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Post by fusefan on Apr 13, 2021 12:14:13 GMT 10
What’s closer to 1981? 1961 or 2001?
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 13, 2021 14:22:49 GMT 10
What’s closer to 1981? 1961 or 2001? I would actually say 1961. (Unpopular opinion probably).
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 14, 2021 0:42:49 GMT 10
Overall, 2001. I was originally thinking 1961, but SO MUCH has changed between 1961 and 1981 compared to 1981 and 2001 that it can no way be the same era. 1981 and 2001 could possibly be in the same era though.
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Post by rainbow on Apr 14, 2021 0:47:40 GMT 10
Probably 2001, since both color television was already the norm by 1981 and 2001.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 14, 2021 1:04:06 GMT 10
It depends on what you're looking at, socially, 1981 is much closer to 2001 but, the technology is far closer to 1961.
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Post by slashpop on Apr 14, 2021 1:20:16 GMT 10
It depends on what you're looking at, socially, 1981 is much closer to 2001 but, the technology is far closer to 1961. I would say the technology was far closer to 1988-1994 than the 1960s to 1975 with desktop computers in the beginning stages of starting to become common , unlike 1974-1980 and even if it’s not like 1984-1996, computers were actually more common at school and offices, modems and going online from your home a possibility, video games being at the forefront of pop culture, with innovative compact microcomputers like the zx spectrum in the Uk and other operating systems worldwide like dos lasting into the early to mid 90s. TVs bought in the early 80s were largely still used in 1988-1994. Tech in 1981 isn’t thaat different from 1983-1988 either except maybe more use of wood.
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Post by mc98 on Apr 14, 2021 1:56:50 GMT 10
It’s kinda mixed tbh. The fashion and music of 1981 is much closer to 2001 than 1961 though.
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Post by Captain Nemo on Apr 14, 2021 5:15:32 GMT 10
Definitely 2001.
It was after the Sexual Revolution, after the Civil Rights Act, color television was standard, cable television was readily available, push-button phones were already replacing rotary phones, video games on both consoles and PCs were already out, the music industry was already modernized, and MTV was released that year.
Also, it's important to remember that 2001 was not all that technologically advanced compared to today, it was still a very physical-media oriented world.
If you were to compare 1986 to 1961 and 2011, it would be a much closer and more interesting comparison, since 2011 was a much more technologically advanced world, closer to 2021 than 2001.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 14, 2021 10:20:51 GMT 10
It depends on what you're looking at, socially, 1981 is much closer to 2001 but, the technology is far closer to 1961. I would say the technology was far closer to 1988-1994 than the 1960s to 1975 with desktop computers in the beginning stages of starting to become common , unlike 1974-1980 and even if it’s not like 1984-1996, computers were actually more common at school and offices, modems and going online from your home a possibility, video games being at the forefront of pop culture, with innovative compact microcomputers like the zx spectrum in the Uk and other operating systems worldwide like dos lasting into the early to mid 90s. TVs bought in the early 80s were largely still used in 1988-1994. Tech in 1981 isn’t thaat different from 1983-1988 either except maybe more use of wood. Despite that, statistically workplaces were still dominated by type writers, the internet wasn't really a thing yet, not even 5% of homes had a computer, no cell phones, cable TV was only just taking off (and most people didn't even have that yet), VCRs weren't even that common in homes yet (it took off more around the mid 1980s if you look at sales numbers), cordless landlines and caller ID wasn't even a thing yet, Vinyl Records dominated the music industry still (just like how they did in 1961). Despite color TV sets being the standard, most TV sets that people had, had no remote and only mono sound, most tech that people had was designed to look like furniture still. The way that cars performed was more like 1961 (considering how unreliable they still were in 1981, 1981 is also before Japan started dominating the vehicle industry). I doubt even 10% of the US population knew about the internet in 1981 (considering only 1% was using it in 1990). The only ways the tech of 1981 is closer to 2001, is video games were a very popular thing in 1981, color TVs were standard, stereo sound common in record players, personal computers actually being around, color photography was more common, rise of FM radio, credit card, ATM machines and I guess the presence of audio cassettes after the walkman was released (they still didn't dominate the music industry until 1983).
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Post by slashpop on Apr 14, 2021 12:14:47 GMT 10
I would say the technology was far closer to 1988-1994 than the 1960s to 1975 with desktop computers in the beginning stages of starting to become common , unlike 1974-1980 and even if it’s not like 1984-1996, computers were actually more common at school and offices, modems and going online from your home a possibility, video games being at the forefront of pop culture, with innovative compact microcomputers like the zx spectrum in the Uk and other operating systems worldwide like dos lasting into the early to mid 90s. TVs bought in the early 80s were largely still used in 1988-1994. Tech in 1981 isn’t thaat different from 1983-1988 either except maybe more use of wood. Despite that, statistically workplaces were still dominated by type writers, the internet wasn't really a thing yet, not even 5% of homes had a computer, no cell phones, cable TV was only just taking off (and most people didn't even have that yet), VCRs weren't even that common in homes yet (it took off more around the mid 1980s if you look at sales numbers), cordless landlines and caller ID wasn't even a thing yet, Vinyl Records dominated the music industry still (just like how they did in 1961). Despite color TV sets being the standard, most TV sets that people had, had no remote and only mono sound, most tech that people had was designed to look like furniture still. The way that cars performed was more like 1961 (considering how unreliable they still were in 1981, 1981 is also before Japan started dominating the vehicle industry). I doubt even 10% of the US population knew about the internet in 1981 (considering only 1% was using it in 1990). The only ways the tech of 1981 is closer to 2001, is video games were a very popular thing in 1981, color TVs were standard, stereo sound common in record players, personal computers actually being around, color photography was more common, rise of FM radio, credit card, ATM machines and I guess the presence of audio cassettes after the walkman was released (they still didn't dominate the music industry until 1983). I’m not sure if this entirely accounts for everyplace in western Europe and bigger cities across the US which are a more of measure of tech trends. Also I never mentioned that they were fully overtaken by the tech that I mentioned. Also there is misconception that people have that 1981 is the semi or even mostly 70s when it is closer overall, like 1982 to 1983 and 1984. This is the first proper year workplaces and school were finally adopting more computers with the breakthrough of explosion of personal computer. Bigger companies and places clearly used ibm personal computers and similar ones by 1981. TVs from around 1979 onwards were looking closer to 1983-1984 tech. Having 1 in out of 10-12 people owning computer, no VCRs, cable tv with 10 or so channels, basic phones were all early 80s things and to some extent early to mid 80s things. Internet didn’t exist until 1991. Pre Internet Modems and online connectivity through BBS and Usenet was picking up around 1979 growing in popularity in 1981 that would increase in popularity, among a limited range of computers users (never said it was mainstream) , around 1983-1993. Look at movies like War Games. Point being it’s also about the technology existing as an option and influences and increase in usage in technical jobs using online connectivity existing rather just the percentage of casual usage. Vinyl was popular all the way to 1985-1987 and to some extent late 1987 to early 1991. There was a very limited range of cds prior to 1987-1988 and tapes never overtook vinyl or cds. Walkmans came out in 1979 and were defiantly the in thing to get and massive in1981 even if not everyone owned them like they did in 1986. Tapes and mixtaping was already big in the 70s and increasingly popular. Most of 1981 is part of the same era as 1983 maybe early 1984. While classic arcade games were at their peak. Micro computers like the Vic 20 and zx spectrum were the latest gaming and muitipurpose computers that that would start to get popular and pave the way for the replacement of classic Atari style console games after the crash of 1983. There was a shift in mid 1981 that further solidified that connection even though mid 1978-early 1981 isn’t completly removed from the world of 1981-1983/84.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 14, 2021 14:01:31 GMT 10
Despite that, statistically workplaces were still dominated by type writers, the internet wasn't really a thing yet, not even 5% of homes had a computer, no cell phones, cable TV was only just taking off (and most people didn't even have that yet), VCRs weren't even that common in homes yet (it took off more around the mid 1980s if you look at sales numbers), cordless landlines and caller ID wasn't even a thing yet, Vinyl Records dominated the music industry still (just like how they did in 1961). Despite color TV sets being the standard, most TV sets that people had, had no remote and only mono sound, most tech that people had was designed to look like furniture still. The way that cars performed was more like 1961 (considering how unreliable they still were in 1981, 1981 is also before Japan started dominating the vehicle industry). I doubt even 10% of the US population knew about the internet in 1981 (considering only 1% was using it in 1990). The only ways the tech of 1981 is closer to 2001, is video games were a very popular thing in 1981, color TVs were standard, stereo sound common in record players, personal computers actually being around, color photography was more common, rise of FM radio, credit card, ATM machines and I guess the presence of audio cassettes after the walkman was released (they still didn't dominate the music industry until 1983). I’m not sure if this entirely accounts for everyplace in western Europe and bigger cities across the US which are a more of measure of tech trends. Also I never mentioned that they were fully overtaken by the tech that I mentioned. Also there is misconception that people have that 1981 is the semi or even mostly 70s when it is closer overall, like 1982 to 1983 and 1984. This is the first proper year workplaces and school were finally adopting more computers with the breakthrough of explosion of personal computer. Bigger companies and places clearly used ibm personal computers and similar ones by 1981. TVs from around 1979 onwards were looking closer to 1983-1984 tech. Having 1 in out of 10-12 people owning computer, no VCRs, cable tv with 10 or so channels, basic phones were all early 80s things and to some extent early to mid 80s things. Internet didn’t exist until 1991. Pre Internet Modems and online connectivity through BBS and Usenet was picking up around 1979 growing in popularity in 1981 that would increase in popularity, among a limited range of computers users (never said it was mainstream) , around 1983-1993. Look at movies like War Games. Point being it’s also about the technology existing as an option and influences and increase in usage in technical jobs using online connectivity existing rather just the percentage of casual usage. Vinyl was popular all the way to 1985-1987 and to some extent late 1987 to early 1991. There was a very limited range of cds prior to 1987-1988 and tapes never overtook vinyl or cds. Walkmans came out in 1979 and were defiantly the in thing to get and massive in1981 even if not everyone owned them like they did in 1986. Tapes and mixtaping was already big in the 70s and increasingly popular. Most of 1981 is part of the same era as 1983 maybe early 1984. While classic arcade games were at their peak. Micro computers like the Vic 20 and zx spectrum were the latest gaming and muitipurpose computers that that would start to get popular and pave the way for the replacement of classic Atari style console games after the crash of 1983. There was a shift in mid 1981 that further solidified that connection even though mid 1978-early 1981 isn’t completly removed from the world of 1981-1983/84. I consider 25%-30% home adoption as when something becomes popular/common (this also considers that big cities have taken up the vast majority of the US & UK population since the early 20th century). However, I do agree that most people were absolutely familiar with computers and had probably used one before in 1981. Also, I do agree that 1981 is definitely in the same as era as 1983 (mid/late 1984 was noticable different though). Also, I'm pretty sure micro computers were most successful in the UK (their peak was more 1982/83 - 1987), my dad used to have a commodore 64. The UK was quite ahead in the 80s actually, VCRs were already very common in homes there by 1984. Also, I change my mind, I think 1981 is equally as distant from 1961 and 2001. The 60s were too huge of a social and cultural change come to think of it but, technology saw a much bigger jump between 1981 and 2001 and there was plenty of cultural changes between then too. Though, most of the cultural and social changes that happened in the 60s only impacted western countries such as the US.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 16, 2021 9:48:09 GMT 10
Definitely 2001. It was after the Sexual Revolution, after the Civil Rights Act, color television was standard, cable television was readily available, push-button phones were already replacing rotary phones, video games on both consoles and PCs were already out, the music industry was already modernized, and MTV was released that year. Also, it's important to remember that 2001 was not all that technologically advanced compared to today, it was still a very physical-media oriented world. If you were to compare 1986 to 1961 and 2011, it would be a much closer and more interesting comparison, since 2011 was a much more technologically advanced world, closer to 2021 than 2001. That's a great description. I agree with that. 1986 and 1961 vs. 2011 would be much more interesting.
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Post by fusefan on May 9, 2021 14:23:28 GMT 10
Nice to see my post in the 2001: closer to 1981 or 2021 post is it’s own thread! 😂
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