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Post by John Titor on Jun 19, 2020 10:56:07 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 20:23:40 GMT 10
To be perfectly honest, I have never thought of third-wave emo and scene as being different things. The emo kids I knew in 2005-2006 very quickly transitioned to scene, they were listening to the same tunes, and the fashion style is so similar already albeit with more color, so I've always essentially thought of them as exactly the same thing.
Oh, also, you forgot Teen Mom debuting in 2009. I may not like the show, but it has shown pretty astounding continuity.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 20, 2020 1:39:17 GMT 10
To be perfectly honest, I have never thought of third-wave emo and scene as being different things. The emo kids I knew in 2005-2006 very quickly transitioned to scene, they were listening to the same tunes, and the fashion style is so similar already albeit with more color, so I've always essentially thought of them as exactly the same thing. Oh, also, you forgot Teen Mom debuting in 2009. I may not like the show, but it has shown pretty astounding continuity. Eh I found the Scene people at the time to be a different cut, not all emo people transition straight to scene some went to Hipster instead. There were emo people in 2007/2008 co existing with Scene and early early early hipster. But for the most part lets say Scene was a new Level to emo. I was going to mention Jersey Shore as well because that came out in 2009 as well as Teen Mom but they both came out 2 weeks before the 2000s ended so I decided to leave it off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 2:23:48 GMT 10
To be perfectly honest, I have never thought of third-wave emo and scene as being different things. The emo kids I knew in 2005-2006 very quickly transitioned to scene, they were listening to the same tunes, and the fashion style is so similar already albeit with more color, so I've always essentially thought of them as exactly the same thing. Oh, also, you forgot Teen Mom debuting in 2009. I may not like the show, but it has shown pretty astounding continuity. I was going to mention Jersey Shore as well because that came out in 2009 as well as Teen Mom but they both came out 2 weeks before the 2000s ended so I decided to leave it off. I was going to say, for the 2010s in general you're going to have to make special note of unscripted TV programs, since they were so huge throughout the whole decade. Jersey Shore, Teen Mom, the Kardashians, the Duggars, The Little Couple, all those home improvement shows...it was an absolute smorgasbord and I don't think even the entire 2000s can compare. Huh...this itself might be worth its own thread.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 20, 2020 2:45:17 GMT 10
I was going to mention Jersey Shore as well because that came out in 2009 as well as Teen Mom but they both came out 2 weeks before the 2000s ended so I decided to leave it off. I was going to say, for the 2010s in general you're going to have to make special note of unscripted TV programs, since they were so huge throughout the whole decade. Jersey Shore, Teen Mom, the Kardashians, the Duggars, The Little Couple, all those home improvement shows...it was an absolute smorgasbord and I don't think even the entire 2000s can compare. Huh...this itself might be worth its own thread. I also want to point out some people on "another" forum saying emo died in 2013......way way way off, unless you are living in Alaska or some mid western state EMO fell off a cliff along with Scene in 2009 never to be heard of again until Emo nite started popping of in 2018. The fact that 2013 was used as a date to when emo/scene was gone shows how fast trends move in California, New York, New Jersey, Miami.
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Post by Telso on Jun 20, 2020 7:13:46 GMT 10
Just realized how much Ke$ha ripped from the scene kids
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 9:01:56 GMT 10
I was going to say, for the 2010s in general you're going to have to make special note of unscripted TV programs, since they were so huge throughout the whole decade. Jersey Shore, Teen Mom, the Kardashians, the Duggars, The Little Couple, all those home improvement shows...it was an absolute smorgasbord and I don't think even the entire 2000s can compare. Huh...this itself might be worth its own thread. I also want to point out some people on "another" forum saying emo died in 2013......way way way off, unless you are living in Alaska or some mid western state EMO fell off a cliff along with Scene in 2009 never to be heard of again until Emo nite started popping of in 2018. The fact that 2013 was used as a date to when emo/scene was gone shows how fast trends move in California, New York, New Jersey, Miami. No offense, but I think it’s more revealing of your dismissiveness of places that are not on the coast than the actual date certain that emo died. I am firmly in the “emo held on” camp, especially “emo” continuing to be an insult as far deep as 2014.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 20, 2020 11:43:05 GMT 10
I also want to point out some people on "another" forum saying emo died in 2013......way way way off, unless you are living in Alaska or some mid western state EMO fell off a cliff along with Scene in 2009 never to be heard of again until Emo nite started popping of in 2018. The fact that 2013 was used as a date to when emo/scene was gone shows how fast trends move in California, New York, New Jersey, Miami. No offense, but I think it’s more revealing of your dismissiveness of places that are not on the coast than the actual date certain that emo died. I am firmly in the “emo held on” camp, especially “emo” continuing to be an insult as far deep as 2014. the thing is there were no emo songs on the radio in 2013 or 2014, no one dressed emo in 2013/2014 for the most part it was athlesiure and hipster. let me ask @slowpoke since he is in Canada, did you see more then 45% of people dressing emo in 2013 and 2014 or did u see Hipster & yoga pants?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 14:34:48 GMT 10
What does his being in Canada have to do with anything? Anyway, I’m just tired of this attitude like pop cultural trends are on-off switch when clearly things flow in and out of one another. The only sudden disappearance I can think of is hipsters: you blinked in 2018 and suddenly they were gone.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 20, 2020 14:52:15 GMT 10
What does his being in Canada have to do with anything? Anyway, I’m just tired of this attitude like pop cultural trends are on-off switch when clearly things flow in and out of one another. The only sudden disappearance I can think of is hipsters: you blinked in 2018 and suddenly they were gone. Different parts of the world see trends come and go fast. You didn't really didn't have emo or for that matter rock on the radio in 2014 That is nationwide. May I ask what region you are from, cause that could say why Emo might have lasted longer there. Not trying to put down any state or anything, just saying that Ny, Cali, Miami etc are usually the leaders of where trends pop off first. (usa wise) I can say as someone who traveled often in 2013 did not see anyone dressed as emo during that time. I went to London as well and didn't see any. I did see hipster everywhere I went. Man buns, suspenders, yoga pants, mustaches etc etc but no emo swoops or checkerboard belt. I mean only a few years ago 2017 emo was treated as an outdated name and genre from years gone by theculturetrip.com/europe/united-kingdom/england/articles/these-songs-will-take-you-back-to-your-embarrassing-emo-phase/when talking about the emo subculture it references the 2000s mainly 2004 -2007 I mean I am not saying some regions didn't have some lingering effects, but I find it hard to believe in 2013 and 2014 Emo still had a foothold in popular culture.
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Post by Early2010sGuy on Jun 20, 2020 15:32:47 GMT 10
Don't forget that Pluto was declassified as a planet in Late 2006 
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Post by John Titor on Jun 20, 2020 15:45:38 GMT 10
Don't forget that Pluto was declassified as a planet in Late 2006 oh yeah!
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jun 20, 2020 19:50:46 GMT 10
Indie-pop did have a small presence on the charts during the second-half of the 2000s, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that the hipster sub-culture went "mainstream" in 2008. It was still niche at best. I am firmly in the “emo held on” camp, especially “emo” continuing to be an insult as far deep as 2014. I know I've mentioned this before, but when I was in the 9th grade back in 2014, me and my friends would refer to the post-hardcore bands such as Bring Me The Horizon, Sleeping With Sirens etc. as "emo" and that was actually the only reason why I never got into those bands at the time, because of the stigma. I do agree that emo lingered on into the first few years of the 2010s, however I personally consider "scene" and especially post-hardcore to have been separate sub-cultures. "Scene" just wasn't as fleshed out as what emo was. but I find it hard to believe in 2013 and 2014 Emo still had a foothold in popular culture. The "emo" that was popular from about 2014-2016 was actually a separate sub-genre of rock known as post-hardcore. It borrowed a lot of elements from emo, however it derived more from metal than it did pop-punk. There were quite a lot of people in my grade who were into it. The majority of the songs didn't make it onto the charts, but it was still something that was culturally significant in its own right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 21:28:47 GMT 10
What does his being in Canada have to do with anything? Anyway, I’m just tired of this attitude like pop cultural trends are on-off switch when clearly things flow in and out of one another. The only sudden disappearance I can think of is hipsters: you blinked in 2018 and suddenly they were gone. Different parts of the world see trends come and go fast. You didn't really didn't have emo or for that matter rock on the radio in 2014 That is nationwide. May I ask what region you are from, cause that could say why Emo might have lasted longer there. Not trying to put down any state or anything, just saying that Ny, Cali, Miami etc are usually the leaders of where trends pop off first. (usa wise) I can say as someone who traveled often in 2013 did not see anyone dressed as emo during that time. I went to London as well and didn't see any. I did see hipster everywhere I went. Man buns, suspenders, yoga pants, mustaches etc etc but no emo swoops or checkerboard belt. I mean only a few years ago 2017 emo was treated as an outdated name and genre from years gone by theculturetrip.com/europe/united-kingdom/england/articles/these-songs-will-take-you-back-to-your-embarrassing-emo-phase/when talking about the emo subculture it references the 2000s mainly 2004 -2007 I mean I am not saying some regions didn't have some lingering effects, but I find it hard to believe in 2013 and 2014 Emo still had a foothold in popular culture. Yeah so I’m from Michigan but spent a lot of time in Boston during the early 2010s, having gone to college in the area. I can confirm that in Boston, it was like a day-to-night switch around 2011 or so from emo to hipsters. But again, that wasn’t until 2011 that I could say the emo thing was well and truly gone, it happened right around the time Occupy Boston began. In Michigan, people continued to use emo as an insult well into 2014. There weren’t any people dressing that way by then, but there were people still listening to the music. I think it’s also VERY important to remember that one of the blind spots of this forum is people focus A LOT on youth interfacing with culture. Most of the atmosphere threads seem to focus on people in high school, to the exclusion of how college-aged and older adults may relate to the same culture of the time. So somebody who dressed emo in 2006 may not still dress that way in 2014, but they may still be listening to their old favorites like Panic! At the Disco who were still actively releasing new music at the time.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 21, 2020 1:45:03 GMT 10
Indie-pop did have a small presence on the charts during the second-half of the 2000s, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that the hipster sub-culture went "mainstream" in 2008. It was still niche at best. I am firmly in the “emo held on” camp, especially “emo” continuing to be an insult as far deep as 2014. I know I've mentioned this before, but when I was in the 9th grade back in 2014, me and my friends would refer to the post-hardcore bands such as Bring Me The Horizon, Sleeping With Sirens etc. as "emo" and that was actually the only reason why I never got into those bands at the time, because of the stigma. I do agree that emo lingered on into the first few years of the 2010s, however I personally consider "scene" and especially post-hardcore to have been separate sub-cultures. "Scene" just wasn't as fleshed out as what emo was. but I find it hard to believe in 2013 and 2014 Emo still had a foothold in popular culture. The "emo" that was popular from about 2014-2016 was actually a separate sub-genre of rock known as post-hardcore. It borrowed a lot of elements from emo, however it derived more from metal than it did pop-punk. There were quite a lot of people in my grade who were into it. The majority of the songs didn't make it onto the charts, but it was still something that was culturally significant in its own right. In NYC & NJ it was def mainstream, American Apparel & Urban Outfitter stores were among the most popular stores that year. The thing is aspects of scene interlaced with Hipster at the start. As for Post hardcore yupp I agree with you it often gets confused with emo.
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