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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 13:53:48 GMT 10
the longer the lockdown gets ignored, the higher the deaths count goes. We can survive unemployment but mortality is a little harder to overcome. But if we survive unemployment, we may not get our jobs back. If we shut down the economy, it will collapse and the virus will still kill a substantial amount of people for a while - and then the homeless rate will skyrocket due to people being unable to get their jobs back due to layoffs and bankruptcies. The economy will be worse if the virus is allowed to spread. Once the disease is contained you can quickly resume normal life.
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Post by Cassie on Apr 21, 2020 13:59:20 GMT 10
But if we survive unemployment, we may not get our jobs back. If we shut down the economy, it will collapse and the virus will still kill a substantial amount of people for a while - and then the homeless rate will skyrocket due to people being unable to get their jobs back due to layoffs and bankruptcies. The economy will be worse if the virus is allowed to spread. Once the disease is contained you can quickly resume normal life. You don't understand the implications of shutting down, for 6 months or a year or even 3 months. The disease won't be contained for months, probably at least a year. So what do we do, shut down the economy? If we do, guess what? Complete economic collapse. That's not pretty, is it? Think about that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 15:48:27 GMT 10
The economy will be worse if the virus is allowed to spread. Once the disease is contained you can quickly resume normal life. You don't understand the implications of shutting down, for 6 months or a year or even 3 months. The disease won't be contained for months, probably at least a year. So what do we do, shut down the economy? If we do, guess what? Complete economic collapse. That's not pretty, is it? Think about that. The implications of continuing as before are far worse. Many more people infected, fewer employees able to go to work, hospitals overflowing, economy collapsing out of control. I've experienced controlled lockdown where only essential businesses were still open. People heeded the call to stay at home except for food shopping. In my city of 7 million people, there were only 65 cases resulting in one death. I'm sure it would have been much worse had people continued with their usual activities. Businesses started opening up after about 6 weeks of closure. Now the majority of businesses are open, although not as busy as before. Some places haven't been given the go ahead - typically places where you'd have lots of people together at the same time. So, economic ruin isn't inevitable. It's possible to have a short lockdown, followed by a gradual return to full economic activity. That does depend on everyone being willing to make short term sacrifices. Things will be different, that's sure, but it can be a positive difference.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 21, 2020 19:54:33 GMT 10
The economy will be worse if the virus is allowed to spread. Once the disease is contained you can quickly resume normal life. You don't understand the implications of shutting down, for 6 months or a year or even 3 months. The disease won't be contained for months, probably at least a year. So what do we do, shut down the economy? If we do, guess what? Complete economic collapse. That's not pretty, is it? Think about that. The key is to find the right balance between slowing the rate of infections and allowing the economy to recover. No one is suggesting that we should remain in lockdown until whenever a vaccine is found. That would result in complete economic collapse. If you allow certain industries/services (e.g agriculture, mining) to continue while social distancing laws remain in place, not only are you protecting the community from contracting the virus and taking steps to prevent it from spreading further, but it also ensures that the economy can keep afloat. Everyone wants this to all be over as soon as possible, but is it really asking to much for people to maintain a 1.5m (6 foot) distance and not gather in large groups? It's not a huge sacrifice. Continuing on with normal life would have been a disaster. Look what is happening to Sweden.
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Post by Cassie on Apr 21, 2020 21:52:54 GMT 10
You don't understand the implications of shutting down, for 6 months or a year or even 3 months. The disease won't be contained for months, probably at least a year. So what do we do, shut down the economy? If we do, guess what? Complete economic collapse. That's not pretty, is it? Think about that. The key is to find the right balance between slowing the rate of infections and allowing the economy to recover. No one is suggesting that we should remain in lockdown until whenever a vaccine is found. That would result in complete economic collapse. If you allow certain industries/services (e.g agriculture, mining) to continue while social distancing laws remain in place, not only are you protecting the community from contracting the virus and taking steps to prevent it from spreading further, but it also ensures that the economy can keep afloat. Everyone wants this to all be over as soon as possible, but is it really asking to much for people to maintain a 1.5m (6 foot) distance and not gather in large groups? It's not a huge sacrifice. Continuing on with normal life would have been a disaster. Look what is happening to Sweden. I believe that Sweden's strategy is working - at least, that's what I heard.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 21, 2020 22:49:23 GMT 10
Monday, 21st April 2020:
* There are 2,492,963 confirmed cases worldwide. 171,152 people have died from COVID-19, while 569,736 have recovered.
* Reports have surfaced that North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un is "gravelly ill" after undergoing a serious operation. This is yet to be confirmed.
* The price of US oil has turned negative for the first time in history.
* Meanwhile in the US, the number of confirmed cases has risen by 28,000 within the past 24 hours, bringing the total number to 787,960. 42,364 Americans have lost their lives.
* The WHO has warned that "the worst is ahead of us".
* Australia recorded just 24 new cases overnight. The total number now sits at 6,642, with the death toll having risen to 72.
* Virgin Australia, Australia's second national airline carrier, has entered voluntary administration. The federal government has refused to bail them out.
* Singapore has extended its partial lockdown laws until June 1.
* Russia has seen a sharp rise in new cases. It is now among the top-10 most affected countries in the world, with the country now reporting 52,763 confirmed cases.
* The United Kingdom now has 124,743 confirmed cases. 4,862 people have died.
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Post by karlpalaka on Apr 22, 2020 3:24:09 GMT 10
The economy will be worse if the virus is allowed to spread. Once the disease is contained you can quickly resume normal life. You don't understand the implications of shutting down, for 6 months or a year or even 3 months. The disease won't be contained for months, probably at least a year. So what do we do, shut down the economy? If we do, guess what? Complete economic collapse. That's not pretty, is it? Think about that. I think in order for someone to be employed and have a job, the person needs to be alive for it.
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Post by karlpalaka on Apr 22, 2020 3:24:47 GMT 10
I would do anything right now to at least stand outside my house. I havent been outside my house in five weeks. What do you do for food provisions? Online ordering and contactless home delivery, which is what everybody should be doing until this virus is contained or at least if everyone is provided face masks. Yes, I think everyone should be provided face masks. That way, the lockdown can be lifted and it will be less dangerous for us to go outside.
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Post by Cassie on Apr 22, 2020 3:25:50 GMT 10
You don't understand the implications of shutting down, for 6 months or a year or even 3 months. The disease won't be contained for months, probably at least a year. So what do we do, shut down the economy? If we do, guess what? Complete economic collapse. That's not pretty, is it? Think about that. I think in order for someone to be employed and have a job, the person needs to be alive for it. You all act like the coronavirus is a death sentence - most people who die from it are immune compromised or are of old age. Those are the people that need to stay home.
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Post by karlpalaka on Apr 22, 2020 3:27:28 GMT 10
I think in order for someone to be employed and have a job, the person needs to be alive for it. You all act like the coronavirus is a death sentence - most people who die from it are immune compromised or are of old age. Those are the people that need to stay home. To be honest, either this virus needs to be contained, or everyone should be provided a face mask. If everyone gets a face mask, the lockdown can be lifted and we can all go outside being more protected from the virus. Only thing is we have to wear gloves to avoid touching contaminated surfaces.
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Post by karlpalaka on Apr 22, 2020 3:29:03 GMT 10
Monday, 21st April 2020:* There are 2,492,963 confirmed cases worldwide. 171,152 people have died from COVID-19, while 569,736 have recovered. * Reports have surfaced that North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un is "gravelly ill" after undergoing a serious operation. This is yet to be confirmed. * The price of US oil has turned negative for the first time in history. * Meanwhile in the US, the number of confirmed cases has risen by 28,000 within the past 24 hours, bringing the total number to 787,960. 42,364 Americans have lost their lives. * The WHO has warned that "the worst is ahead of us". * Australia recorded just 24 new cases overnight. The total number now sits at 6,642, with the death toll having risen to 72. * Virgin Australia, Australia's second national airline carrier, has entered voluntary administration. The federal government has refused to bail them out. * Singapore has extended its partial lockdown laws until June 1. * Russia has seen a sharp rise in new cases. It is now among the top-10 most affected countries in the world, with the country now reporting 52,763 confirmed cases. * The United Kingdom now has 124,743 confirmed cases. 4,862 people have died. Trump also suspended immigration and will lift the suspension only after the pandemic. I support this only cause people from other countries can easily spread the virus. Of course, they should ban international air travel too for this. We need face masks. If everyone has a face mask, the lockdown can be lifted, and at least it would be somewhat safe for us to go outside.
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Post by Telso on Apr 22, 2020 5:36:28 GMT 10
Latest reports aren't very optimistic. Out of some researches apparently the body's reserve in antibodies collapses after a few weeks which would make it possible for the opportunistic virus to make the patient relapse back into illness
This virus is almost out of an alien dimension according to many experts
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 6:36:35 GMT 10
The key is to find the right balance between slowing the rate of infections and allowing the economy to recover. No one is suggesting that we should remain in lockdown until whenever a vaccine is found. That would result in complete economic collapse. If you allow certain industries/services (e.g agriculture, mining) to continue while social distancing laws remain in place, not only are you protecting the community from contracting the virus and taking steps to prevent it from spreading further, but it also ensures that the economy can keep afloat. Everyone wants this to all be over as soon as possible, but is it really asking to much for people to maintain a 1.5m (6 foot) distance and not gather in large groups? It's not a huge sacrifice. Continuing on with normal life would have been a disaster. Look what is happening to Sweden. I believe that Sweden's strategy is working - at least, that's what I heard. From whom did you hear that? Sweden's death rate is higher than the United States and the difference continues to yawn. And they are in recession and losing jobs like everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 10:50:26 GMT 10
You all act like the coronavirus is a death sentence - most people who die from it are immune compromised or are of old age. Those are the people that need to stay home. To be honest, either this virus needs to be contained, or everyone should be provided a face mask. If everyone gets a face mask, the lockdown can be lifted and we can all go outside being more protected from the virus. Only thing is we have to wear gloves to avoid touching contaminated surfaces. Most face masks are use-once only. You'd need a regular supply if you're going out every day. I also read about the risk of wearing gloves as opposed to washing your hands regularly. The idea is that if you're wearing gloves, they're potentially getting dirty/contaminated, then you could touch your face etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 10:56:25 GMT 10
I think in order for someone to be employed and have a job, the person needs to be alive for it. You all act like the coronavirus is a death sentence - most people who die from it are immune compromised or are of old age. Those are the people that need to stay home. The difficulty is that these people need to eat and drink like everybody else. If someone is running around as normal, getting mildly infected, then passing it on to their parents and grandparents, then that's not going to end well. One way to minimise this risk is to reduce human interaction as much as possible. It could be forever, but if everybody follows the rules, then things can get back to the "new normal" sooner.
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