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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 1, 2017 19:41:26 GMT 10
I'm not sure if anyone else feels the same way, but doesn't anyone find it absolutely strange how "Hollywood sex scandals" are all followed up by other accusations shortly after the original one? With the Weinstein scandal, several other women have now reportedly come forward and claimed that they were "harassed" or "groped" by the actor. If those accusations are genuine, why not reveal them much earlier? Why wait 20-25 years or so to finally come forward and reveal what 'supposedly' happened. I find it really hard to believe the women who come out with these accusations, because I just think the circumstances which surround them are completely absurd. I suppose you should give them the benefit of the doubt, but it wouldn't surprise me if most of these 'accusations' are just attempts to make money. It's exploitation.
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Post by #Infinity on Nov 22, 2017 12:47:40 GMT 10
I think the reason the accusations all come out at once is because in the midst of one scandalous story, all others correlated to it are much more likely not only to be consumed, but generate sympathy towards the respective victim of misconduct, as well. Isolated incidents of sexual harassment aren't usually enough to fully rain hell upon the perpetrator because they're seen much more as human mistakes, whereas suddenly revealing an entire history of disrespectful treatment of women pushes a far more moving thesis against such a figure of status and power.
Take John Lasseter, for example. If I had heard about the incident he apparently had over 15 years ago, without knowledge of anything else he did, I would have most likely forgiven him. I would have disapproved of his non-consented advances, but I would have given him much more the benefit of the doubt if he sincerely apologized. To only hear now, however, that he had been making inappropriate contact with his subordinates way back in Pixar's early days, and that he never repented his ways after all that time, having harassed Rashida Jones during the production of Toy Story 4 and led her and Will McCormack to abandon the project, causes his desperate apology letter to feel entirely too little too late. He clearly should have learned his lesson a long time ago, rather than allowed himself to get away with his perversions behind closed doors and then trivialize it all just to defend his reputation. He states that he's stepping down for a half year as head of Pixar because he needs to "recharge" and rethink his ways, but with the years of evidence all piled up against him at once, that all just seems like a pile of bull.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 22, 2017 18:16:26 GMT 10
I think the reason the accusations all come out at once is because in the midst of one scandalous story, all others correlated to it are much more likely not only to be consumed, but generate sympathy towards the respective victim of misconduct, as well. Isolated incidents of sexual harassment aren't usually enough to fully rain hell upon the perpetrator because they're seen much more as human mistakes, whereas suddenly revealing an entire history of disrespectful treatment of women pushes a far more moving thesis against such a figure of status and power. Take John Lasseter, for example. If I had heard about the incident he apparently had over 15 years ago, without knowledge of anything else he did, I would have most likely forgiven him. I would have disapproved of his non-consented advances, but I would have given him much more the benefit of the doubt if he sincerely apologized. To only hear now, however, that he had been making inappropriate contact with his subordinates way back in Pixar's early days, and that he never repented his ways after all that time, having harassed Rashida Jones during the production of Toy Story 4 and led her and Will McCormack to abandon the project, causes his desperate apology letter to feel entirely too little too late. He clearly should have learned his lesson a long time ago, rather than allowed himself to get away with his perversions behind closed doors and then trivialize it all just to defend his reputation. He states that he's stepping down for a half year as head of Pixar because he needs to "recharge" and rethink his ways, but with the years of evidence all piled up against him at once, that all just seems like a pile of bull. That's very true and I agree with the points you raised. Mind you, I don't know how people (including the media outlets) don't question the validity of these claims. Most of the claims aren't necessarily in the best interest of victim. Rather, the 'claims' are just tools to exploit the media and cash in on someone else's misfortune. If someone can go on with their life for so many years without ever telling someone of their ordeal or publicizing their scandalous story, then I really don't understand how people can have any sympathy for the victim. Of course, I know that it's not always easy for someone to speak up about their experiences, but in most of these cases, they're really not as horrific as the victims make them out to be. How they can be horrific, if they can go about with their day-to-day life for so long! :S It annoys me that the media devotes so much time and attention to publicizing these claims. Sure, they appeal to audiences, which in turn, boosts ratings, but a lot of the claims are built purely on false information.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 11:27:52 GMT 10
Agree with all said. After all, why did the alleged victims wait for so long? And in the case of celebrities who are no longer alive such as Jimmy Savile, why did they wait until he was no longer able to defend himself? Attention seekers, the lot of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 0:17:46 GMT 10
Same in Australia with Don Burke and in recent years, Robert Hughes and Rolf Harris.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 5, 2017 13:40:34 GMT 10
Same in Australia with Don Burke and in recent years, Robert Hughes and Rolf Harris. What do you think about the Don Burke accusations? It wouldn't surprise me if some of them were true, to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 14:24:06 GMT 10
Because if only one person comes out, then people don't believe the victim. If one person has come out already, you can back up their claims by speaking about your own experiences too. It becomes more credible when there are multiple accusations.
Coming out as a victim of sexual assault is not easy. You run the real risk of people not believing you and destroying your reputation and career.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 5, 2017 14:47:02 GMT 10
Because if only one person comes out, then people don't believe the victim. If one person has come out already, you can back up their claims by speaking about your own experiences too. It becomes more credible when there are multiple accusations. Coming out as a victim of sexual assault is not easy. You run the real risk of people not believing you and destroying your reputation and career. I understand your point of view, however I still don't get the notion that someone could live for so many years (or in some cases, even decades) without ever revealing or detailing their horrific sexual ordeal. What if no one ever spoke up against the perpetrator? The victim would be hiding it for the rest of their lives, which would only do more harm to their mental well-being. I realise that it wouldn't be easy coming out as a victim of sexual assault, however it would benefit the victim the most by getting it out there straight away, even if runs the risk of people not believing you. By only announcing it after someone else has, it makes it seem as though the victim is simply "cashing" in on the scandal and trying to get a bit of publicity from it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 23:21:21 GMT 10
Same in Australia with Don Burke and in recent years, Robert Hughes and Rolf Harris. What do you think about the Don Burke accusations? It wouldn't surprise me if some of them were true, to be honest. Same, too many people have now come out and famous people too, still wonder why they didn't speak out 20-30 years ago though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 13:37:54 GMT 10
Because if only one person comes out, then people don't believe the victim. If one person has come out already, you can back up their claims by speaking about your own experiences too. It becomes more credible when there are multiple accusations. Coming out as a victim of sexual assault is not easy. You run the real risk of people not believing you and destroying your reputation and career. I understand your point of view, however I still don't get the notion that someone could live for so many years (or in some cases, even decades) without ever revealing or detailing their horrific sexual ordeal. What if no one ever spoke up against the perpetrator? The victim would be hiding it for the rest of their lives, which would only do more harm to their mental well-being. I realise that it wouldn't be easy coming out as a victim of sexual assault, however it would benefit the victim the most by getting it out there straight away, even if runs the risk of people not believing you. By only announcing it after someone else has, it makes it seem as though the victim is simply "cashing" in on the scandal and trying to get a bit of publicity from it. I don't think it works like that. The biggest feelings of shock and trauma from sexual assault come from the first few days after it. Over time, people realize they need to move on with life and try their best to recover. I don't think it's any more 'difficult' to be silent for 20 years, versus a couple of months (as long as you come out eventually). While it might "look" like that to an observer, but from the victim's perspective, I'm sure they find it easier to come out after someone else already has. It also makes the claim original claim more credible.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 16, 2017 21:46:11 GMT 10
I understand your point of view, however I still don't get the notion that someone could live for so many years (or in some cases, even decades) without ever revealing or detailing their horrific sexual ordeal. What if no one ever spoke up against the perpetrator? The victim would be hiding it for the rest of their lives, which would only do more harm to their mental well-being. I realise that it wouldn't be easy coming out as a victim of sexual assault, however it would benefit the victim the most by getting it out there straight away, even if runs the risk of people not believing you. By only announcing it after someone else has, it makes it seem as though the victim is simply "cashing" in on the scandal and trying to get a bit of publicity from it. I don't think it works like that. The biggest feelings of shock and trauma from sexual assault come from the first few days after it. Over time, people realize they need to move on with life and try their best to recover. I don't think it's any more 'difficult' to be silent for 20 years, versus a couple of months (as long as you come out eventually). I see what you mean and I agree that the biggest feelings of shock/trauma come in the days immediately following the sexual assault. However, I still question the extent to which it is hard for a sexual assault victim to recover from the ordeal and remain silent. Suppressing something of that nature can harm the mental health of the sexual assault victim and may even lead to chronic depression. Developing depression would only exasperate the trauma associated with having to go through something of that ordeal. It would make it more difficult to stay silent over the sexual assault. I personally don't think someone would ever truly move on from such an experience, especially if they remain silent about it. That's why I believe it would benefit the victim to publicise their ordeal and seek help straight away, as much as it may be hard to do.
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