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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 8:50:25 GMT 10
I don't see how you could say that. Maybe late 2008, but definitely not most of 2008. I think mh said most of them. In 2008, I don't remember a single soul owning a (modern) smartphone, SDTVs were still more common than HDTVs, teens used mostly MSN (or MySpace in the US) to talk with friends instead of Facebook, the PS2 was still outselling the PS3, the economy hadn't collapsed yet, electropop was a minor genre and most people listened to rap or rock, the US had a Republican President and the UK had a Labour Prime Minister. By 2010 that had all flipped. I recall people on escforum.net talking about being on MSN in 2009 and thinking they were so behind.  I actually still actively used MSN in 2009. Facebook chat was complete crap. It was spring 2010 when I last gave someone my email (as opposed to asking then to add me on Facebook). I remember when I got my smartphone in 2010, I was excited to download MSN and be on it 24/7 but by then it was already dead. 
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Post by al on Jan 9, 2020 12:06:52 GMT 10
I actually don't find lumping 2009 in with the early 10's as egregious as 2008. But I'm assuming people are mostly doing it because that span encapsulates their childhood/adolescence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 19:12:35 GMT 10
Nah, I was already 18 by 2008. It just seems to go together from a political and musical standpoint. Then again I do lump the entirety of 2008 to 2016 together.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 9, 2020 19:40:41 GMT 10
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how the Late 2000s and Early 2010s can really be grouped together, music wise. I think when people say that the music scenes of the Late 2000s and Early 2010s were very similar to each other, they're generally only referring to the period from about 2009-2013. I could maybe include 2008 into that as well if you're factoring in electropop starting to gain ground towards the end of the year, but even then, the music scene of 2008 was very different to that of the Early 2010s. There's very little similarities between the two eras. When I was 9 years old, these were some of the biggest hits of the time: {Spoiler}
Compare those hits to the some of the biggest ones just two years later, when I was 11: {Spoiler}
They're worlds apart. Both 2007 and 2008 belong to a bygone era in which smartphones weren't commonplace yet, rock was still a dominant cultural force, social media wasn't ubiquitous among the general population and people still consumed entertainment through physical means, such as renting a DVD at a video store. Not only did pop culture change, but society did too. The Late 2000s and Early 2010s really couldn't be any more different. You can see this is something I feel passionate about.
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Post by mc98 on Jan 10, 2020 12:25:51 GMT 10
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how the Late 2000s and Early 2010s can really be grouped together, music wise. I think when people say that the music scenes of the Late 2000s and Early 2010s were very similar to each other, they're generally only referring to the period from about 2009-2013. I could maybe include 2008 into that as well if you're factoring in electropop starting to gain ground towards the end of the year, but even then, the music scene of 2008 was very different to that of the Early 2010s. There's very little similarities between the two eras. When I was 9 years old, these were some of the biggest hits of the time: {Spoiler}
Compare those hits to the some of the biggest ones just two years later, when I was 11: {Spoiler}
They're worlds apart. Both 2007 and 2008 belong to a bygone era in which smartphones weren't commonplace yet, rock was still a dominant cultural force, social media wasn't ubiquitous among the general population and people still consumed entertainment through physical means, such as renting a DVD at a video store. Not only did pop culture change, but society did too. The Late 2000s and Early 2010s really couldn't be any more different. You can see this is something I feel passionate about. Even 2 years can have a notable difference.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 10, 2020 16:01:33 GMT 10
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how the Late 2000s and Early 2010s can really be grouped together, music wise. I think when people say that the music scenes of the Late 2000s and Early 2010s were very similar to each other, they're generally only referring to the period from about 2009-2013. I could maybe include 2008 into that as well if you're factoring in electropop starting to gain ground towards the end of the year, but even then, the music scene of 2008 was very different to that of the Early 2010s. There's very little similarities between the two eras. When I was 9 years old, these were some of the biggest hits of the time: {Spoiler}
Compare those hits to the some of the biggest ones just two years later, when I was 11: {Spoiler}
They're worlds apart. Both 2007 and 2008 belong to a bygone era in which smartphones weren't commonplace yet, rock was still a dominant cultural force, social media wasn't ubiquitous among the general population and people still consumed entertainment through physical means, such as renting a DVD at a video store. Not only did pop culture change, but society did too. The Late 2000s and Early 2010s really couldn't be any more different. You can see this is something I feel passionate about. Even 2 years can have a notable difference. Yes, however my main point was that society and pop culture changed to such a huge extent during the Late 2000s and Early 2010s that they are worlds apart, for reasons which have been mentioned in this thread.
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Post by longaotian on Jan 10, 2020 16:12:56 GMT 10
The peak of the electropop music was from about mid 2009-mid 2011. This time was pretty similar all the way through.
While also part of the overall era, Mid 2008-Early 2009 & Late 2011-Early 2013 shouldn't be grouped together...and 2007 is out of question lol.
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Post by mh on Jan 11, 2020 0:27:07 GMT 10
Talking about video rental, that's another good point. Back during 2008, video stores were still pretty big because Netflix had only been offering streaming for about a year, and most of the country still had fairly slow broadband and wouldn't have been able to do much streaming anyway. By comparison, I'm pretty sure that by 2012 Blockbuster had basically gone out of business.
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Post by rainbow on Jan 11, 2020 0:47:29 GMT 10
I really don’t understand people who put 2008 and 2012 in the same era unless you’re talking about your personal life or something.
2008 and 2012 were like two completely different worlds.
2008: George W. Bush was president for all of this year.
2012: Obama was president for all of this year.
2008: Myspace was still quite popular
2012: Myspace is dead, and Facebook for teens was popular
2008: Instagram was nonexistent
2012: Instagram is just starting to get popular
2008: Emo/Scene was still common
2012: Hipsters were starting to take over
2008: Electropop was only just starting to get popular, but it was still kinda minor.
2012: Electropop was fading, though it was still there. It was in a newer form than it was in 2008.
2008: A lot of people were still against gay marriage
2012: Obama came out in support for gay marriage, and many people start to support them. The song “Same Love” is all you really need to know.
2008: Smartphones, although existed, weren’t as common.
2012: Smartphones were pretty common at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 1:55:36 GMT 10
Talking about video rental, that's another good point. Back during 2008, video stores were still pretty big because Netflix had only been offering streaming for about a year, and most of the country still had fairly slow broadband and wouldn't have been able to do much streaming anyway. By comparison, I'm pretty sure that by 2012 Blockbuster had basically gone out of business. Rental and video stores were already on their way out in 2007 I think, I remember huge closures. DVD sales peaked in 2005. Netflix was pretty big in 2007, but it was primarily a mail DVD renting service then. But yeah, for the rental stores that were still hanging on to dear life, the recession killed them all off. By 2010 Blockbuster had declared bankruptcy.
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Post by Captain Nemo on Jan 11, 2020 2:54:07 GMT 10
2008: George W. Bush is president for most of this year.
Bush was president for all of 2008. Obama became the president-elect in November, but didn't become inaugurated until January 2009
But yes, I agree, and would also not group 2008 and 2012 together pop culturally.
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Post by rainbow on Jan 11, 2020 3:07:33 GMT 10
2008: George W. Bush is president for most of this year. Bush was president for all of 2008. Obama became the president-elect in November, but didn't become inaugurated until January 2009 But yes, I agree, and would also not group 2008 and 2012 together pop culturally. Yeah, sorry I should’ve worded it better lol.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Dec 2, 2021 5:19:25 GMT 10
Glad someone else shares this view.
I never got this at all. The early 10s had some things in common with the late 00s but were still very distinct eras. For example, the recession happened in the very late 00s. But the economy was in recovery in the early 10s. Smartphones were a novelty and a rarity in the late 00s, but became mainstream in the early 10s. Windows XP vs Windows 7. Internet explorer vs Google Chrome. Core 00s style music and Electropop with timbaland beat influences vs EDMish sounding electropop, hipster indie happy go lucky music, dubstep and EDM in the early 10s. Overall the late 00s felt much more darker and depressing with bush fatigue, an economy going to shit, stores closing down rapidly, swine flu and MJs death whilst the early 10s had the polar opposite vibe with the recovering economy and obama in office. The only thing I can think of where they are similar is gaming since both are 7th gen with realistic FPS games being the most popular.
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