of the British Parliament, and fashion was still primarily scene and the dying vestiges of emo, without the 2010s hipster look being much of a thing at all yet. Let's not forget, either, that 2009 is, by definition, a 2000s year, which carries a lot of weight when defining it culturally, too. ...It’s more than just Disney and the logo change. Look at my other reasons I listed. We were 100% in early 2010s culture by late 2009. iPhones were already becoming common by then. Heck I remember my friend and parents owning one at that time. It was not surprising to other people anymore. They may had iPhones in late 2009, but they were still in the minority. Not many people could afford iPhones because they were a novelty back then. People still stuck to their slide phones and digital cameras. Yes electro pop started to come, however, you’re missing many other music genres that make 2009 fit in with its numerical decade. Like Infinity mentioned, rock was still quite mainstream and r&b hip-hop was still heavily 2000’s influenced. The fashion was still very 2000’s. Nobody was talking about hipsters yet. Guys still wore their hair long and emo was still quite common among young people. Myspace, while past it’s peak, was still fairly common and had a little bit of relevance until the following year.
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Post by longaotian on Jan 9, 2018 7:41:04 GMT 10
It was about as 2000s as you could possibly get. Everything in terms of fashion, tech, TV, and even music was still fairly 2000s. iPhones were expensive so not many had them. The Wii was still the biggest thing. prodanny288 , you cannot just say 2009 was early 2010’s just because they changed the logo on your childhood channel.  How you could say "it was about as 2000s as you could possibly get" is beyond me
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 11:38:31 GMT 10
Though it was the first year where electropop was really mainstream and the first year where emo was not really a thing anymore, it was still before the great political division that started happening in around 2012. Additionally, the pop culture in 2009 still had a 2000's feel to it.
Verdict: 2000's
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 5, 2018 16:39:50 GMT 10
No disrespect to anyone who has this opinion, but i'm genuinely surprised by how many people consider 2009 to be a cultural 2010s year. While you could make a case for the second-half of 2009 (particularly from October onwards, as I remember it) leaning more towards the 2010s, the year generally was more of a "2000s" cultural year, in my opinion. I personally think a lot of people overestimate how transformative Late 2008 was. People didn't just suddenly start using smartphones and watched Game of Thrones the day Barack Obama was inaugurated. 
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Post by al on Apr 18, 2018 15:12:28 GMT 10
I say 2010's but this is tainted by my personal perspective, largely due to it being my first full year of high school. However, I do still think there are some valid points to this perspective. Facebook was already the main way for teens to communicate and was available (although crudely) through mobile apps on the popular iPod touch and early 10's style texting phones. Obama was president and the tea party had begun its brief moment of popularity. The Twilight series peaked though retained popularity until the last film. Skinny jeans were fast replacing boot cut in popularity. Emo was slightly fading. Hipster glasses and oversized sweaters and thrifting were becoming things. This is not to deny the 00's influences that still lingered, however many aspects of the 10's were already alive and well
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Post by Telso on Apr 18, 2018 19:18:47 GMT 10
2000s; 2009 set the tone for the early 2010s but that's about it. Everything that is defining for this decade appeared or became huge during the 2012-2015 period and I have a hard time to associate 2009 with any year past 2012.
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