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Post by SharksFan99 on Jun 18, 2020 17:06:23 GMT 10
As i'm sure you're more than aware, several television shows and movies have either been cancelled or removed from streaming sites altogether as a result of the ongoing #BlackLivesMatter movement and the George Floyd protests. "COPS" was cancelled after 33 seasons on-air, while HBO Max made the decision to remove Gone With The Wind from its streaming service for its perceived, "racially insensitive content". This has understandably caused a lot of uproar among viewers and the greater public at large. Of course, "Cancel Culture" has been a thing for several years now, but it would seem as though we are only at the beginning of what will likely be an ongoing stream of a continual 'erasing' of old television shows and movies over the next few years. Do you support "Cancel Culture"? Should we be erasing old releases that contain beliefs/ideologies that don't comply within the current context of 2020, or should we keep them easily accessible, so that we can learn from them and aim to never repeat the mistakes of the past? I personally believe in the latter, but I would be interested to read everyone else's reasons for or against that view.
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Post by Cassie on Jun 19, 2020 2:08:16 GMT 10
Absolutely not. Not only is it an overreaction most of the time, but when they want to boycott a business, it comes off as stupid because the business is too large to be taken down by Cancel Culture because that business is still owned by another company - if you buy M&Ms, you're giving it to the Mars company - but if you don't like them and want to boycott them it wouldn't work because Mars owns like what, 80 percent of the candy on shelves?
EDIT: Actually I don't think that's what Cancel Culture is - it's more akin to online internet shaming where people will take something someone said and use it to shame them and try to boycott them. It also happens to businesses too. For instance, if someone or a company donated to Trump's reelection campaign, then people will start a hashtag talking about how horrible that person is for donating to Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 2:32:26 GMT 10
It's just political correctness gone mad. Times were less enlightened then, yes, but that is the way it was and we must acknowledge and accept it. One cannot rewrite history. As you rightly said, Shark, we can learn from it.
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Post by rainbow on Jun 19, 2020 4:29:16 GMT 10
I think the only thing that actually needs to be cancelled is cancel culture.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 19, 2020 16:07:43 GMT 10
It has gone too far now. I really don’t understand this desire to re-write history by eliminating all aspects of it. It has be understood and accepted that times have changed, and that some aspects of culture have aged horribly. Eliminating everything from history is not the answer.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jun 19, 2020 23:26:02 GMT 10
Absolutely not. Not only is it an overreaction most of the time, but when they want to boycott a business, it comes off as stupid because the business is too large to be taken down by Cancel Culture because that business is still owned by another company - if you buy M&Ms, you're giving it to the Mars company - but if you don't like them and want to boycott them it wouldn't work because Mars owns like what, 80 percent of the candy on shelves? Also to add on to what you're saying, you're never going to completely erase something from existence, it's always going to be accessible in some shape or form. Just because HBO Max may have decided to remove Gone With The Wind, that's not too say you won't be able to watch it on another streaming service or buy it on DVD. There's other means of obtaining something if you're that desperate enough to seek it.
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Post by al on Jun 20, 2020 1:11:03 GMT 10
Cancel culture is on a slippery slope. Sure most of us were fine with canceling rapist scum. But if we start canceling anyone for anything, it starts losing its potency as a punishment and resembling hysteria.
As for old movies like “Gone with the Wind,” they still contain historical relevance even if they don’t qualify as modern entertainment. If HBO doesn’t want to air films like that, it’s their choice, however it does come off as a bit inconsistent when they’ve never shied away from graphic or inappropriate content before. Meanwhile Disney’s choice not stream “Song of the South” came at no surprise.
The novel “To Kill a Mockingbird” is a staple in American high schools. I specifically remember no one volunteering to read it out loud when the teacher asked, assumably due to the risk of stumbling upon a certain slur. Yet at least partially for that reason, for that discomfort, books on these topics are required reading.
I think there is a difference between removing something from modern settings versus erasing its content. It’s often valid for critical study and given we’re primed for that, the material should not be inaccessible. Otherwise, there’s a bit of a creep factor.
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Post by karlpalaka on Jun 20, 2020 11:11:11 GMT 10
I think I would be fine cancelling anything that relates to loved family members dying. Its just really sad watching a show or movie about a child or teen whose mom and/or dad died either during the events of the show or movie or before the events of the show or movie. The other things actually teach us life lessons, but there should be some age restriction.
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Post by safeinsanity on Jun 23, 2020 0:58:31 GMT 10
Liberals won't be happy until we're all locked up in prison camps being spoon fed their socialist propaganda!
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Post by #Infinity on Jun 24, 2020 7:59:17 GMT 10
I do think people should face some sort of consequences for offensive things they do, but I agree that cancel culture has gotten ridiculously out of hand. I feel we should be fostering a culture where we learn for our mistakes, not just dig up old shame as an excuse to ruin the reputation of somebody who has likely changed significantly since then.
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Post by al on Jun 30, 2020 0:17:55 GMT 10
How do y'all feel about JK Rowling getting cancelled?
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jun 30, 2020 23:51:25 GMT 10
How do y'all feel about JK Rowling getting cancelled? Should have happened back in 1997, then we would have been sparred from Harry Potter. In all seriousness though, I think it's interesting that the cast members of the films have also come out and distanced themselves from her views, it's not very often you see something like that. It can't be said that she doesn't deserve it though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 12:28:41 GMT 10
I don't really give a shit either way, so for lack of a better option I chose "It Depends." I think there is a good purpose to refusing to patronize someone who says or does abhorrent things. I do agree that cancel culture the noun can go a little overboard at times, but frankly I'm failing to see any tangible effects from this outside of the Weinstein Company/Kevin Spacey situations. How is your life objectively, quantifiably worse because some fuckhead on Twitter said Fred Rogers is "cancelled?" And I know I'm not going to miss COPS, it was such a lame show anyway.
In the end though, it's important to remember that the worst examples of cancel culture are just another instance of what in earlier times would have been referred to as "moral panic." It's just a part of human society and you're going to have to get used to it, because it's been happening since time immemorial. You can fight against the "cancellation" of particular people or media, but you're never going to win the war against the behavior. And believe me, moral panics have occurred for much stupider reasons than people saying racist stuff or sexually assaulting others.
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Post by Khal on Jul 24, 2020 12:00:03 GMT 10
I think it depends but cancel culture is usually more toxic than it helps. Most people grow out of old ideologies over time and change their beliefs. When I was a kid I used to be ultra conservative (against gay marriage, I thought homosexuality should be criminalized) but when I grew older I started challenging my beliefs and realized I was wrong and became liberal
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Post by goodbants on Jul 24, 2020 13:23:36 GMT 10
If it's for something really bad, like Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein getting cancelled, I think they should absolutely be cancelled. However, it is overblown in many cases. It all depends on how long ago it was, the severity of it, etc. I would not say I'm opposed to it because some people do awful things and do not deserve to be respected anymore just because they're famous.
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