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Post by y2kbaby on Jul 29, 2022 2:26:06 GMT 10
Do you believe racial fluid should be accepted by society? And if so, are Gender Fluidity and Racial Fluidity the same or not?
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Post by crystalmetheny0428 on Jul 29, 2022 2:46:29 GMT 10
what would racial fluidity even look like?
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Post by y2kbaby on Jul 29, 2022 2:49:17 GMT 10
what would racial fluidity even look like? Racially ambiguous/multiracial people.
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Post by carcar on Jul 29, 2022 6:01:04 GMT 10
what would racial fluidity even look like? Racially ambiguous/multiracial people. That’s basically what the concept of passing is all about. Except it was to move upwards in life in regards to lighter skinned non-whites historically in America.
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Post by crystalmetheny0428 on Jul 29, 2022 7:50:45 GMT 10
gender fluidity is more a fashion style than an identity imo
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Post by dount2005 on Jul 29, 2022 10:33:17 GMT 10
People who compare being transracial to being transgender are usually, more often than not, arguing against transgenderism. They use transracial as a means to argue against the validity of transgenderism and claim that there is not a difference between the two. In reality, transgenderism is when the brain and biological sex do not match. Transgenderism has a biological connotation that transracial does not.
So no, they are not the same.
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Post by al on Jul 30, 2022 2:11:09 GMT 10
If you actually are multiracial by blood (or possibly adoption) then I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to embrace both. The problems with that mostly tend to arise when one is trying to strategically benefit from it, which have to looked at on a case by case basis.
Transracial identities mostly come off as a trend or a scheme. However I do have to wonder if some of this is (ironically) being brought upon via the idea that you have to be of a particular culture in order to engage in it. Could gatekeeping lead people to feel they have to lie/create this elaborate identity? Maybe. Not saying that I think it's right or that cultural appropriation isn't worth safeguarding against, but I think it's a side effect worth considering.
I would compare racial fluidity and gender fluidity in the sense that for most people, it is about fashion. Otherwise I feel less inclined to believe that racial fluidity is about alleviating any kind of mental health issues or breaking societal norms.
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Post by astropoug on Jul 30, 2022 4:01:27 GMT 10
If you actually are multiracial by blood (or possibly adoption) then I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to embrace both. The problems with that mostly tend to arise when one is trying to strategically benefit from it, which have to looked at on a case by case basis. Transracial identities mostly come off as a trend or a scheme. However I do have to wonder if some of this is (ironically) being brought upon via the idea that you have to be of a particular culture in order to engage in it. Could gatekeeping lead people to feel they have to lie/create this elaborate identity? Maybe. Not saying that I think it's right or that cultural appropriation isn't worth safeguarding against, but I think it's a side effect worth considering. I would compare racial fluidity and gender fluidity in the sense that for most people, it is about fashion. Otherwise I feel less inclined to believe that racial fluidity is about alleviating any kind of mental health issues or breaking societal norms. Which is why this mentality needs to die off. Your race doesn't, and shouldn't, determine the things you like and enjoy. This feels so backwards to me. Reminds me of the 90s when people used to think white people couldn't rap.
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Post by al on Jul 30, 2022 4:34:31 GMT 10
Which is why this mentality needs to die off. Your race doesn't, and shouldn't, determine the things you like and enjoy. This feels so backwards to me. Reminds me of the 90s when people used to think white people couldn't rap. I think a lot of it comes down to giving credit where it's due. I get not wanting others to hijack something, but none of us live in a bubble so there will of course be cross over at times.
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Post by astropoug on Jul 30, 2022 5:00:42 GMT 10
Which is why this mentality needs to die off. Your race doesn't, and shouldn't, determine the things you like and enjoy. This feels so backwards to me. Reminds me of the 90s when people used to think white people couldn't rap. I think a lot of it comes down to giving credit where it's due. I get not wanting others to hijack something, but none of us live in a bubble so there will of course be cross over at times. I mean, nobody is denying that blacks created hip-hop or soul for example, but that doesn’t mean only they can enjoy it.
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Post by mediaguy93 on Jul 30, 2023 9:31:17 GMT 10
Honestly, I question the idea of gender fluidity. Though, I do find it a bit hypocritical (at least among a certain group of people) how choosing not to identify with the gender of your birth is perfectly fine. But choosing not to identify with your culture/heritage is considered "self-hate". Especially since culture isn't even genetic. Personally I don't identify with my family's culture/heritage, and people like me are often accused of "self-hate" or "trying to be white", even if I'm just being my natural self. And often it's by the very same people who embrace gender fluidity/transgenderism.
And I didn't even touch on identifying with different cultures that are not your own. Personally I don't see this as a problem. If someone is more drawn to a certain culture, then why is it a problem if they celebrate that culture's customs? Why does one have to be apart of a certain group to identify with a certain culture? I think it hinges on this fallacy that people automatically identify with their race/culture, when that is clearly not the case.
In short, people should just do whatever they are comfortable with, as long as they are not hurting anyone.
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Post by mediaguy93 on Jul 30, 2023 9:34:10 GMT 10
If you actually are multiracial by blood (or possibly adoption) then I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to embrace both. The problems with that mostly tend to arise when one is trying to strategically benefit from it, which have to looked at on a case by case basis. Transracial identities mostly come off as a trend or a scheme. However I do have to wonder if some of this is (ironically) being brought upon via the idea that you have to be of a particular culture in order to engage in it. Could gatekeeping lead people to feel they have to lie/create this elaborate identity? Maybe. Not saying that I think it's right or that cultural appropriation isn't worth safeguarding against, but I think it's a side effect worth considering. I would compare racial fluidity and gender fluidity in the sense that for most people, it is about fashion. Otherwise I feel less inclined to believe that racial fluidity is about alleviating any kind of mental health issues or breaking societal norms. I think that might be it. Personally I find this mentality to be dumb. Because there are many people who are of a certain ethnicity, who do not engage in their ethnicity's culture. I just don't like this idea of pigeonholing people into these groups. I for one don't consider myself apart of my culture. People can say that I have "self-hate" or that I'm "trying to be white" or whatever, but quite frankly I don't care what those people think. I'm allowed to live however way makes me happy.
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Post by aja675 on Aug 10, 2023 2:15:19 GMT 10
If you actually are multiracial by blood (or possibly adoption) then I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to embrace both. The problems with that mostly tend to arise when one is trying to strategically benefit from it, which have to looked at on a case by case basis. Transracial identities mostly come off as a trend or a scheme. However I do have to wonder if some of this is (ironically) being brought upon via the idea that you have to be of a particular culture in order to engage in it. Could gatekeeping lead people to feel they have to lie/create this elaborate identity? Maybe. Not saying that I think it's right or that cultural appropriation isn't worth safeguarding against, but I think it's a side effect worth considering. I would compare racial fluidity and gender fluidity in the sense that for most people, it is about fashion. Otherwise I feel less inclined to believe that racial fluidity is about alleviating any kind of mental health issues or breaking societal norms. I think that might be it. Personally I find this mentality to be dumb. Because there are many people who are of a certain ethnicity, who do not engage in their ethnicity's culture. I just don't like this idea of pigeonholing people into these groups. I for one don't consider myself apart of my culture. People can say that I have "self-hate" or that I'm "trying to be white" or whatever, but quite frankly I don't care what those people think. I'm allowed to live however way makes me happy. Same. Cable TV and the Internet made me out of touch with the mainstream culture of where I live.
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