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Post by astropoug on Apr 5, 2022 9:24:29 GMT 10
What is 90s about 2002 exactly? By that point, DVDs had become popular, SpongeBob was huge and it’s prime, everybody was playing 6th Gen consoles, web culture like Newgrounds and Homestar Runner was a thing, and it was after 9/11. I just feel like 2002 was a pop culture limbo in a way. I think of 2002 as the first full-fledged 2000s year after all the chaos that happened at the end of 2001. It was when DVDs overtook VHS tapes, Windows XP was rapidly growing in popularity, people were playing 6th Gen consoles like the PS2, OG Xbox, and GameCube, the start of the Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, SpongeBob became a pop culture phenomenon, and the reality of us living in a post-9/11 world were upon us. You couldn’t go anywhere without hearing people talk about terrorists, Osama Bin Laden, the Middle East. Islamophobia was unfortunately quite common. And people had positive opinions on George Bush.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 5, 2022 9:26:40 GMT 10
No need to hurl insults at for me showing the people of the forum the reality of you not remembering the 2000s correctly to make such a bold statement. Bestmvp said he was born after me and stated his take on the 2000s but you don't stalk him on every thread to try to provoke him. You're obsessed with me, go away. The reason why I screen capped that was because you are constantly promoting revisionist history about the 2000s despite have no memory of 01- early 06. So I posted it to let people know as a reminder that you don't remember that part of the 2000s before making bold statements. Because a ton of stuff you talked about was ripped right from Wikipedia and not even accurate lol, it's not even gate keeping or a fact of saying your opinion is wrong but literally some of your takes were borderline inaccurate information of history and could confuse a younger viewer reading the forum.
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Post by mc98 on Apr 5, 2022 9:34:33 GMT 10
Bestmvp said he was born after me and stated his take on the 2000s but you don't stalk him on every thread to try to provoke him. You're obsessed with me, go away. The reason why I screen capped that was because you are constantly promoting revisionist history about the 2000s despite have no memory of 01- early 06. So I posted it to let people know as a reminder that you don't remember that part of the 2000s before making bold statements. Because a ton of stuff you talked about was ripped right from Wikipedia and not even accurate lol, it's not even gate keeping or a fact of saying your opinion is wrong but literally some of your takes were borderline inaccurate information of history and could confuse a younger viewer reading the forum. Honestly, Turning Red has done way more damage to the image of the 2000s. I think we should be more angry at that.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 5, 2022 9:40:02 GMT 10
I just feel like 2002 was a pop culture limbo in a way. Yeah, while I do think 2002 was definitely in the classic 2000s category and peak early 2000s, it definitely felt like a pop culture limbo to a degree as most people would say the Y2K era ended by that time (or at the zeitgeist of it) but so many core, defining 2000s trends, events, or people didn't happen or blow up until at least 2003. Y2K's zeitgeist was dead by Fall 01, you did have some commercials from of the summer still using futuristic type faces but the main draw of Y2K was Teen Pop and that was over by the Fall ( Backstreet Boys had gone on hiatus, Britney and Christina had already gone on a mature Neptunes direction) and then you had 9/11 and the launch of Xbox and Gamecube as well as key players like Lord of The Rings, Harry Potter movies. The whole vibe seemed different, and commercials started displaying bling and more neutral fonts during advertisements. Y2K looking device in 03 like Sony Vaio desktops or Walkmans were not going to just vanish of the shelves, but the general "y2k vibe" died over the course of summer 2001. Might I add Dragon Ball Z declined in Fall 01 and Pokemon did in Fall 2000 (both Y2k Staples) with DBZ getting a tiny boost in Fall 02 when the Buu saga aired,but the fad was over by then. Also the Wrestling Monday night war which was at a apex during the Y2K era of WWF vs WCW ended in Spring 01 as well.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 5, 2022 9:45:54 GMT 10
The reason why I screen capped that was because you are constantly promoting revisionist history about the 2000s despite have no memory of 01- early 06. So I posted it to let people know as a reminder that you don't remember that part of the 2000s before making bold statements. Because a ton of stuff you talked about was ripped right from Wikipedia and not even accurate lol, it's not even gate keeping or a fact of saying your opinion is wrong but literally some of your takes were borderline inaccurate information of history and could confuse a younger viewer reading the forum. Honestly, Turning Red has done way more damage to the image of the 2000s. I think we should be more angry at that. We really should, it's going to confuse people who are younger of what the 2000s was actually like, I actually did watch Turning Red and I hated it with so many things it got wrong.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 5, 2022 9:46:54 GMT 10
I just feel like 2002 was a pop culture limbo in a way. I think of 2002 as the first full-fledged 2000s year after all the chaos that happened at the end of 2001. It was when DVDs overtook VHS tapes, Windows XP was rapidly growing in popularity, people were playing 6th Gen consoles like the PS2, OG Xbox, and GameCube, the start of the Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, SpongeBob became a pop culture phenomenon, and the reality of us living in a post-9/11 world were upon us. You couldn’t go anywhere without hearing people talk about terrorists, Osama Bin Laden, the Middle East. Islamophobia was unfortunately quite common. And people had positive opinions on George Bush. I would say late 01-02 school year felt like the 2000s "was here" to me atleast and this is when i was in the 8th grade, the year previously (00-01) year felt light years away.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 5, 2022 9:49:04 GMT 10
I will give you my take on this, it's a long one Classic 2000s : Fall 2001 - Spring 2006Despite shows like Malcolm and That 70s show being on the decline, the general atmosphere from Late 2001 and up was still present. 2006 was the peak of Myspace ( which is something included in the core 2000s) and Youtube did not take off until Summer 2006. Emo was still the biggest thing and was showing no signs of decline yet (before Spring 2006) Even tho Disney Teen Pop did pop it's head out it would not fully be felt until during the Summer 06 season. Disney did a ton of advertising with Mall tours and developing their artists fan bases up until Summer 06 and then you started seeing them get heavy promo. As far as Smackdown! the show fell off a cliff after 2003, and became a non event in 2004 and 2005 and even 2006. Only notable things were Eddie Guerrero Dominick Mysterio storyline, Kurt Angle unhinged storyline. The show was on a rapid decline at that point even before the time shift, in 2004 the show was plagued with stupid chracters like Luther Reigns, Mordecai and JBL. As for WWE Raw, they actually were on more cable systems when they switched back to USA from TNN/Spike TV. TNN at the time was not in as many homes as USA Network was. The stage change in 2005 was really not that big.The change was not as drastic as when they actually changed the Raw logo in late 2006. Also might I add Xbox 360 did make a huge splash when it came outbut it didn't really change the whole game yet, it didn't feel like things fully started with 7th gen until 2006, similar feeling with Sega Dreamcast debuting in 1999.
Modern 2000s : Late August 2006 - December 2009
Disney Teen pop was being blasted at full throttle at this time, During the 06-07 year we saw a HEAVY increase of Frutiger Aero in design interfaces, The end of The WB network and the birth of The CW. We also saw the birth of the Scene sub culture which would take over Emo in a few months time. We saw the launch of PS3 and Wii ( even if PS3 flopped until 2009 slim version) Windows Vista was a big shift, and not a good one, we also saw the release of the iphone this school year as well. Oh and Netflix made a big splash in early 2007 as well as Facebook getting popular. By the end of December 2007 it was clear a recession was coming and would have devastating effects to the economy, We also saw the rise of ElectroPop as the recession was happening in real time.I definitely like this take. And about WWE, another reason why 2006 should be considered modern 2000s is that Edge became the new #1 heel in the company as Triple H was transitioning into a tweener and then full on babyface by May when he reunited with HBK for their mid-late 2006 DX run. But yeah that's true. Monday Night Raw didn't have a significant change until the fall of that year with the new logo design, intro, and theme song, replacing the beloved Underground Nation song that defined the classic 00's Monday night programming. And also, legends such as Kurt Angle, Lita and Trish Stratus left the company and new stars such as CM Punk, Kelly Kelly, Layla, Cryme Tyme, and The Miz debuted on the main roster. 2006 is definitely in that gray area, along with 2005 with the cutoff for the classic 2000s but I think overall 2006 leans modern 2000s. But I think most of us would agree with late 2006 at least being on that modern 2000s end. From your timeline, it looks like the summer of 2006 would be the shift since that's in neither era. Yupp around August, things had this weird feeling like you could tell a change was just around the corner, like things felt normal but there was this strange ass looming shadow vibe, like what exactly was around the corner ? That is atleast how I felt.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 5, 2022 10:18:16 GMT 10
Yeah, while I do think 2002 was definitely in the classic 2000s category and peak early 2000s, it definitely felt like a pop culture limbo to a degree as most people would say the Y2K era ended by that time (or at the zeitgeist of it) but so many core, defining 2000s trends, events, or people didn't happen or blow up until at least 2003. Y2K's zeitgeist was dead by Fall 01, you did have some commercials from of the summer still using futuristic type faces but the main draw of Y2K was Teen Pop and that was over by the Fall ( Backstreet Boys had gone on hiatus, Britney and Christina had already gone on a mature Neptunes direction) and then you had 9/11 and the launch of Xbox and Gamecube as well as key players like Lord of The Rings, Harry Potter movies. The whole vibe seemed different, and commercials started displaying bling and more neutral fonts during advertisements. Y2K looking device in 03 like Sony Vaio desktops or Walkmans were not going to just vanish of the shelves, but the general "y2k vibe" died over the course of summer 2001. Might I add Dragon Ball Z declined in Fall 01 and Pokemon did in Fall 2000 (both Y2k Staples) with DBZ getting a tiny boost in Fall 02 when the Buu saga aired,but the fad was over by then. Also the Wrestling Monday night war which was at a apex during the Y2K era of WWF vs WCW ended in Spring 01 as well. All good points, except the Monday Night Wars is pretty much just a late 90s thing rather than the actual Y2K era, as that spanned from late 1995-early 2001. I would associate the Y2K/Millennial era in terms of wrestling with just the Attitude era which was from like 1997-2002, depending on who you talk to (most people say mid/late 1997-early 2001, some even stretch it to mid 1996 or even early 2003). IMO, I would say the Y2K era is the peak of the millennium era, which I see as a much broader era (late 90s/early 00s) that spans from 97/98 to 03/04. The Y2K era is pretty much just 1999-2001, with it ultimately peaking in 2000 or the 1999-00' school year in general, as the 2000-01' school year was a watered down 1999-00'. Late 90s Millennium: Fall 1997 to Winter 1999 (mix of core 90s and Y2K influences, Fall 1997 to Summer 1998 being a transition from both) School years: 1997-98', 1998-99' (mostly first semester) Y2K era (peak Millennium): Spring 1999 to Summer 2001 (culturally leans slightly to the late 90s but generally distinguishable from both the late 90s and early 2000s, Columbine to 9/11 basically) School years: 1998-99' (second semester, the rise/emergence), 1999-00' (absolute cultural peak), 2000-01' (the numerical peak, slump period, watered down 1999-00'), technically the very beginning of 2001-02' Early 2000s Millennium: Fall 2001 to Spring 2004 (mix of Y2K and core 00s influences, Fall 2003 to Spring 2004 being a transition from both) School years: 2001-02', 2002-03', 2003-04'
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Post by John Titor on Apr 5, 2022 10:37:06 GMT 10
Y2K's zeitgeist was dead by Fall 01, you did have some commercials from of the summer still using futuristic type faces but the main draw of Y2K was Teen Pop and that was over by the Fall ( Backstreet Boys had gone on hiatus, Britney and Christina had already gone on a mature Neptunes direction) and then you had 9/11 and the launch of Xbox and Gamecube as well as key players like Lord of The Rings, Harry Potter movies. The whole vibe seemed different, and commercials started displaying bling and more neutral fonts during advertisements. Y2K looking device in 03 like Sony Vaio desktops or Walkmans were not going to just vanish of the shelves, but the general "y2k vibe" died over the course of summer 2001. Might I add Dragon Ball Z declined in Fall 01 and Pokemon did in Fall 2000 (both Y2k Staples) with DBZ getting a tiny boost in Fall 02 when the Buu saga aired,but the fad was over by then. Also the Wrestling Monday night war which was at a apex during the Y2K era of WWF vs WCW ended in Spring 01 as well. All good points, except the Monday Night Wars is pretty much just the mid-late 90s rather than the actual Y2K era, as that spanned from late 1995-early 2001. I would associate the Y2K/Millennial era in terms of wrestling with just the Attitude era which was from like 1997-2002, depending on who you talk to (most people say mid/late 1997-early 2001, some even stretch it to mid 1996 or even early 2003). IMO, I would say the Y2K era is the peak of the millennium era, which I see as a much broader era (late 90s/early 00s) that spans from 97/98 to 03/04. The Y2K era is pretty much just 1999-2001, with it ultimately peaking in 2000 or the 1999-00' school year in general, as the 2000-01' school year was a watered down 1999-00'. Late 90s Millennium: Fall 1997 to Winter 1999 (mix of core 90s and Y2K influences, Fall 1997 to Summer 1998 being a transition from both) School years: 1997-98', 1998-99' (mostly first semester) Y2K era (peak Millennium): Spring 1999 to Summer 2001 (culturally leans slightly to the late 90s but generally distinguishable from both the late 90s and early 2000s, Columbine to 9/11 basically) School years: 1998-99' (second semester, the rise/emergence), 1999-00' (absolute cultural peak), 2000-01' (the numerical peak, slump period, watered down 1999-00'), technically the very beginning of 2001-02' Early 2000s Millennium: Fall 2001 to Spring 2004 (mix of Y2K and core 00s influences, Fall 2003 to Spring 2004 being a transition from both) School years: 2001-02', 2002-03', 2003-04' I like your take as well with dividing the Millennium into something separate from Y2k. As I was entering 4th grade in Fall 97 it kind of felt like the y2k era was here already tbh, tons of Spice girls and Backstreet boys on MTV, PS1 was king and could do no wrong, Attitude era already ushered in with Wrestlers like The Rock and Stone Cold, the nWo ( getting big in 96) DX ( big in late 97) and just out of control wrestling television. You also had Tamagotchi pets and Digimon, Record scratch let me rewind that back, Digimon came out before Pokemon in the states, many Tamagotchi's were branded as Digimon in Late 97 Also Pokemon was covered in late 97 as the Seizure episode was making headlines ( little did we know a year later we would all be playing it), I also have to add Y2K fashions popping up on the runway in 97 as well as fonts in commercials starting to utilize it, even some stores looked Y2K in late 97 ( would not be the majority) And the biggest one of them all the Y2K bug was a world wide buzzword in Late 97, Seinfeld did an episode during the 97/98 season about Y2K as funny as that is.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 5, 2022 12:22:48 GMT 10
All good points, except the Monday Night Wars is pretty much just the mid-late 90s rather than the actual Y2K era, as that spanned from late 1995-early 2001. I would associate the Y2K/Millennial era in terms of wrestling with just the Attitude era which was from like 1997-2002, depending on who you talk to (most people say mid/late 1997-early 2001, some even stretch it to mid 1996 or even early 2003). IMO, I would say the Y2K era is the peak of the millennium era, which I see as a much broader era (late 90s/early 00s) that spans from 97/98 to 03/04. The Y2K era is pretty much just 1999-2001, with it ultimately peaking in 2000 or the 1999-00' school year in general, as the 2000-01' school year was a watered down 1999-00'. Late 90s Millennium: Fall 1997 to Winter 1999 (mix of core 90s and Y2K influences, Fall 1997 to Summer 1998 being a transition from both) School years: 1997-98', 1998-99' (mostly first semester) Y2K era (peak Millennium): Spring 1999 to Summer 2001 (culturally leans slightly to the late 90s but generally distinguishable from both the late 90s and early 2000s, Columbine to 9/11 basically) School years: 1998-99' (second semester, the rise/emergence), 1999-00' (absolute cultural peak), 2000-01' (the numerical peak, slump period, watered down 1999-00'), technically the very beginning of 2001-02' Early 2000s Millennium: Fall 2001 to Spring 2004 (mix of Y2K and core 00s influences, Fall 2003 to Spring 2004 being a transition from both) School years: 2001-02', 2002-03', 2003-04' I like your take as well with dividing the Millennium into something separate from Y2k. As I was entering 4th grade in Fall 97 it kind of felt like the y2k era was here already tbh, tons of Spice girls and Backstreet boys on MTV, PS1 was king and could do no wrong, Attitude era already ushered in with Wrestlers like The Rock and Stone Cold, the nWo ( getting big in 96) DX ( big in late 97) and just out of control wrestling television. You also had Tamagotchi pets and Digimon, Record scratch let me rewind that back, Digimon came out before Pokemon in the states, many Tamagotchi's were branded as Digimon in Late 97 Also Pokemon was covered in late 97 as the Seizure episode was making headlines ( little did we know a year later we would all be playing it), I also have to add Y2K fashions popping up on the runway in 97 as well as fonts in commercials starting to utilize it, even some stores looked Y2K in late 97 ( would not be the majority) And the biggest one of them all the Y2K bug was a world wide buzzword in Late 97, Seinfeld did an episode during the 97/98 season about Y2K as funny as that is. That's pretty cool honestly. Btw, about the end of the late 90s/Y2K era, you should look at this Reddit thread about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/generationology/comments/qgkxvy/when_did_the_late_90s_culture_die_out/
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Post by John Titor on Apr 5, 2022 12:40:50 GMT 10
I like your take as well with dividing the Millennium into something separate from Y2k. As I was entering 4th grade in Fall 97 it kind of felt like the y2k era was here already tbh, tons of Spice girls and Backstreet boys on MTV, PS1 was king and could do no wrong, Attitude era already ushered in with Wrestlers like The Rock and Stone Cold, the nWo ( getting big in 96) DX ( big in late 97) and just out of control wrestling television. You also had Tamagotchi pets and Digimon, Record scratch let me rewind that back, Digimon came out before Pokemon in the states, many Tamagotchi's were branded as Digimon in Late 97 Also Pokemon was covered in late 97 as the Seizure episode was making headlines ( little did we know a year later we would all be playing it), I also have to add Y2K fashions popping up on the runway in 97 as well as fonts in commercials starting to utilize it, even some stores looked Y2K in late 97 ( would not be the majority) And the biggest one of them all the Y2K bug was a world wide buzzword in Late 97, Seinfeld did an episode during the 97/98 season about Y2K as funny as that is. That's pretty cool honestly. Btw, about the end of the late 90s/Y2K era, you should look at this Reddit thread about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/generationology/comments/qgkxvy/when_did_the_late_90s_culture_die_out/ cringing at the comments on reddit saying 03 was the y2k era lmao, you can tell they didn't live thru it and are reading a bio somewhere
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Post by crystalmetheny0428 on Apr 5, 2022 12:44:21 GMT 10
That's pretty cool honestly. Btw, about the end of the late 90s/Y2K era, you should look at this Reddit thread about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/generationology/comments/qgkxvy/when_did_the_late_90s_culture_die_out/ cringing at the comments on reddit saying 03 was the y2k era lmao, you can tell they didn't live thru it and are reading a bio somewhere nobody on that sub knows what they’re talking about ever. i deleted reddit a while ago thank god
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 5, 2022 13:23:26 GMT 10
That's pretty cool honestly. Btw, about the end of the late 90s/Y2K era, you should look at this Reddit thread about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/generationology/comments/qgkxvy/when_did_the_late_90s_culture_die_out/ cringing at the comments on reddit saying 03 was the y2k era lmao, you can tell they didn't live thru it and are reading a bio somewhere You might like this guy's take then. https://www.reddit.com/r/90s/comments/q43xz9/911_didnt_end_90s_pop_culture/
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Post by John Titor on Apr 6, 2022 7:27:33 GMT 10
cringing at the comments on reddit saying 03 was the y2k era lmao, you can tell they didn't live thru it and are reading a bio somewhere You might like this guy's take then. https://www.reddit.com/r/90s/comments/q43xz9/911_didnt_end_90s_pop_culture/ You can tell this person was the same age as me in 2001...because what he said in that reddit post is EXACTLY what happened in the USA lol This is EXACTLY how it happened lol, my only complaint would be 01-02 having cross over which it pretty much didin't Whoever wrote that post kudos and a damn hug ! because historically thats what happened !
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Post by mediaguy93 on Jul 26, 2023 5:49:27 GMT 10
Yeah, while I do think 2002 was definitely in the classic 2000s category and peak early 2000s, it definitely felt like a pop culture limbo to a degree as most people would say the Y2K era ended by that time (or at the zeitgeist of it) but so many core, defining 2000s trends, events, or people didn't happen or blow up until at least 2003. Y2K's zeitgeist was dead by Fall 01, you did have some commercials from of the summer still using futuristic type faces but the main draw of Y2K was Teen Pop and that was over by the Fall ( Backstreet Boys had gone on hiatus, Britney and Christina had already gone on a mature Neptunes direction) and then you had 9/11 and the launch of Xbox and Gamecube as well as key players like Lord of The Rings, Harry Potter movies. The whole vibe seemed different, and commercials started displaying bling and more neutral fonts during advertisements. Y2K looking device in 03 like Sony Vaio desktops or Walkmans were not going to just vanish of the shelves, but the general "y2k vibe" died over the course of summer 2001. Might I add Dragon Ball Z declined in Fall 01 and Pokemon did in Fall 2000 (both Y2k Staples) with DBZ getting a tiny boost in Fall 02 when the Buu saga aired,but the fad was over by then. Also the Wrestling Monday night war which was at a apex during the Y2K era of WWF vs WCW ended in Spring 01 as well. 9/11 had an effect on the political atmosphere, but it didn't effect pop culture, as things were gradually changing before then, and continued to gradually change afterwards. Also there is some clear Y2K influences that lingered on until at least 2003. Sure it's not as strong as the peak Y2K period in 1999/2000 (and debatably early 2001), but it was still there. I do agree that the Pokemon anime declined in Fall 2000. DBZ was definitely not declining in the Fall of 2001. The show had its highest ratings from 2001-2003. And I think you are underestimating the ratings DBZ had in the fall of 2002. It wasn't a "tiny boost", it was literally when the show had its highest viewership throughout its entire run. In fact it rated no. 1 among boys 9-14 and men 12-24 at the time: www.animationmagazine.net/2002/09/dragon-ball-z-brings-ratings-heat/
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