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Post by Telso on Nov 3, 2020 0:54:05 GMT 10
1986 is definitely not a quintessential year of the mid-1980s. If anything, it's a transitional year towards the late 1980s which how much music started to change, MTV losing its initial spark, home video games exploding in popularity again after the '83 krash and hip hop culture starting to enter the mainstream consciousness. Either 1984 or 1985 are far better choices to represent the mid-80s (though I personally like to pick 1984 since it was THE year of MTV).
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 3, 2020 15:45:23 GMT 10
Hip Hop still wasn't a very big presence in the top 40 though, if you look at the billboard hot 100. I would say around 1988 (maybe late 1987) is when hip hop became legit popular and by late 1990 is when it started to dominate popular culture.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 19:27:48 GMT 10
Hip Hop still wasn't a very big presence in the top 40 though, if you look at the billboard hot 100. I would say around 1988 (maybe late 1987) is when hip hop became legit popular and by late 1990 is when it started to dominate popular culture. A lot of the music from the year 1990 gives me a cheesy, old school hip hop vibe like “Can’t touch this.”
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Post by daywatch on Nov 3, 2020 20:10:10 GMT 10
IMO 1981 was the start of 80's culture with 1989 being the last year 80's culture was dominant.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 3, 2020 22:38:20 GMT 10
Hip Hop still wasn't a very big presence in the top 40 though, if you look at the billboard hot 100. I would say around 1988 (maybe late 1987) is when hip hop became legit popular and by late 1990 is when it started to dominate popular culture. I agree I think by 1983-1985 the old school breakdancing era of hip hop had already entered the mainstream to some extent and 1986 was just a more mainstreamization of hip hop in general but it didn't really make spike in popularity until late 1987 and early 1988 when you had substantial amount of hits, much more pop culture infusion and yo MTV raps. I remember kids shows in 1989-1990 incorporating raps ex. super mario bros theme song and hit songs like do the bartman and tons of ads. You would also see a ton of music videos on MTV throughout 1988-mid 1990 even if they weren't top songs. I feel like the late 1990 to mid 1992, the groups were mostly the same as earlier, possibly a bit bigger but I think late 1992-1993 as whole it when it started to truly dominate popular culture and started to influence things outside of the hip hop subculture ex. skateboarding and eurodance incorperating hip hop more often, it was also more diversified, an argument for late 1993 or 1995 can also be made.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 3, 2020 22:55:43 GMT 10
Hip Hop still wasn't a very big presence in the top 40 though, if you look at the billboard hot 100. I would say around 1988 (maybe late 1987) is when hip hop became legit popular and by late 1990 is when it started to dominate popular culture. A lot of the music from the year 1990 gives me a cheesy, old school hip hop vibe like “Can’t touch this.” Well, what really changed in 1990 was the popularity of Hip Hop. In late 1990, for the first time, hip hop songs were hitting number one on the charts and it was clear that hip hop was now a dominant force in popular culture (this was gradually happening between late 1987 - mid 1990 though). Stylistically though, late 1990 was still quite similar to the late 80s. Hip Hop never started to clearly head in a new stylistic direction until late 1992 as slashpop has stated.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 3, 2020 23:05:14 GMT 10
Hip Hop still wasn't a very big presence in the top 40 though, if you look at the billboard hot 100. I would say around 1988 (maybe late 1987) is when hip hop became legit popular and by late 1990 is when it started to dominate popular culture. I agree I think by 1983-1985 the old school breakdancing era of hip hop had already entered the mainstream to some extent and 1986 was just a more mainstreamization of hip hop in general but it didn't really make spike in popularity until late 1987 and early 1988 when you had substantial amount of hits, much more pop culture infusion and yo MTV raps. I remember kids shows in 1989-1990 incorporating raps ex. super mario bros theme song and hit songs like do the bartman and tons of ads. You would also see a ton of music videos on MTV throughout 1988-mid 1990 even if they weren't top songs. I feel like the late 1990 to mid 1992, the groups were mostly the same as earlier, possibly a bit bigger but I think late 1992-1993 as whole it when it started to truly dominate popular culture and started to influence things outside of the hip hop subculture ex. skateboarding and eurodance incorperating hip hop more often, it was also more diversified, an argument for late 1993 or 1995 can also be made. Agreed, the early 90s hip hop didn't actually sound too different from the late 80s stuff, the popularity of hip hop was just on an even bigger level in the early 90s. When I look back, I don't really notice hip hop culture being that apparent until late 1987/1988. Despite hip hop having a bit more mainstream attention in 1986 (compared to say 84), it still didn't have much of a presence on the culture of the time. Also, is it me but, I notice that hip hop in late 1987 was going in a different direction (think Rakim), compared to the more rock inspired rap songs you would hear in 1986 (think Run DMC), this style did leak a little bit into 1988/89 though.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 4, 2020 0:49:58 GMT 10
I agree I think by 1983-1985 the old school breakdancing era of hip hop had already entered the mainstream to some extent and 1986 was just a more mainstreamization of hip hop in general but it didn't really make spike in popularity until late 1987 and early 1988 when you had substantial amount of hits, much more pop culture infusion and yo MTV raps. I remember kids shows in 1989-1990 incorporating raps ex. super mario bros theme song and hit songs like do the bartman and tons of ads. You would also see a ton of music videos on MTV throughout 1988-mid 1990 even if they weren't top songs. I feel like the late 1990 to mid 1992, the groups were mostly the same as earlier, possibly a bit bigger but I think late 1992-1993 as whole it when it started to truly dominate popular culture and started to influence things outside of the hip hop subculture ex. skateboarding and eurodance incorperating hip hop more often, it was also more diversified, an argument for late 1993 or 1995 can also be made. Agreed, the early 90s hip hop didn't actually sound too different from the late 80s stuff, the popularity of hip hop was just on an even bigger level in the early 90s. When I look back, I don't really notice hip hop culture being that apparent until late 1987/1988. Despite hip hop having a bit more mainstream attention in 1986 (compared to say 84), it still didn't have much of a presence on the culture of the time. Also, is it me but, I notice that hip hop in late 1987 was going in a different direction (think Rakim), compared to the more rock inspired rap songs you would hear in 1986 (think Run DMC), this style did leak a little bit into 1988/89 though. Yeah the sound of late 87-88 was starting in late 1986 with Boogie Down Productions, Eric B and Rakim, Mantroix, Cool Moe Dee, Just Ice, 2 Live Crew, and Public Enemy even NWA but was still kind of an old school 1984 vibe going on where breakdancing, beastie boys, Run DMC and other groups were sort of the central style. I think LL Cool J was kind of a transition between the two eras tbh. His 1985 album even had a number sounds that would fit into the 1987-1988 style 1987-1988 was when the late 86 sound was in full swing but you still had some core 80s style left like the Fat Boys and Run DMC still pretty popular. Here's a mad magazine cover from April 1988 parodying hip hop: 
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Post by mc98 on Nov 4, 2020 1:08:32 GMT 10
I think mid-late 1981 would be a good starting point of the cultural 80s and ended around 1989. To me, late 1989/1990 felt like the 80s were dying.
70s/80s mix: Fall 1979 - Spring 1981
Dominant early 80s: Summer 1981 - Summer 1983
Early/mid 80s mix: Fall 1983 - Summer 1984
Dominant mid 80s: Fall 1984 - Winter 1985/86
Mid/late 80s mix: Spring 1986 - Winter 87/88
Dominant late 80s: Spring 1988 - Summer 1989
80s/90s mix: Late 1989 - Summer 1990
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Post by daywatch on Nov 4, 2020 7:40:29 GMT 10
I think mid-late 1981 would be a good starting point of the cultural 80s and ended around 1989. To me, late 1989/1990 felt like the 80s were dying. 70s/80s mix: Fall 1979 - Spring 1981 Dominant early 80s: Summer 1981 - Summer 1983 Early/mid 80s mix: Fall 1983 - Summer 1984 Dominant mid 80s: Fall 1984 - Winter 1985/86 Mid/late 80s mix: Spring 1986 - Winter 87/88 Dominant late 80s: Spring 1988 - Summer 1989 80s/90s mix: Late 1989 - Summer 1990 I agree with pegging the cultural start of the early 1980s in mid-late 1981 as that's around the time MTV came out. Plus Ronald Reagan was inaugurated in early 1981. Everything else I'm with you on. Not to mention the new wave artists debuting/getting popular (Duran Duran, Depeche Mode etc.)
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 4, 2020 11:07:31 GMT 10
I think I have made up my mind here. My main difficulty was putting fall 1989 - Summer 1990 with the late 80s. I was also quite conflicted whether 1983 is more early 80s or mid but, I just ended up putting it in the early 80s. Everything else, I am pretty confident with though. Btw, I don't like doing transition eras, that's why I always leave them out.
Early 1980s: Winter 1979/80 - Fall 1983
Mid 1980s: Winter 1983/84 - Summer 1987
Late 1980s: Fall 1987 - Summer 1990
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Post by slashpop on Nov 4, 2020 19:50:37 GMT 10
Mid 1978: Direction is pointed towards the 80s
Fall 1978 to Summer 1980: Official transition towards the 1980s
Fall 1980 to Spring 1981: Nearly officially early 80s but 70s influence is strong
Summer of 1981 to Spring 1983: Pure early 1980s
Summer of 1983 to Summer of 1984: Early 80s with modified mid 80s elements
Fall of 1984 to Spring 1986: Pure mid 1980s
Late Spring/Summer 1986 to Summer 1987: Mid 80s but with modified late 80s elements
Fall of 1987 to Early Summer 1988: Late 80s with mid 80s elements
Late Summer 1988 to Early Summer 1989: Pure late 80s
Late Summer 1989 to Summer 1990: 90s are overtaking the 80s
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Post by astropoug on Jul 14, 2021 14:31:42 GMT 10
I think mid-late 1981 would be a good starting point of the cultural 80s and ended around 1989. To me, late 1989/1990 felt like the 80s were dying. 70s/80s mix: Fall 1979 - Spring 1981 Dominant early 80s: Summer 1981 - Summer 1983 Early/mid 80s mix: Fall 1983 - Summer 1984 Dominant mid 80s: Fall 1984 - Winter 1985/86 Mid/late 80s mix: Spring 1986 - Winter 87/88 Dominant late 80s: Spring 1988 - Summer 1989 80s/90s mix: Late 1989 - Summer 1990 Late 1989 definitely seemed to have some 90s elements coming up, like the Sega Genesis launch, the start of the Disney Renaissance with The Little Mermaid, and of course, the fall of the Berlin Wall. I think by this point, 90s culture was starting to seep in, and it would only get more apparent as we moved into the 90s.
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Post by John Titor on Dec 5, 2021 14:28:59 GMT 10
Late 80s is my favorite era of the 80s
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Post by 10slover on Dec 5, 2021 23:04:28 GMT 10
Any of y'all actually vividly remember the 80s?
Because otherwise this thread is quite useless.
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