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Post by pumpkin14 on Dec 20, 2021 9:59:36 GMT 10
2017 and 2018 aren’t part of the transition imo. I would start it sometime in 2019 at the earliest. Even tho 2019 was still a pure late 2010s year all the way through, it also felt newer and like the end of an era
I see it like this:
Phase I: mid 2019- very early 2020 (leans 2010s)
2020s artists like Lil Nas X, Billie Eillish and Doja Cat are now popular, most people have wireless earbuds by this point, Tiktok is now inescapable, and Disney+ comes out. Begins in late 2019 when tiktok became the norm, Disney+ was released, Covid, although not yet known, came into existence, 80s throwback music re-emerges with Blinding Lights and Don’t Start Now (two of the biggest songs of 2020), and Trumps first impeachment begins, the first of many things to ruin his chances of re-election. Ends when Covid is declared a pandemic
Phase II: March 2020 - Jan 2021 (peak transition period)
Covid happens, Biden is elected, tiktok is even more culturally relevant, but things are pretty stagnant due to covid and stylistically things are still pretty 2010s. You can still see some of the potential early 20s culture trying to break through tho (Pop Punk, gen z fashion, melodic rap). Starts with covid being declared a pandemic and ends in either December 2020 when the vaccines come out, or January 2021 with the capital insurrection
Phase III: Jan 2021 - sometime in late 2021 (leans 2020s)
Begins with the capital insurrection and vaccine rollout in very late 2020/very early 2021. Donald Trump was banned from twitter, held responsible for the insurrection by most people, and leaves office all by the end of January 2021. Also, Olivia Rodrigo, the new 2020s It Girl debuts in January as well. Now a lot of people are vaccinated and it is now common for most places and even jobs (at least here in northeast US) to check for vaccination. Masks are still common, gen z is now the new buzzword for young people rather than millennials, tiktok is somehow getting even more popular, early 20s fashion is established, streaming platforms are releasing blockbuster movies, and the music today is already pulling away from the late 10s sound. Popular shows that define the early 20s so far imo are Squid Game, Tiger King, Sex Education, You (ik it’s from the late 10s but it’s peaking rn), Bridgerton, Wandavision and Money Heist
I think the transition is pretty much done by this point, it’s just hard to tell in real time sometimes. 2022 is gonna be unambiguously 2020s
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Post by dudewitdausername on Dec 20, 2021 10:01:53 GMT 10
2017 and 2018 are part of the transition imo. I would start it sometime in 2019 at the earliest. Even tho 2019 was still a pure late 2010s year all the way through, it was also felt newer and like the end of an era I see it like this: Phase I: mid 2019- very early 2020 (leans 2010s)
2020s artists like Lil Nas X, Billie Eillish and Doja Cat are now popular, most people have wireless earbuds by this point, Tiktok is now inescapable, and Disney+ comes out. Ends when Covid is declared a pandemic
Phase II: March 2020 - Jan 2021 (peak transition period)
Covid happens, Biden is elected, tiktok is even more culturally relevant, but things are pretty stagnant due to covid and stylistically things are still pretty 2010s. You can still see some of the potential early 20s culture trying to break through (Pop Punk, gen z fashion, melodic rap). Starts with covid being declared a pandemic and ends in either December 2020 when the vaccines come out, or January 2021 with the capital insurrection
Phase III: Jan 2021 - sometime in late 2021 (leans 2020s)
Begins with the capital insurrection and vaccine rollout in very late 2020/very early 2021. Donald Trump was banned from twitter, held responsible for the insurrection by most people, and leaves office all by the end of January 2021. Also, Olivia Rodrigo, the new 2020s It Girl debuts in January as well. Now a lot of people are vaccinated and it is now common for most places and even jobs (at least here in northeast US) to check for vaccination. Masks are still common, gen z is now the new buzzword for young people rather than millennials, tiktok is somehow getting even more popular, early 20s fashion is established, streaming platforms are releasing blockbuster movies, and the music today is already pulling away from the late 10s sound
I think the transition is pretty much done by the point, it’s just hard to tell in real time sometimes. 2022 is gonna be unambiguously 2020sI like this breakdown, but I'd also add late 2018 because I think the transition low-key started when TikTok first came out. Phase 1: October-ish 2018 - March 2020 Phase 2: March 2020 - January 2021 Phase 3: January - October-ish 2021
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Post by John Titor on Dec 20, 2021 10:03:42 GMT 10
2017 and 2018 are part of the transition imo. I would start it sometime in 2019 at the earliest. Even tho 2019 was still a pure late 2010s year all the way through, it was also felt newer and like the end of an era I see it like this: Phase I: mid 2019- very early 2020 (leans 2010s)
2020s artists like Lil Nas X, Billie Eillish and Doja Cat are now popular, most people have wireless earbuds by this point, Tiktok is now inescapable, and Disney+ comes out. Ends when Covid is declared a pandemic
Phase II: March 2020 - Jan 2021 (peak transition period)
Covid happens, Biden is elected, tiktok is even more culturally relevant, but things are pretty stagnant due to covid and stylistically things are still pretty 2010s. You can still see some of the potential early 20s culture trying to break through (Pop Punk, gen z fashion, melodic rap). Starts with covid being declared a pandemic and ends in either December 2020 when the vaccines come out, or January 2021 with the capital insurrection
Phase III: Jan 2021 - sometime in late 2021 (leans 2020s)
Begins with the capital insurrection and vaccine rollout in very late 2020/very early 2021. Donald Trump was banned from twitter, held responsible for the insurrection by most people, and leaves office all by the end of January 2021. Also, Olivia Rodrigo, the new 2020s It Girl debuts in January as well. Now a lot of people are vaccinated and it is now common for most places and even jobs (at least here in northeast US) to check for vaccination. Masks are still common, gen z is now the new buzzword for young people rather than millennials, tiktok is somehow getting even more popular, early 20s fashion is established, streaming platforms are releasing blockbuster movies, and the music today is already pulling away from the late 10s sound
I think the transition is pretty much done by the point, it’s just hard to tell in real time sometimes. 2022 is gonna be unambiguously 2020sexactly! thank u
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Post by pumpkin14 on Dec 20, 2021 10:07:51 GMT 10
2017 and 2018 are part of the transition imo. I would start it sometime in 2019 at the earliest. Even tho 2019 was still a pure late 2010s year all the way through, it was also felt newer and like the end of an era I see it like this: Phase I: mid 2019- very early 2020 (leans 2010s)
2020s artists like Lil Nas X, Billie Eillish and Doja Cat are now popular, most people have wireless earbuds by this point, Tiktok is now inescapable, and Disney+ comes out. Ends when Covid is declared a pandemic
Phase II: March 2020 - Jan 2021 (peak transition period)
Covid happens, Biden is elected, tiktok is even more culturally relevant, but things are pretty stagnant due to covid and stylistically things are still pretty 2010s. You can still see some of the potential early 20s culture trying to break through (Pop Punk, gen z fashion, melodic rap). Starts with covid being declared a pandemic and ends in either December 2020 when the vaccines come out, or January 2021 with the capital insurrection
Phase III: Jan 2021 - sometime in late 2021 (leans 2020s)
Begins with the capital insurrection and vaccine rollout in very late 2020/very early 2021. Donald Trump was banned from twitter, held responsible for the insurrection by most people, and leaves office all by the end of January 2021. Also, Olivia Rodrigo, the new 2020s It Girl debuts in January as well. Now a lot of people are vaccinated and it is now common for most places and even jobs (at least here in northeast US) to check for vaccination. Masks are still common, gen z is now the new buzzword for young people rather than millennials, tiktok is somehow getting even more popular, early 20s fashion is established, streaming platforms are releasing blockbuster movies, and the music today is already pulling away from the late 10s sound
I think the transition is pretty much done by the point, it’s just hard to tell in real time sometimes. 2022 is gonna be unambiguously 2020sI like this breakdown, but I'd also add late 2018 because I think the transition low-key started when TikTok first came out. Yeah I was gonna put late 2018 at first. That period did kinda plant the seeds for what would be some early 20s things (airpod memes making AirPods more popular, Billie Eillish growing in popularity but also still low key) but the 2018-19 school year just feels too generically late 10s for me to see it as part of the transition. I’d probably consider 2018-19 to a prologue or “pre-transition” era that just sets up the trends for the actual transition
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Post by John Titor on Dec 20, 2021 10:37:03 GMT 10
2017 and 2018 aren’t part of the transition imo. I would start it sometime in 2019 at the earliest. Even tho 2019 was still a pure late 2010s year all the way through, it also felt newer and like the end of an era I see it like this: Phase I: mid 2019- very early 2020 (leans 2010s)
2020s artists like Lil Nas X, Billie Eillish and Doja Cat are now popular, most people have wireless earbuds by this point, Tiktok is now inescapable, and Disney+ comes out. Ends when Covid is declared a pandemic
Phase II: March 2020 - Jan 2021 (peak transition period)
Covid happens, Biden is elected, tiktok is even more culturally relevant, but things are pretty stagnant due to covid and stylistically things are still pretty 2010s. You can still see some of the potential early 20s culture trying to break through tho (Pop Punk, gen z fashion, melodic rap). Starts with covid being declared a pandemic and ends in either December 2020 when the vaccines come out, or January 2021 with the capital insurrection
Phase III: Jan 2021 - sometime in late 2021 (leans 2020s)
Begins with the capital insurrection and vaccine rollout in very late 2020/very early 2021. Donald Trump was banned from twitter, held responsible for the insurrection by most people, and leaves office all by the end of January 2021. Also, Olivia Rodrigo, the new 2020s It Girl debuts in January as well. Now a lot of people are vaccinated and it is now common for most places and even jobs (at least here in northeast US) to check for vaccination. Masks are still common, gen z is now the new buzzword for young people rather than millennials, tiktok is somehow getting even more popular, early 20s fashion is established, streaming platforms are releasing blockbuster movies, and the music today is already pulling away from the late 10s sound
I think the transition is pretty much done by the point, it’s just hard to tell in real time sometimes. 2022 is gonna be unambiguously 2020sWhat a lot of people tend to forget is we really don't see the scope of things until years later when we google map zoom out and see where everything led
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Post by John Titor on Dec 20, 2021 10:44:22 GMT 10
Speaking of this A NEW Atmosphere thread is coming tonight guys! KEEP IT LOCKED ON HERE 
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Post by dudewitdausername on Dec 20, 2021 12:13:25 GMT 10
2017 and 2018 aren’t part of the transition imo. I would start it sometime in 2019 at the earliest. Even tho 2019 was still a pure late 2010s year all the way through, it also felt newer and like the end of an era I see it like this: Phase I: mid 2019- very early 2020 (leans 2010s)
2020s artists like Lil Nas X, Billie Eillish and Doja Cat are now popular, most people have wireless earbuds by this point, Tiktok is now inescapable, and Disney+ comes out. Ends when Covid is declared a pandemic
Phase II: March 2020 - Jan 2021 (peak transition period)
Covid happens, Biden is elected, tiktok is even more culturally relevant, but things are pretty stagnant due to covid and stylistically things are still pretty 2010s. You can still see some of the potential early 20s culture trying to break through tho (Pop Punk, gen z fashion, melodic rap). Starts with covid being declared a pandemic and ends in either December 2020 when the vaccines come out, or January 2021 with the capital insurrection
Phase III: Jan 2021 - sometime in late 2021 (leans 2020s)
Begins with the capital insurrection and vaccine rollout in very late 2020/very early 2021. Donald Trump was banned from twitter, held responsible for the insurrection by most people, and leaves office all by the end of January 2021. Also, Olivia Rodrigo, the new 2020s It Girl debuts in January as well. Now a lot of people are vaccinated and it is now common for most places and even jobs (at least here in northeast US) to check for vaccination. Masks are still common, gen z is now the new buzzword for young people rather than millennials, tiktok is somehow getting even more popular, early 20s fashion is established, streaming platforms are releasing blockbuster movies, and the music today is already pulling away from the late 10s sound
I think the transition is pretty much done by the point, it’s just hard to tell in real time sometimes. 2022 is gonna be unambiguously 2020sWhat a lot of people tend to forget is we really don't see the scope of things until years later when we google map zoom out and see where everything led yeah, I think we are solidly in the early 2020s at this point. Like tell me one early part of a decade that doesn't have a few holdovers from the late part of the previous decade (Early 2010s comes close, but most do). It's like people expect 2018 to feel like a decade ago rather than 3/4 years ago, which it absolutely does. Imagine "The Middle" (No. 8 in 2018) or "Happier" (No. 6 in 2019) even coming close to the Top 10 in 2021, they couldn't.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 20, 2021 16:25:38 GMT 10
I still see most of 2019 and 2020 percent identical to 2021 with a 1 percent difference representing the earliest changes that only really only stick out and become properly noticeable and stick out in spring-fall 2021. It still doesn’t feel like a transition, it’s more like a subtle and slow build up. I think latter 2021 almost feels like the beginning of a transition but it’s not even clear because it’s still not enough. I think most of 2022 will be a real transition year (late 21/early 22 to most of 22)and late 2022 and or some point in 2023 will feel 2020s. I also say this because 2020 couldn’t function as a healthy year for popular culture most of it was frozen or purely internet based and trends couldn’t operate how they usually do causing a delay in evolving and experiencing pop culture. technically we should already be much more 2020s than we are right now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 20:58:08 GMT 10
I still see most of 2019 and 2020 percent identical to 2021 with a 1 percent difference representing the earliest changes that only really only stick out and become properly noticeable and stick out in spring-fall 2021. It still doesn’t feel like a transition, it’s more like a subtle and slow build up. I think latter 2021 almost feels like the beginning of a transition but it’s not even clear because it’s still not enough. I think most of 2022 will be a real transition year (late 21/early 22 to most of 22)and late 2022 and or some point in 2023 will feel 2020s. I also say this because 2020 couldn’t function as a healthy year for popular culture most of it was frozen or purely internet based and trends couldn’t operate how they usually do causing a delay in evolving and experiencing pop culture. technically we should already be much more 2020s than we are right now. I too see Q4 2018 through 2020 as similar to 2021 pop culturally. I think that the 2020s identity will have clearer vision in 2022, but still kind of blurry with the 2020s still deciding on what they want to be. I get the impression that today’s pop culture is in hazy maze, confused on what to do with certain aspects like TV, movies, gaming, technology, design, etc. Some or most of current pop culture trends feel long in the tooth, played out or stale, talking mainly about the 2010s leftovers. I believe that’s a sign of major changes and backlash coming through. I hope 2022 is an improvement over 2020 and 2021. 2022 might be the last gasp, hurrah or chapter of 2010s culture as late 2010s influences may still linger, but hopefully die quicker throughout 2022, maybe into 2023. I predict by some point in 2023, pop culture will feel more 2020s. Hopefully by then, late 2010s influences are killed off and the 2020s shine out on their own out of the 2010s shadow. 2023 is the earliest I pinpoint the core 2020s beginning. I think silicone shortages are supposed to end by then, so hopefully 9th generation gaming truly takes off, or better yet finds a way or ways to distinguish themself from 7th and 8th generation gaming. 2020s TV, movies, technology, design, aesthetics may likely be established by some point in 2023.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 20, 2021 23:37:21 GMT 10
I still see most of 2019 and 2020 percent identical to 2021 with a 1 percent difference representing the earliest changes that only really only stick out and become properly noticeable and stick out in spring-fall 2021. It still doesn’t feel like a transition, it’s more like a subtle and slow build up. I think latter 2021 almost feels like the beginning of a transition but it’s not even clear because it’s still not enough. I think most of 2022 will be a real transition year (late 21/early 22 to most of 22)and late 2022 and or some point in 2023 will feel 2020s. I also say this because 2020 couldn’t function as a healthy year for popular culture most of it was frozen or purely internet based and trends couldn’t operate how they usually do causing a delay in evolving and experiencing pop culture. technically we should already be much more 2020s than we are right now. I too see Q4 2018 through 2020 as similar to 2021 pop culturally. I think that the 2020s identity will have clearer vision in 2022, but still kind of blurry with the 2020s still deciding on what they want to be. I get the impression that today’s pop culture is in hazy maze, confused on what to do with certain aspects like TV, movies, gaming, technology, design, etc. Some or most of current pop culture trends feel long in the tooth, played out or stale, talking mainly about the 2010s leftovers. I believe that’s a sign of major changes and backlash coming through. I hope 2022 is an improvement over 2020 and 2021. 2022 might be the last gasp, hurrah or chapter of 2010s culture as late 2010s influences may still linger, but hopefully die quicker throughout 2022, maybe into 2023. I predict by some point in 2023, pop culture will feel more 2020s. Hopefully by then, late 2010s influences are killed off and the 2020s shine out on their own out of the 2010s shadow. 2023 is the earliest I pinpoint the core 2020s beginning. I think silicone shortages are supposed to end by then, so hopefully 9th generation gaming truly takes off, or better yet finds a way or ways to distinguish themself from 7th and 8th generation gaming. 2020s TV, movies, technology, design, aesthetics may likely be established by some point in 2023. I pretty much agree my gut feeling is some point in late 2022 and 2023 there will be an actual shift. I would say the majority of culture is still 2010s, not so much holdovers imo, just 2010s. 2021, the middle and current part, is the first time we feel some proper small signs of incoming 2020s culture just starting form and in the earliest stages of coming together outside of covid. 2018 was the base, 2019 had some seeds it wasn't really visible and mid 2020-early 2021 had some changes but it wasn't substantial, mid to late 2021 is when just a few changes pop out, but it still does not signify an era shift or a real transition. You could possibly argue the real transition has started just recently, but its hard to pinpoint it and it still feels seems mostly 2010s, or maybe in the next 2-5 months, but it's really hard to predict. Again I think if mid 2020 to early 2021 wasn't as absorbed with covid we would like likely already feel more change, although you can't know for sure.
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Post by y2kbaby on Dec 21, 2021 1:55:03 GMT 10
2017 and 2018 aren’t part of the transition imo. I would start it sometime in 2019 at the earliest. Even tho 2019 was still a pure late 2010s year all the way through, it also felt newer and like the end of an era I see it like this: Phase I: late 2019- very early 2020 (leans 2010s)
2020s artists like Lil Nas X, Billie Eillish and Doja Cat are now popular, most people have wireless earbuds by this point, Tiktok is now inescapable, and Disney+ comes out. Begins in late 2019 when tiktok became the norm, Disney+ was released, Covid, although not yet known, came into existence, 80s throwback music re-emerges with Blinding Lights and Don’t Start Now (two of the biggest songs of 2020), and Trumps first impeachment begins, the first of many things to ruin his chances of re-election. Ends when Covid is declared a pandemic
Phase II: March 2020 - Jan 2021 (peak transition period)
Covid happens, Biden is elected, tiktok is even more culturally relevant, but things are pretty stagnant due to covid and stylistically things are still pretty 2010s. You can still see some of the potential early 20s culture trying to break through tho (Pop Punk, gen z fashion, melodic rap). Starts with covid being declared a pandemic and ends in either December 2020 when the vaccines come out, or January 2021 with the capital insurrection
Phase III: Jan 2021 - sometime in late 2021 (leans 2020s)
Begins with the capital insurrection and vaccine rollout in very late 2020/very early 2021. Donald Trump was banned from twitter, held responsible for the insurrection by most people, and leaves office all by the end of January 2021. Also, Olivia Rodrigo, the new 2020s It Girl debuts in January as well. Now a lot of people are vaccinated and it is now common for most places and even jobs (at least here in northeast US) to check for vaccination. Masks are still common, gen z is now the new buzzword for young people rather than millennials, tiktok is somehow getting even more popular, early 20s fashion is established, streaming platforms are releasing blockbuster movies, and the music today is already pulling away from the late 10s sound. Popular shows that define the early 20s so far imo are Squid Game, Tiger King, Sex Education, You (ik it’s from the late 10s but it’s peaking rn), Bridgerton, Wandavision and Money Heist
I think the transition is pretty much done by this point, it’s just hard to tell in real time sometimes. 2022 is gonna be unambiguously 2020sAwesome breakdown👏 Only thing I disagree a tiny bit is the phase 1 part. IMO, Phase I started around April/May 2019 when Endgame premiered in theaters and Game of Thrones ended. This was also around the that Tik Tok, Billie Eilish, Lil Nas X got their first mainstream attention. And of course the 2020 democratic presidential primaries debate has just gotten started (actually started in June). Preparing for a “interesting” 2020 Election. But other than that, I can agree with that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 21:59:43 GMT 10
AirPods blew up around fall 2018 to spring 2019. TikTok blew up in spring 2019. Almost everyone I knew was talking about TikTok, made an account, started doing the challenges and or dances, watching those videos and or making them. In fall 2018, I thought TikTok wouldn’t last or would fade or be a one-hit wonder like Flappy Bird, Trivia Crack or other apps of those likes. I was proven wrong about TikTok as it became an unstoppable pop culture force in spring 2019.
Other long-running 2010s shows that ended in 2019 are Steven Universe, Avengers Assemble, You’re the Worst, Being Mary Jane, Veep, The Big Bang Theory, The Amazing World of Gumball, Mickey Mouse, Wahlburgers, Jane the Virgin, Drunk History, Elementary, Suits, Transparent, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, The Affair, Eastsiders, Silicone Valley, Madam Secretary, etc. These shows that I listed first debuted between the late 2000s to 2014.
That’s not to say all long-running 2010s shows ended in 2019. 2017 and 2018 also saw the end of many long-running 2010s shows too. Shows like Modern Family which debuted 2009, ended in 2020 and Keeping Up with the Kardashians which debuted in 2007, ended in 2021. The Walking Dead which debuted in 2010, will end in 2022.
I don’t know if I’d count Billie Eilish as an early 2020s icon, especially since she’s been declining since the start of 2021. Billie Eilish seems no different than other late 2010s singers. I wouldn’t compare her hype to Lady Gaga or Britney Spears. She’ll likely fizzle out by 2023. I consider Billie Eilish a 2019 and 2020 phenomena. People spoke too early about Billie Eilish lol. I wonder if she along with TikTok was responsible for E-Boy and E-Girl looks.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 21, 2021 23:28:30 GMT 10
AirPods blew up around fall 2018 to spring 2019. TikTok blew up in spring 2019. Almost everyone I knew was talking about TikTok, made an account, started doing the challenges and or dances, watching those videos and or making them. In fall 2018, I thought TikTok wouldn’t last or would fade or be a one-hit wonder like Flappy Bird, Trivia Crack or other apps of those likes. I was proven wrong about TikTok as it became an unstoppable pop culture force in spring 2019. Other long-running 2010s shows that ended in 2019 are Steven Universe, Avengers Assemble, You’re the Worst, Being Mary Jane, Veep, The Big Bang Theory, The Amazing World of Gumball, Mickey Mouse, Wahlburgers, Jane the Virgin, Drunk History, Elementary, Suits, Transparent, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, The Affair, Eastsiders, Silicone Valley, Madam Secretary, etc. These shows that I listed first debuted between the late 2000s to 2014. That’s not to say all long-running 2010s shows ended in 2019. 2017 and 2018 also saw the end of many long-running 2010s shows too. Shows like Modern Family which debuted 2009, ended in 2020 and Keeping Up with the Kardashians which debuted in 2007, ended in 2021. The Walking Dead which debuted in 2010, will end in 2022. I don’t know if I’d count Billie Eilish as an early 2020s icon, especially since she’s been declining since the start of 2021. Billie Eilish seems no different than other late 2010s singers. I wouldn’t compare her hype to Lady Gaga or Britney Spears. She’ll likely fizzle out by 2023. I consider Billie Eilish a 2019 and 2020 phenomena. People spoke too early about Billie Eilish lol. I wonder if she along with TikTok was responsible for E-Boy and E-Girl looks. Yeah what you are saying makes sense, it's a good recollection of the changes in the last few years till today. We still have some of that core 2010s culture from earlier in the decade, he rest is still with us. I think only half faded in the first half of 2018 while so many 2010s things simply refuse to die, they fade or stay suck rather than vanish. I think by tail end of this year to early 2022 will start the transition that been coming together since the spring, mid 2022 to early 2023 we reveal a fuller and clearer sense of the early 2020s identity that still is unfinished and unclear. I think somewhere in the 2023 or 2024 we will have a sense of the core identity. Everything has been delayed, so it makes sense that stuff is harder to piece together.
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