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Post by RockyMountainExtreme on Jul 11, 2018 7:30:01 GMT 10
Do you agree with the saying? "Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times".
Not to sound pessimistic or anything, but I do believe we're in for rough times ahead. Today's generation is certainly weak, no doubt about that. With a large chunk of them, if you do anything that even remotely offends them, even it wasn't intentional, they will act irrationally and try to sabotage you for it. It may seem like I'm talking exclusively about the regressive left, the SJWs and what not, but the alt-right is on the same page here. In fact, the regressive left and alt-right have more in common than people think, both movements value sensitivity over freedom and want an authoritarian government to protect their values and to enforce them on other people, they both over exaggerate certain issues and trivialize certain words (like "oppression" on the left and "genocide" on the right) in order to push their political agenda, completely ignoring any solid points brought up from the other side as the saying "a broken clock is right twice a day" has no meaning to them, plus both movements really exploded thanks to the internet, where people can consume whichever information they want, and people are more isolated since they're not having natural conversations much anymore. Both the alt-right and regressive left have done considerable damage in todays society, and they both signal that "1984" may just be over three decades late. That, and the US debt being over 20 trillion signals rough times ahead.
What do you think of this? Do you agree or disagree?
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Post by rainbow on Jul 11, 2018 7:52:01 GMT 10
I've noticed this a lot on Twitter especially, where things that are trending are shown on a list of hashtags. I've seen people debate about political and pointless stuff and saw huge arguments over it.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 11, 2018 10:58:05 GMT 10
I can see the argument for it, but I would personally have to disagree with that notion. I'm not sure if it can really be regarded as a cycle, because there will always be "alpha" and "beta" males, regardless of how difficult the era is. To be honest, I think the "hard times-strong men - good times-weak men" mindset is a bit archaic. Women have just as much of an influence on how society functions and I can only see their influence on society growing as time progresses.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 11:40:55 GMT 10
I can see the argument for it, but I would personally have to disagree with that notion. I'm not sure if it can really be regarded as a cycle, because there will always be "alpha" and "beta" males, regardless of how difficult the era is. To be honest, I think the "hard times-strong men - good times-weak men" mindset is a bit archaic. Women have just as much of an influence on how society functions and I can only see their influence on society growing as time progresses. I agree. Lacy MacAuley, a female, is one of the most notorious SJW leaders. Lana Lokteff, also a female, is one of the most notorious alt-right leaders. Both of them are obviously very dangerous people and in a way like cult queens. They round up a group of vulnerable people, indoctrinate them with bizarre ideology, and make them agree with basically everything they say. I would, in fact, argue that these two could possibly be the most dangerous people in their movements.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 4:36:51 GMT 10
Our friend Cabo speaks of valuing sensitivity over freedom and wanting an authoritarian Government to enforce these sensitivities and he is right. Nowhere is that more in evidence than in Britain where political correctness is lauded over commonsense and one has to think very carefully over what they say and do as some 'special snowflake' will make an issue of it. Also the minority vote matters more than the majority vote as we mustn't upset or offend these poor little creatures. As Orwell said in 'Animal Farm', all animals are created equal but some are more equal than others.
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Post by al on Jul 12, 2018 15:20:27 GMT 10
I suppose the concept begs the question, are we currently living in bad times that will soon produce strength? Or are we currently living with weakness that will soon produce bad times? I think either could be argued. And then who are these strong ones? Does one generation get to be strong and another week? Or do we have the capacity to change? How long should such a cycle last?
Interestingly, the most vocal in my city as of recent have been people in their thirties. (Well, and elderly people. *cough* my grandparents *cough*) Currently some of my neighbors are very offended about some construction that is not that loud nor encroaches on their property. However my favorite has to be the sign downtown that must be updated daily stating the construction noise levels to be expected. All because one lady in a nearby apartment claims loud sounds give her anxiety. Why the sign makes a difference I don't know. And after all the things I and those close to me have not been able to get taken care of in this town, how she actually got this big sign inaugurated is beyond me. I mean, I get anxiety and I can have some compassion, but would never think of asking for a favor like that.
Long anecdote aside, I do actually think there are some beneficial social changes going on. Perhaps a more nurturing world to begin with will actually make us feel less judged and brow beaten, and instead more empowered. But how we can do this without creating a vicious sense of entitlement in everybody is still the issue. I have an extremely low tolerance for disrespect. That goes for both things like snickering at somebody and demanding over-the-top special treatment for one's SJW approved position. I think in part that there is too much focus on what is worthy of respect over just plain giving it all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 4:34:08 GMT 10
Long anecdote aside, I do actually think there are some beneficial social changes going on. Perhaps a more nurturing world to begin with will actually make us feel less judged and brow beaten, and instead more empowered. But how we can do this without creating a vicious sense of entitlement in everybody is still the issue. I have an extremely low tolerance for disrespect. That goes for both things like snickering at somebody and demanding over-the-top special treatment for one's SJW approved position. I think in part that there is too much focus on what is worthy of respect over just plain giving it all the time. Al, this is one of the most sensible and brilliant things I have ever read.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 14, 2018 22:34:40 GMT 10
I suppose the concept begs the question, are we currently living in bad times that will soon produce strength? Or are we currently living with weakness that will soon produce bad times? I think either could be argued. And then who are these strong ones? Does one generation get to be strong and another week? Or do we have the capacity to change? How long should such a cycle last? Interestingly, the most vocal in my city as of recent have been people in their thirties. (Well, and elderly people. *cough* my grandparents *cough*) Currently some of my neighbors are very offended about some construction that is not that loud nor encroaches on their property. However my favorite has to be the sign downtown that must be updated daily stating the construction noise levels to be expected. All because one lady in a nearby apartment claims loud sounds give her anxiety. Why the sign makes a difference I don't know. And after all the things I and those close to me have not been able to get taken care of in this town, how she actually got this big sign inaugurated is beyond me. I mean, I get anxiety and I can have some compassion, but would never think of asking for a favor like that. Long anecdote aside, I do actually think there are some beneficial social changes going on. Perhaps a more nurturing world to begin with will actually make us feel less judged and brow beaten, and instead more empowered. But how we can do this without creating a vicious sense of entitlement in everybody is still the issue. I have an extremely low tolerance for disrespect. That goes for both things like snickering at somebody and demanding over-the-top special treatment for one's SJW approved position. I think in part that there is too much focus on what is worthy of respect over just plain giving it all the time. I agree. That's why i'm skeptical about the notion of there being a "hard times-strong men" cycle. There's no figurative answer to the theory, as there are factors which ultimately skew each viewpoint on the matter. You can't collectively regard every single person as being "strong" or "weak", as it would not only be absurd to suggest such a thing, but it would fail to take into account that people naturally have differing values and opinions. There were "weak" people during both World Wars, just like there were "strong" people during stereotypical 'optimistic' eras, such as the Y2K-Era. No two people are ever the same, regardless of the generation in which they were born in. Also, I personally believe the notion is too abstract for it to have any merit. What constitutes someone as being "strong" as opposed to being "weak"? What exactly is a "hard time"? You could live in a world where equality and wealth reign supreme, yet someone could still face hardship in their life. Does it make them any weak as a person? Life is far too unpredictable and varied for anyone to fit into "strong" or "weak" labels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 8:26:08 GMT 10
There are very strong similarities between the Alt-right and SJWs:
Both hate capitalism: Alt-right favors third position, SJWs favor communism and socialism.
Both hate Christianity: Alt-right favors volkisch heathenry, SJWs favor atheism.
Both openly call for racial segregation: Alt-right and SJWs both want racial segregation and go crazy if someone from one race marries someone from another race (yes, SJWs do it too).
Both want an authoritarian government: Alt-righters and SJWs want an authoritarian government to push their agenda on people.
Both are, at often times, spammers on the Internet: Alt-right says #StopWhiteGenocide, SJWs say #Resist.
Both tend to ruin things other people like: Alt-righters ruin vaporwave, SJWs ruin indie.
Both have their "safe spaces": Alt-right safe space is GAB, SJW safe space is Tumblr.
Both admire insane criminals: Alt-righters admire Adolf Hitler, Varg Vikernes, and Charles Manson, SJWs admire Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.
Both use violence: Jeremy Joseph Christian killed two people in his alt-right rampage. James Hodgkinson shot and critically injured Steve Scalise in his SJW rampage.
You get called a racist if you disagree with either one of them: Alt-righters will say that you are anti-white if you disagree with them. SJWs will say that you are literally Hitler if you disagree with them.
Both dox each other: Yep. Alt-righters and SJWs dox each other all the time.
Both are basically cults: Both the Alt-right and SJWs recruit vulnerable people to their movements with similar tactics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 9:53:34 GMT 10
If the 2000s with its Iraq and Afghansitan war and the worst recession since the Great Depression aren't hard times then what is?
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Post by RockyMountainExtreme on Jul 28, 2018 11:03:12 GMT 10
If the 2000s with its Iraq and Afghansitan war and the worst recession since the Great Depression aren't hard times then what is? The Iraq and Afghanistan wars had no draft though, and the recession was nowhere near the ballpark of the same scale as the Great Depression. Even Greece during the recession faired better than the US during the Great Depression. The late '00s and early '10s were still a comfortable time period to live in for most Americans, especially with all the tech advancements that happened by then. Every decade has its ups and downs, but every decade post-WW2 were great times to live in compared to the 1930s.
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