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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 2, 2020 20:36:14 GMT 10
Lately I've been noticing a bit of a trend online (namely on sites such as Reddit and YouTube) in which people collectively group trends from both cultural eras and refer to them as "2008-2013 nostalgia". For instance, there's been certain types of "starter packs" which have had Late '00s songs like "Gives You Hell", "Poker Face" etc. grouped in with Early '10s songs such as "Gangnam Style", "Grenade" and "Get Lucky". Many people seem to have this idea that the Late 2000s and Early 2010s weren't that different from each other.
Yet, I personally don't see it. In fact, i'm actually of the belief that the Late 2000s and Early 2010s are almost polar opposites. I mean, don't get me wrong, there are definitely trends that carried over into the Early 2010s, such as electropop, 7th Generation gaming consoles (e.g PS3, Xbox 360), Blackberries etc. However, you can find similarities between any two cultural eras if you look hard enough, that doesn't mean that they were more or less the same. I won't go into it any further because I don't want to turn this into a decadeology thread, however I do think it is interesting how this trend seems to have correlated with stereotypical Gen Z things recently becoming popular, such as Fortnite, 'Tide Pods', mumble-rap etc. I tend to think this trend has been brought on by people who were either still only toddlers during the Late 2000s or were just starting elementary/primary school during that time.
Either way, i'm just interested to hear other people's thoughts on this, especially since we all experienced both cultural eras during different stages in our lives. Some of us were still only kids during the Late 2000s and Early 2010s, while others were well into their teens or young adulthood. Do you agree with the Late 2000s and Early 2010s being grouped together as one cultural era?
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Post by mh on Jan 3, 2020 0:11:17 GMT 10
Yeah, I've noticed this a lot too, especially with nostalgia videos on YouTube. It does look that some take the fact that there were things that were big during both the late '00s and early '10s, like 7th Gen consoles and certain pop stars, and try to make a larger connection between the two eras.
I agree that there are some obvious similarities between the two, but there are considerable differences, especially if you are comparing like 2008 to 2012. If you look at 2008, social media was only just beginning to take off, with MySpace still being bigger than Facebook at least for part of the year and YouTube still being during it's Golden Age. Twitter was also very new that year, and most of the country hadn't heard of it yet. Even gaming was different, as while online gaming had taken off, the modern era of microtransactions still wasn't much of a thing yet. Also, smartphones were still quite new back then. Most everybody I knew still had a flip-phone during 2008. George W. Bush still being President, and the Iraq War still being a major issue, also gives the year a '00s vibe.
There are some similarities, too, but not as many as, by comparison, the late '90s and early '00s have. I would consider the late '90s and early '00s to be relateble overall than the late '00s and early '10s, though even there there's differences like Teen Pop and 5th Gen gaming consoles being irrelevant by 2002. I've noticed that everybody actually tries to do this with the late part and early part of every decade that is next to another. It's a fairly common thing, especially when it comes to discussing pop culture online.
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Post by behindawall on Jan 3, 2020 0:57:58 GMT 10
I saw a youtube video that was titled i believe "if the 2010s had end credits".
The video had memes from the 00s such as numa numa and the cat playing a keyboard.
The credit music they used was Mario kart a ds which was a game released in the 00s.
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Post by sman12 on Jan 3, 2020 2:35:04 GMT 10
Well, for me, I was born in 2000, and I experienced the late 2000s and early 2010s as a kid. There were various carryovers from the late 2000s to the early 2010s like electropop, early touchscreen smartphones, viral YouTube videos, and the 7th gen of consoles. But I also understand the differences between the two. For example, the late 2000s experienced a global recession, while the early 2010s began a economic recovery. There was also EDM booming, smartphones were becoming more common in people's hands, and internet memes (top and bottom text) became huge. I personally use the late 2000s/early 2010s period label to describe what my childhood was like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 3:30:06 GMT 10
I actually am in that camp. It could be a function of me being older and in college at the time, but I didn’t *really* see a shift until the arrival of Vine in summer/fall 2013, by which time I had been out about a year. To me, the proliferation of a certain kind of humor on the Vine platform marks the bold line separating the “Hope & Change” era (2008~2013) and the core 2010s (~2014-2016), when things got more social justice-y and the fabric of society was starting to show its cracks.
And this is coming from me, who sees the Obama years (~2008 to Nov. 2016) as a fixed chunk, irrespective of decade year delineation.
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Post by mc98 on Jan 3, 2020 4:35:04 GMT 10
Yeah, I don't see how the late 2000s and early 2010s can be grouped together. Even 2010 was already different from 2008.
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Post by Cassie on Jan 4, 2020 7:24:10 GMT 10
Yeah, I don't see how the late 2000s and early 2010s can be grouped together. Even 2010 was already different from 2008. I disagree. I think 2010 is quite similar to 2008.
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Post by karlpalaka on Jan 4, 2020 7:28:13 GMT 10
2009 and 2010 are very similiar for me. No difference, just like 2019 and 2020 are the same for me right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 12:05:06 GMT 10
Yeah, I don't see how the late 2000s and early 2010s can be grouped together. Even 2010 was already different from 2008. I disagree. I think 2010 is quite similar to 2008. I don't see how you could say that. Maybe late 2008, but definitely not most of 2008. I think mh said most of them. In 2008, I don't remember a single soul owning a (modern) smartphone, SDTVs were still more common than HDTVs, teens used mostly MSN (or MySpace in the US) to talk with friends instead of Facebook, the PS2 was still outselling the PS3, the economy hadn't collapsed yet, electropop was a minor genre and most people listened to rap or rock, the US had a Republican President and the UK had a Labour Prime Minister. By 2010 that had all flipped.
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Post by Cassie on Jan 4, 2020 12:16:03 GMT 10
I disagree. I think 2010 is quite similar to 2008. I don't see how you could say that. Maybe late 2008, but definitely not most of 2008. I think mh said most of them. In 2008, I don't remember a single soul owning a (modern) smartphone, SDTVs were still more common than HDTVs, teens used mostly MSN (or MySpace in the US) to talk with friends instead of Facebook, the PS2 was still outselling the PS3, the economy hadn't collapsed yet, electropop was a minor genre and most people listened to rap or rock, the US had a Republican President and the UK had a Labour Prime Minister. By 2010 that had all flipped. I dunno about Electopop being minor. If anything, 2008 was when it really broke into the mainstream. Plus, the economy was really bad in 2008. Facebook began to get more popular than MySpace in 2008, too. Though I will say that MySpace really died around 2009, Facebook was still gaining huge traction at the very least, back in 2008. Also smartphones weren't really as popular until around 2011 or so. Feature phones were the norm from 2007 until around 2011.
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Post by Cassie on Jan 4, 2020 12:17:49 GMT 10
I personally group them together - but only because those years were the peak of my childhood. Other than that, I would say they're quite different from each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 12:23:13 GMT 10
I don't see how you could say that. Maybe late 2008, but definitely not most of 2008. I think mh said most of them. In 2008, I don't remember a single soul owning a (modern) smartphone, SDTVs were still more common than HDTVs, teens used mostly MSN (or MySpace in the US) to talk with friends instead of Facebook, the PS2 was still outselling the PS3, the economy hadn't collapsed yet, electropop was a minor genre and most people listened to rap or rock, the US had a Republican President and the UK had a Labour Prime Minister. By 2010 that had all flipped. I dunno about Electopop being minor. If anything, 2008 was when it really broke into the mainstream. Plus, the economy was really bad in 2008. Facebook began to get more popular than MySpace in 2008, too. Though I will say that MySpace really died around 2009, Facebook was still gaining huge traction at the very least, back in 2008. Also smartphones weren't really as popular until around 2011 or so. Feature phones were the norm from 2007 until around 2011. I should have emphasized that I was talking about early-mid 2008. After November 2008 or so I could see it being similar to 2010, but not before that. I don't think most of what you wrote applies to early 2008. Smartphones were pretty common in 2010, about 25-30% adoption. In early 2008, smartphones as we know them didn't exist. In late 2008, when the iPhone 3G came out, it was still very rare to see one.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 4, 2020 16:37:39 GMT 10
Maybe late 2008, but definitely not most of 2008. I think mh said most of them. In 2008, I don't remember a single soul owning a (modern) smartphone, SDTVs were still more common than HDTVs, teens used mostly MSN (or MySpace in the US) to talk with friends instead of Facebook, the PS2 was still outselling the PS3, the economy hadn't collapsed yet, electropop was a minor genre and most people listened to rap or rock, the US had a Republican President and the UK had a Labour Prime Minister. Also, to add on to the points you and mh brought up (all of which I agree with), baggy jeans and loose fitting clothing in general were still the clothes of choice during 2008, just as they had been earlier in the decade. I can remember that by the time I started high school in Early 2012, skinny jeans had become trendy for both males and females, while the hipster aesthetic/look was already fully established. I can't recall anyone throwing the term "hipster" around back in 2008 and as for skinny jeans, if a male were to have been caught wearing a pair of skinny jeans back then, they probably would have either be called "gay" or referred to as being a "nerd". I dunno about Electopop being minor. If anything, 2008 was when it really broke into the mainstream. I wouldn't think of it as being a "major" genre. Electropop didn't define the music scene of 2008 as people would lead you to believe. You are right about how it broke into the mainstream towards the end of the year, however electropop didn't just suddenly dominate the charts overnight; it was a very gradual transition. In fact, Lady Gaga's huge rise to stardom didn't actually occur until around the turn of 2009 from what I remember, shortly after "Poker Face" was released. That was the single that really propelled her to becoming a household name. When it comes to music from 2008, for the most part, it was defined by genres such as emo/scene, post-grunge and '00s r&b. The Top-40 music scene of 2008 has much more in common with 2006 than what it does with 2010.
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Post by Cassie on Jan 5, 2020 6:21:06 GMT 10
Maybe late 2008, but definitely not most of 2008. I think mh said most of them. In 2008, I don't remember a single soul owning a (modern) smartphone, SDTVs were still more common than HDTVs, teens used mostly MSN (or MySpace in the US) to talk with friends instead of Facebook, the PS2 was still outselling the PS3, the economy hadn't collapsed yet, electropop was a minor genre and most people listened to rap or rock, the US had a Republican President and the UK had a Labour Prime Minister. Also, to add on to the points you and mh brought up (all of which I agree with), baggy jeans and loose fitting clothing in general were still the clothes of choice during 2008, just as they had been earlier in the decade. I can remember that by the time I started high school in Early 2012, skinny jeans had become trendy for both males and females, while the hipster aesthetic/look was already fully established. I can't recall anyone throwing the term "hipster" around back in 2008 and as for skinny jeans, if a male were to have been caught wearing a pair of skinny jeans back then, they probably would have either be called "gay" or referred to as being a "nerd". I dunno about Electopop being minor. If anything, 2008 was when it really broke into the mainstream. I wouldn't think of it as being a "major" genre. Electropop didn't define the music scene of 2008 as people would lead you to believe. You are right about how it broke into the mainstream towards the end of the year, however electropop didn't just suddenly dominate the charts overnight; it was a very gradual transition. In fact, Lady Gaga's huge rise to stardom didn't actually occur until around the turn of 2009 from what I remember, shortly after "Poker Face" was released. That was the single that really propelled her to becoming a household name. When it comes to music from 2008, for the most part, it was defined by genres such as emo/scene, post-grunge and '00s r&b. The Top-40 music scene of 2008 has much more in common with 2006 than what it does with 2010. 2008 is to the core 2000s what 2013 is to the mid-2010s. They're both in those groups, except for the late and early parts or the years, respectively.
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Post by aja675 on Jan 6, 2020 22:01:15 GMT 10
I disagree. I think 2010 is quite similar to 2008. I don't see how you could say that. Maybe late 2008, but definitely not most of 2008. I think mh said most of them. In 2008, I don't remember a single soul owning a (modern) smartphone, SDTVs were still more common than HDTVs, teens used mostly MSN (or MySpace in the US) to talk with friends instead of Facebook, the PS2 was still outselling the PS3, the economy hadn't collapsed yet, electropop was a minor genre and most people listened to rap or rock, the US had a Republican President and the UK had a Labour Prime Minister. By 2010 that had all flipped. I recall people on escforum.net talking about being on MSN in 2009 and thinking they were so behind. 
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