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Post by slashpop on Nov 17, 2020 23:13:49 GMT 10
Fall of 1984 to Summer 1985 ( or fall 1985) is mid 80s year but is it leaning to late 1980s (mid or late 1986-early 1989) or early 1980s ( mid 1981-1983/1984) or neither I would say it is almost entirely or even fully a mid 1980s year but just slightly leans late 80s -70s influence is entirely gone -1979-1982 is dated -Atari style games are dead -Apple mactinosh surge in popularity due to being user friendly and compact. - Release of Atari St and Amiga 1000 ( 16 bit computers) by summer 1985 - Owning computers and pc gaming becomes more of thing. -New tech or product design starts to feel closer to 1988 -Nes is released in October 1985 in limited distribution after being showcased in different stages at electronics shows in Jan and June 85 and saves the video game industry -Super Mario slowly starts becoming a household name later that year even though nes would have a nation wide release in 1986. -Cds start to take off even if they don't replace tapes and records and are a limited amount but they are are more visible than 82-83/84 and there is more promotion of discmans -The fashion overlap between late 1986-early 1988 more visible than earlier. Start seeing more color palettes and designs and hi top fades that would peak a bit later. Numbers of big hits like this start to have a feel leaning to late 1986-early 1988: Hip Hop look LL Cool J (Radio album) and Beastie Boys early singles have a sound somewhat leaning to the latter 80s (1987/88ish) rather than the earlier. Schooly D and Ice T are releasing very early gangsta rap underground singles. Movies like krush groove and rappin' are exposing hip hop to the mainstream a bit more. Rappin' movie promo pic from 1985 ( wouldn't feel out of place in 1987)  Alternative rock, early house music are actually properly established as new music genres even though not exactly mainstream and recognized enough yet like a few years later Hardcore punk, new wave, post punk, traditional heavy metal and new romantic are losing steam and being slowing replaced with indie rock, crust, post-hardcore, industrial, glam and thrash and death metal. Movies like Back to Future, Goonies, Platoon (filmed in 1985), Ghostbusters, Pee Wee's Playhouse, Beverly Hills Cop, Ferris Buller's Day Off ( Filmed in mid 1985), Never Ending Story, Nightmare on Elm Street all would not be out of place in 1986-early 1988 or even to some extent 1988/1989. What are your thoughts on this?
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Post by slashpop on Nov 18, 2020 6:38:57 GMT 10
Nes ad from 1984 :  Even arcade games like 1942, punch out, commando, bomb jack, ghosts n goblins, rush n attack etc were sort of the beginning of new era of games that would remain popular in the late 80s early 90s including these titles.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 18, 2020 7:13:43 GMT 10
LOL NES stole apples advertising
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Post by y2kbaby on Nov 18, 2020 9:36:30 GMT 10
Ill say neither. The 70s influence was entirely gone but at the same time there are no traces of 90s influence yet. Once 1984 stepped into the picture, the 80s came into force.
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Post by mc98 on Nov 18, 2020 10:25:18 GMT 10
1984-1985 does feel more closer to the late 80s than early for sure. However, I'm with the person above that there are absolutely zero 90s influence in that period, same thing with the 70s.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 18, 2020 15:18:04 GMT 10
1984-1985 does feel more closer to the late 80s than early for sure. However, I'm with the person above that there are absolutely zero 90s influence in that period, same thing with the 70s. Well it seems to be like year 1 for things freestyle, alternative rock, pop rap, house, late 80s/early 90s gaming, mid and core 80s stereotypical fashion which would have still have some influence and relevance in 1990-early to mid 1992. 1983/1984: - Mid 80s culture still has not completely overtaken all of the early 80s culture - Many 70s aspects still visible - Atari is dying but not dead yet despite a crash or incoming crash. Games still somewhat popular - 1979 to 1981 is not entirely dated - Not enough connections with the late 80s, even if there a few by 1983
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Post by slashpop on Nov 18, 2020 17:56:33 GMT 10
LOL NES stole apples advertising True lol.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 18, 2020 20:13:37 GMT 10
IMO most of 1984 looks early 1980s with 1970s influence. Fall 1984 is when the mid 1980s came. Summer 1984 seems like the last gasp or phase of early 1980s culture. IMO early 1980s culture lasts from fall 1981-summer 1984. By spring 1984, the core 1980s began. I'd say the 1984-1985 school year leans early 1980s & the 1985-1986 school year leans late 1980s. I almost entirely agree but I think if you look close enough and understand more of the connections between the two eras, you'll see there are quite a few things that point 1984/1985 just slightly towards a year like 1986-1987 and 1987-1988. A lot of big franchises crossed over between the two periods. Ghostbusters in 1984 lead to the real ghostbusters in 1986, ninja turles comics started in 1984 and lead to RPG game in 1985 and pitching the toys in 1986 which lead to a show in 1987, thundercats cartoon started in early 1985 lasted until the late 80s, transformers cartoon and toys take off in late 1984 was still big in the late 80s, my little pony cartoon started...etc Also mainstream comics get slightly more visibly darker and more detailed in a way around this time, even though technically this dates a bit back and depends on the genre, series or artist. This is opposed to the more cookie cutter 70s look you'd see a bit earlier in like 1982 or so, in the late 80s to the mid 90s dark themed comics were in full swing   Computer gaming (dos, commodore 64, amiga, and atari st) officially replace Atari and intellvisions and that kind stuff even before everyone had a nes. Also the arcade games mentioned were literally mega popular all throughout 1986-1991 on the nes when you could finally play them and arcades.
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Post by daywatch on Nov 18, 2020 21:03:29 GMT 10
I almost entirely agree but I think if you look close enough and understand more of the connections between the two eras, you'll see there are quite a few things that point 1984/1985 just slightly towards a year like 1986-1987 and 1987-1988. A lot of big franchises crossed over between the two periods. Ghostbusters in 1984 lead to the real ghostbusters in 1986, ninja turles comics started in 1984 and lead to RPG game in 1985 and pitching the toys in 1986 which lead to a show in 1987, thundercats cartoon started in early 1985 lasted until the late 80s, transformers cartoon and toys take off in late 1984 was still big in the late 80s, my little pony cartoon started...etc Also mainstream comics get slightly more visibly darker and more detailed in a way around this time, even though technically this dates a bit back and depends on the genre, series or artist. This is opposed to the more cookie cutter 70s look you'd see a bit earlier in like 1982 or so, in the late 80s to the mid 90s dark themed comics were in full swing Computer gaming (dos, commodore 64, amiga, and atari st) officially replace Atari and intellvisions and that kind stuff even before everyone had a nes. Also the arcade games mentioned were literally mega popular all throughout 1986-1991 on the nes when you could finally play them and arcades. You're right. U know more since u lived thru the 1980s. The 1st full decade I lived thru was the 2000s. I admit that I glossed over the 1984-1985 school year without looking @ the details. Like u said, some pop culture in 1984-1985 school year were relevant through the rest of the 1980s, arguably into the early 1990s. Some pop culture that made it's debut in the 1984-1985 school year could pass in the late 1980s-early 1990s & I wouldn't notice. Some TV shows that began in 1984 or 1985 lasted into the early 1990s. An example I thought of was music artists. Michael Jackson was huge in the 1980s, as well as the early 1990s. I doubt that the 1983-1984 school year had connections 2 the late 1980s since it was cultural early 1980s with tons of 1970s influences. I think the 1983-1984 school year was the last hurrah of 1970s influences. What "70's influences" were still around by then? I personally consider 1982-83 to be the transition from early 80's culture into core 80's culture, there were even some core 80's influences in 1981-82.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 19, 2020 22:53:28 GMT 10
What "70's influences" were still around by then? I personally consider 1983-84 to be the transition from early 80's culture into mid 80's culture, there were even some mid 80's influences in 1982-83 (debut of Cheers and Family Ties, Lionel Richie, Madonna, heavy metal/glam rock fashion going mainstream etc.) Maybe I was thinking of shows like Happy Days, Jefferson’s, House on the Prairie. A lot of quintessential 80s shows debuted in the 1982-1983 school year. You're right. I think we all agreed earlier the strongest 70s holdovers didn't make it past early 1981 for the most part. Everyday casual fashion from 1983-1984 still had late 70s influences ( feathered and overly parted hair, slightly bell bottomish jeans, 70s color palette) you can see this movies, random things, film, overall atmosphere from books etc . Music and overall atmosphere had an aesthetic continuation of 1981/1982 as did overall atmosphere, but it was clearly modified with some solid and substanial mid 80s elements, unlike earlier, but not enough to completely remove or overshadow everything else. Madonna in 1981-1983 was stereotypically early 80s madonna. She was just more commerical in 1984 and partially looking a bit more mid 80s, but there isn't this strict dividing line at this stage, I see this a transition but still leaning a bit more early 80s at the core. Thing is the entirely of mid to late 1981 to mid 1984 had incoming mid and core 80s elements, that's what makes it the proper early 80s as opposed to earlier.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 24, 2020 9:59:06 GMT 10
I don't really know, 1984 as a whole was definitely closer to the early 80s than the late 80s. 1985 doesn't really lean towards either though.
Also, early/mid 1987 wasn't even that different from the mid 80s anyway. Late 87 is when things started to change a bit, rise of New Jack Swing, more muted fashion, Hip Hop was truly kicking off in terms of popularity, the NES kicked off a bit in sales (still no where near as common as it was from 1989 - 1991) and probably more stuff too.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 24, 2020 20:00:03 GMT 10
I don't really know, 1984 as a whole was definitely closer to the early 80s than the late 80s. 1985 doesn't really lean towards either though. Also, early/mid 1987 wasn't even that different from the mid 80s anyway. Late 87 is when things started to change a bit, rise of New Jack Swing, more muted fashion, Hip Hop was truly kicking off in terms of popularity, the NES kicked off a bit in sales (still no where near as common as it was from 1989 - 1991) and probably more stuff too. Yeah but you had a lot of things that overlap with the late 80s in 1984 compared to earlier, I would say 1984-1985 is the first to have some small degree of incoming late 80s elements, I used to think this was 1983-1984 but it wasn’t enough then. I provided some examples earlier. A lot of what would become the late 80s started building up from 1984-1985 and to a lesser extent late 1983.
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