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Post by rainbow on Jul 2, 2020 3:18:58 GMT 10
Before the coronavirus pandemic and the George Floyd protest, I was under the impression that racism is at an all time low and that we see it more now thanks to the Internet, which may give us the impression that racism is worse than it was before. However, now that it's July 2020, I no longer believe that its just the media. I legitimately believe racism and race relations are actually getting worse. The coronavirus pandemic itself already proved this. There's a lot of instances of Asian people experiencing subtle racism because they are believed to have the virus. My friend prodanny288 has even experienced this. It's gotten to the point where people were even beaten up for it. And of course we have the George Floyd protests that instantly sparked controversy of race in America. There have been more cases of police brutality especially against black people, and COVID-19 rates and deaths are said to be much higher in Black and Hispanics. A biracial girl was set on fire by four racist white men that called her racial slurs. In the awakening of the George Floyd protests and BLM, Reddit did a banwave and updated their policy. However, before they changed the wording of their policy, it originally said: This not only means that "majority" groups aren't protected, but Reddit made it clear that being racist against the "majority" (which they really mean white people) is not against their rules. While they changed the wording of their policy due to severe backlash, I still think their examples are bad. Would these examples still be against the rules if the roles were reversed? It seems like it has become more and more socially accepted to be racist against white people. I'm not arguing that white people are being oppressed because they're obviously not. But we can't reach true equality until everyone is equally held accountable, and I think that's something a lot of people don't want to admit. What do you think?
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 2, 2020 11:56:55 GMT 10
No. Racism has always been around in this severity, its just that people move on to something else when an opportunity presents itself. It's like when the schoolyard bully picks on the scrawny kid who has no friends. The bully notices that the kid now wears a dorky pair of glasses, which gives the bully something else to focus his attention on. Would the protests have ever occurred if George Floyd's death wasn't captured on video? Would HBO Max still have removed Gone With The Wind if the public backlash from the video never existed? I doubt it.
People are the victims of racist behaviours and comments every single day, however the majority of it goes unnoticed. I also have a friend who is of Asian descent and when we both started high school, kids would make comments about him only eating fried rice or being really good at playing the piano. Those comments are really no different to people blaming all Asians for the spread of the coronavirus. The message is different, but the racist undertones are the same.
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Post by Telso on Jul 8, 2020 19:34:56 GMT 10
I don't think racism is getting worse. I do think however that racism has always been a major sociological issue. And the path to improvement is very slow and still showing major growing pains.
The thing with internet is that the loudest and the most outright hateful are getting easier attention, and with more and more platforms it also becomes more efficient for them to spread their bullshit. But they're such a minority that they don't form a huge problem on their own. The biggest problem still remains society as a whole and its subtle, but harmful ways of marginalizing minority groups and pushing them to the sideway.
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Post by al on Jul 9, 2020 1:14:28 GMT 10
I think it's changing in nature perhaps rather than getting worse. Internet extremism seems to be making people more volatile and race has become an easy target. That's of course not to dismiss its existence or as something worth discussing. But it's probably the most sensitive topic in American history/our political sphere, and very easy to stir up emotions about.
I'm not sure I feel the white racism is just that as much as I feel it's harassment. Especially when it's white on white, and a lot of it is. It's more something that exists online rather than being systematic in real life, outside maybe certain circles. There's a level of this I relate to people simply trying to antagonize each other.
Anyway what I guess I really feel like is getting worse is people's rage and malcontent. Some of it's clearly righteous, some of it is subjective. I think a key thing to remember is that we have only had a communication platform this wide for vaguely a decade. It's not just about our societal issues anymore, but uncensored human emotions under pressure. We're seeing a side of people that has never been documented so well before.
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Post by rainbow on Jul 9, 2020 4:41:09 GMT 10
I think it's changing in nature perhaps rather than getting worse. Internet extremism seems to be making people more volatile and race has become an easy target. That's of course not to dismiss its existence or as something worth discussing. But it's probably the most sensitive topic in American history/our political sphere, and very easy to stir up emotions about. I'm not sure I feel the white racism is just that as much as I feel it's harassment. Especially when it's white on white, and a lot of it is. It's more something that exists online rather than being systematic in real life, outside maybe certain circles. There's a level of this I relate to people simply trying to antagonize each other.
Anyway what I guess I really feel like is getting worse is people's rage and malcontent. Some of it's clearly righteous, some of it is subjective. I think a key thing to remember is that we have only had a communication platform this wide for vaguely a decade. It's not just about our societal issues anymore, but uncensored human emotions under pressure. We're seeing a side of people that has never been documented so well before. The reason why I'm concerned about the white racism on the left (especially when it's from non-white people) is because it has a huge potential to trigger actual white supremacists who feel like they are being attacked. Now to be fair, white supremacists have always felt like they were being attacked for being white even before politics became more divisive. But when you have non-white people tweeting stuff about white people that would otherwise get them fired from their job if they were white tweeting the same thing about any other minority group, and when you tell white people to stop being fragile, you're going to get a lot of the David Dukes on the far right who will become even more hostile to racial minorities. I mean, why do you think there's a drastic increase in leftism lately? It's because of Trump. And Trump is loud and vocal against leftism. It's two extremes reacting to one another.
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Post by al on Jul 10, 2020 7:18:30 GMT 10
The reason why I'm concerned about the white racism on the left (especially when it's from non-white people) is because it has a huge potential to trigger actual white supremacists who feel like they are being attacked. Now to be fair, white supremacists have always felt like they were being attacked for being white even before politics became more divisive. But when you have non-white people tweeting stuff about white people that would otherwise get them fired from their job if they were white tweeting the same thing about any other minority group, and when you tell white people to stop being fragile, you're going to get a lot of the David Dukes on the far right who will become even more hostile to racial minorities. I mean, why do you think there's a drastic increase in leftism lately? It's because of Trump. And Trump is loud and vocal against leftism. It's two extremes reacting to one another. I see where you're going with this and I agree that it's a problem. The situation kinda reminds me of the phrase "set up to fail," which of course isn't a new concept when it comes to race relations; it's just more in an ideological way. White people get to be either fragile and racist, or a self-loathing apologist. I'm not sure the latter is such a great look, even if there is far more aversion to the former. It begins to feel like everyone is being driven here to point out how crazy they are. Like back and forth gaslighting, where anybody can be both an authority and a victim at the same time. "Fueling the fire." As much I prefer to be optimistic, I'd be lying to act like I'm not nervous about where this is going. Not just about race, but dissent in general, particularly via making an example out of people.
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Post by mc98 on Sept 15, 2020 11:24:27 GMT 10
Honestly, the "woke" crowd in social media are not helping things either. They constantly spam colonizer to any white person they see and actually said that white people deserve no rights. As a non-white person, it's shameful that they are fueling the fire more than extinguishing it when it comes to race relations. Yes, a lot of black people are getting killed by police for reasons that are small but we can't pit at each other just because of a few bad apples.
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Post by broadstreet223 on Sept 17, 2020 0:06:22 GMT 10
Unfortunately it is
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 2, 2020 0:00:11 GMT 10
I don't really know, I've experienced it a little bit but, definitely not as much as my slightly younger brother (he has darker complexion than me). I do believe that the internet has definitely exposed racism a lot more and racism has always been around. You might have a point though because most of my brother's racist experiences have been from the 2010s, barely any at all from the 2000s. Come to think of it, the 2000s might be the least racist decade ever. I kind of think the Trump administration and the alt-right has really aggravated racism in the past 4/5 years.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 2, 2020 2:20:53 GMT 10
I don't really know, I've experienced it a little bit but, definitely not as much as my slightly younger brother (he has darker complexion than me). I do believe that the internet has definitely exposed racism a lot more and racism has always been around. You might have a point though because most of my brother's racist experiences have been from the 2010s, barely any at all from the 2000s. Come to think of it, the 2000s might be the least racist decade ever. I kind of think the Trump administration and the alt-right has really aggravated racism in the past 4/5 years. I felt there was some degree of unique racism or bigotry during late Y2k era to the mid 2000s that came from the conservatism and the reaction to it from that era. I don't think it was as targed to african africans as much as to other groups such as middle easterners or people perceived to be as such after 9/11, mexicans, and also various groups of whites as well, a form of reverse racism. I think there may have been other kinds of stronger racism in 80s and some increase of bigoted attitudes in the late 10s with Trump and the alt right. I think it might just continue dissolving, since it was more of flash in the pan type thing.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 2, 2020 2:30:27 GMT 10
I don't really know, I've experienced it a little bit but, definitely not as much as my slightly younger brother (he has darker complexion than me). I do believe that the internet has definitely exposed racism a lot more and racism has always been around. You might have a point though because most of my brother's racist experiences have been from the 2010s, barely any at all from the 2000s. Come to think of it, the 2000s might be the least racist decade ever. I kind of think the Trump administration and the alt-right has really aggravated racism in the past 4/5 years. I felt there was some degree of unique racism or bigotry during late Y2k era to the mid 2000s that came from the conservatism and the reaction to it from that era. I don't think it was as targed to african africans as much as to other groups such as middle easterners or people perceived to be as such after 9/11, mexicans, and also various groups of whites as well, a form of reverse racism. I think there may have been other kinds of stronger racism in 80s and some increase of bigoted attitudes in the late 10s with Trump and the alt right. I think it might just continue dissolving, since it was more of flash in the pan type thing. Yeah, the racism of the Trump era definitely hit a peak in 2017 and started declining after the Charlottseville incident. The 2000s definitely had a bit of racism (especially towards middle easterners) but, the racism overall was so mild compared to other decades. I feel like the 80s was the first decade to be mostly modern in terms of racism, despite probably being worse than now but, they were definitely an improvement compared to the 60s/70s. Racism has definitely gotten more attention again in 2020 and probably a bit worse than 2019 (which looks like an amazing year in comparison).
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Post by slashpop on Oct 2, 2020 3:40:31 GMT 10
I felt there was some degree of unique racism or bigotry during late Y2k era to the mid 2000s that came from the conservatism and the reaction to it from that era. I don't think it was as targed to african africans as much as to other groups such as middle easterners or people perceived to be as such after 9/11, mexicans, and also various groups of whites as well, a form of reverse racism. I think there may have been other kinds of stronger racism in 80s and some increase of bigoted attitudes in the late 10s with Trump and the alt right. I think it might just continue dissolving, since it was more of flash in the pan type thing. Yeah, the racism of the Trump era definitely hit a peak in 2017 and started declining after the Charlottseville incident. The 2000s definitely had a bit of racism (especially towards middle easterners) but, the racism overall was so mild compared to other decades. I feel like the 80s was the first decade to be mostly modern in terms of racism, despite probably being worse than now but, they were definitely an improvement compared to the 60s/70s. Racism has definitely gotten more attention again in 2020 and probably a bit worse than 2019 (which looks like an amazing year in comparison). Yeah that makes sense. I would say for the 2012-2015/6 felt generally a bit less bigoted compared to surrounding eras and 1998-2000 the same.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 14:43:31 GMT 10
No, after the George Floyd protests I feel like things improved a lot. It was getting worse for Asians in the early part of the year but that subsided.
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Post by crystalmetheny0428 on Jun 5, 2022 10:58:32 GMT 10
i definitely think racial tension is getting worse, and i think this is due in part to the woke culture we’re living in
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Post by carcar on Jun 16, 2022 17:09:22 GMT 10
I think it's changing in nature perhaps rather than getting worse. Internet extremism seems to be making people more volatile and race has become an easy target. That's of course not to dismiss its existence or as something worth discussing. But it's probably the most sensitive topic in American history/our political sphere, and very easy to stir up emotions about. I'm not sure I feel the white racism is just that as much as I feel it's harassment. Especially when it's white on white, and a lot of it is. It's more something that exists online rather than being systematic in real life, outside maybe certain circles. There's a level of this I relate to people simply trying to antagonize each other.
Anyway what I guess I really feel like is getting worse is people's rage and malcontent. Some of it's clearly righteous, some of it is subjective. I think a key thing to remember is that we have only had a communication platform this wide for vaguely a decade. It's not just about our societal issues anymore, but uncensored human emotions under pressure. We're seeing a side of people that has never been documented so well before. The reason why I'm concerned about the white racism on the left (especially when it's from non-white people) is because it has a huge potential to trigger actual white supremacists who feel like they are being attacked. Now to be fair, white supremacists have always felt like they were being attacked for being white even before politics became more divisive. But when you have non-white people tweeting stuff about white people that would otherwise get them fired from their job if they were white tweeting the same thing about any other minority group, and when you tell white people to stop being fragile, you're going to get a lot of the David Dukes on the far right who will become even more hostile to racial minorities. I mean, why do you think there's a drastic increase in leftism lately? It's because of Trump. And Trump is loud and vocal against leftism. It's two extremes reacting to one another. That’s not exactly true white supremacists believe in white supremacy over other races it’s literally on they’re name. It doesn’t matter if they’re attacked personally or not they just believe in the inferiority of non white people. What’s happening now is we can document racist incidents against non white people in this country better then we ever could. I personally don’t care I about being on the left or right side I just want racism to end. And half the times it feels like the alt right wants just to get away with it like they used to. White on white racism isn’t really a thing, white people or people of European descent don’t just attack each other for being white. They’ll attack each other over things like religion(Christian or Jewish), ethnicity(anglos vs Irish/Italian/Spanish), gender or sexual orientation but never they’re race in that they’re all considered white.
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