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Post by rainbow on Oct 3, 2020 13:43:37 GMT 10
I've been thinking about this for a while now. If you were to play a song from 2007 and a song from 2010, I'd easily be able to tell the two era's apart. 2007 felt like a completely different world from 2010 in terms of culture. Heck, even 2010 felt completely different from 2014, which was when the core 2010's started, and Instagram exploded in popularity.
But if you were to play a pop song from 2017, I literally wouldn't be able to tell if it was released today or in 2017. This could be due to the fact that we haven't completely left the era yet, and the late 2010's are still very recent, but even the difference between 2008 and 2010 was bigger than the difference between 2018 and 2020. I can easily tell that a song was made in 2008. It sounds so distinguishable. I can't really say the same thing for 2018 and 2020. It's weird.
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Post by Khal on Oct 3, 2020 13:58:00 GMT 10
That is why I dont think the 2010s are transitional compared to the 2000s. The 2010s feels more consistent in comparison to the changes that happened in the 2000s. I dont think much has changed since 2014. Yes theres differences between now and then but they are not as big as 2004 and 2009
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Post by slashpop on Oct 3, 2020 14:01:20 GMT 10
I've been thinking about this for a while now. If you were to play a song from 2007 and a song from 2010, I'd easily be able to tell the two era's apart. 2007 felt like a completely different world from 2010 in terms of culture. Heck, even 2010 felt completely different from 2014, which was when the core 2010's started, and Instagram exploded in popularity. But if you were to play a pop song from 2017, I literally wouldn't be able to tell if it was released today or in 2017. This could be due to the fact that we haven't completely left the era yet, and the late 2010's are still very recent, but even the difference between 2008 and 2010 was bigger than the difference between 2018 and 2020. I can easily tell that a song was made in 2008. It sounds so distinguishable. I can't really say the same thing for 2018 and 2020. It's weird. I fully agree. I would even say there needed to a much bigger and more drastic break outside of politics between 2013, 2016, and 2019. I’m not sure 2018 and 2019 are going to be viewed as building blocks towards a new era as much as watered down versions and prolonged extensions of 2015-2017.
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Post by rainbow on Oct 3, 2020 14:01:42 GMT 10
That is why I dont think the 2010s are transitional compared to the 2000s. The 2010s feels more consistent in comparison to the changes that happened in the 2000s. I dont think much has changed since 2014. Yes theres differences between now and then but they are not as big as 2004 and 2009 I'm also kind of amazed at how big the difference between 2007 and 2009 is musically. They felt so different from each other. Meanwhile 2017 and 2019 feel like identical twins lol
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Post by mc98 on Oct 3, 2020 14:19:27 GMT 10
I've been thinking about this for a while now. If you were to play a song from 2007 and a song from 2010, I'd easily be able to tell the two era's apart. 2007 felt like a completely different world from 2010 in terms of culture. Heck, even 2010 felt completely different from 2014, which was when the core 2010's started, and Instagram exploded in popularity. But if you were to play a pop song from 2017, I literally wouldn't be able to tell if it was released today or in 2017. This could be due to the fact that we haven't completely left the era yet, and the late 2010's are still very recent, but even the difference between 2008 and 2010 was bigger than the difference between 2018 and 2020. I can easily tell that a song was made in 2008. It sounds so distinguishable. I can't really say the same thing for 2018 and 2020. It's weird. I think saying 2017 music sounds the same as 2020 music is kind of an overstatement. I mean a lot of 2017 pop songs are distinct enough from the mainstream 2020 music. I don't think we are in the late 2010s, we are in a transitional period. 2017: 2020:
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Post by John Titor on Oct 3, 2020 14:31:21 GMT 10
I've been thinking about this for a while now. If you were to play a song from 2007 and a song from 2010, I'd easily be able to tell the two era's apart. 2007 felt like a completely different world from 2010 in terms of culture. Heck, even 2010 felt completely different from 2014, which was when the core 2010's started, and Instagram exploded in popularity. But if you were to play a pop song from 2017, I literally wouldn't be able to tell if it was released today or in 2017. This could be due to the fact that we haven't completely left the era yet, and the late 2010's are still very recent, but even the difference between 2008 and 2010 was bigger than the difference between 2018 and 2020. I can easily tell that a song was made in 2008. It sounds so distinguishable. I can't really say the same thing for 2018 and 2020. It's weird. no you are def right, the change in the 2010s was very incremental past 2014 , there was change but it was at a snails pace unlike the 2000s AHHHHH y2k AHHHHH 9/11 AHHHHH Surf culture AHHHHH EMO and Myspace AHHHHH youtube AHHHHH Smart Phones AHHHHH Recession AHHHHH Obama AHHHHH Stores close down
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Post by rainbow on Oct 3, 2020 14:57:23 GMT 10
I've been thinking about this for a while now. If you were to play a song from 2007 and a song from 2010, I'd easily be able to tell the two era's apart. 2007 felt like a completely different world from 2010 in terms of culture. Heck, even 2010 felt completely different from 2014, which was when the core 2010's started, and Instagram exploded in popularity. But if you were to play a pop song from 2017, I literally wouldn't be able to tell if it was released today or in 2017. This could be due to the fact that we haven't completely left the era yet, and the late 2010's are still very recent, but even the difference between 2008 and 2010 was bigger than the difference between 2018 and 2020. I can easily tell that a song was made in 2008. It sounds so distinguishable. I can't really say the same thing for 2018 and 2020. It's weird. I think saying 2017 music sounds the same as 2020 music is kind of an overstatement. I mean a lot of 2017 pop songs are distinct enough from the mainstream 2020 music. I don't think we are in the late 2010s, we are in a transitional period. 2017: 2020: I don't mean to say 2017 was exactly the same as 2020 music-wise, but more so that the change in music wasn't as drastic as the change between 2007 vs. 2010. Like I feel like there's a bigger difference between 2007 and 2010 when it comes to music.
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Post by mc98 on Oct 3, 2020 15:01:08 GMT 10
I think saying 2017 music sounds the same as 2020 music is kind of an overstatement. I mean a lot of 2017 pop songs are distinct enough from the mainstream 2020 music. I don't think we are in the late 2010s, we are in a transitional period. I don't mean to say 2017 was exactly the same as 2020 music-wise, but more so that the change in music wasn't as drastic as the change between 2007 vs. 2010. Like I feel like there's a bigger difference between 2007 and 2010 when it comes to music. Ah, I see what you mean. I guess I can agree with that
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 3, 2020 18:06:18 GMT 10
I noticed that popular culture has been moving pretty slowly ever since the internet took off.
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Post by daywatch on Oct 3, 2020 18:13:09 GMT 10
I think the 2000s was more changeful than then 2010s since it was the transition from 20th century life to 21st century life, you guys have pretty much explained why already.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 3, 2020 20:43:28 GMT 10
I think the 2000s was more changeful than then 2010s since it was the transition from 20th century life to 21st century life, you guys have pretty much explained why already. I don't know, the 2000s as a whole was already quite 21st century.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Oct 4, 2020 22:30:12 GMT 10
I know al has brought up this point before and the more I think about it, it's something I would definitely have to agree with. With social media and the internet in general having become so entrenched into our day-to-day lives over the past twenty-five years or so, it's much harder for trends to truly die off and disappear. If I want to find a meme that was popular back in 2012, I can do that. I can easily listen to music and read old internet comments from the year 2000 if I really wanted to as well. It's all on my smartphone device and laptop, it's there forever and it will forever be accessible to people. Our culture is different to what it was pre-internet. As the internet has gradually become more integral to our lives over time, the emphasis has instead shifted towards recycling old aesthetics/trends and remolding them into something new. If the 1950s-1980s were the "innovation" stage of pop cultural development, then the 1990s-now would be the "consolidation" stage; working with what has already been created. I mean, you only have to look at the current Top-40 charts to see how this is being put into practice. One of the biggest songs of 2020 ("Blinding Lights") is an '80s inspired new-wave track. There's also movies and television shows such as Wonder Woman 1984, Ready Player One and "Stranger Things" which purely exist out of a fondness for '80s pop culture. Would they exist if smartphones and social media simply weren't around? Most likely, no. It kind of makes me wonder what pop culture will look like in another ten or twenty years from now. Blade Runner 2049 predicted that the entire pop cultural sphere will revolve around the music, movies, trends etc. that were popular between the 1960s to now. People will still be listening to The Beatles or wearing denim jeans, for instance, in the year 2049. Maybe it seems somewhat far-fetched to think that future decades won't have unique trends and aesthetics of their own, although I do have a gut feeling that is the path we are heading towards. That will especially be the case once technology has evolved to the point where we can enter and even live in our own virtual worlds.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 5, 2020 9:21:14 GMT 10
I know al has brought up this point before and the more I think about it, it's something I would definitely have to agree with. With social media and the internet in general having become so entrenched into our day-to-day lives over the past twenty-five years or so, it's much harder for trends to truly die off and disappear. If I want to find a meme that was popular back in 2012, I can do that. I can easily listen to music and read old internet comments from the year 2000 if I really wanted to as well. It's all on my smartphone device and laptop, it's there forever and it will forever be accessible to people. Our culture is different to what it was pre-internet. As the internet has gradually become more integral to our lives over time, the emphasis has instead shifted towards recycling old aesthetics/trends and remolding them into something new. If the 1950s-1980s were the "innovation" stage of pop cultural development, then the 1990s-now would be the "consolidation" stage; working with what has already been created. I mean, you only have to look at the current Top-40 charts to see how this is being put into practice. One of the biggest songs of 2020 ("Blinding Lights") is an '80s inspired new-wave track. There's also movies and television shows such as Wonder Woman 1984, Ready Player One and "Stranger Things" which purely exist out of a fondness for '80s pop culture. Would they exist if smartphones and social media simply weren't around? Most likely, no. It kind of makes me wonder what pop culture will look like in another ten or twenty years from now. Blade Runner 2049 predicted that the entire pop cultural sphere will revolve around the music, movies, trends etc. that were popular between the 1960s to now. People will still be listening to The Beatles or wearing denim jeans, for instance, in the year 2049. Maybe it seems somewhat far-fetched to think that future decades won't have unique trends and aesthetics of their own, although I do have a gut feeling that is the path we are heading towards. That will especially be the case once technology has evolved to the point where we can enter and even live in our own virtual worlds. Definitely agree with this, I would say since about 1994ish that pop culture has been moving at a very slow pace.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 5, 2020 13:00:39 GMT 10
I know al has brought up this point before and the more I think about it, it's something I would definitely have to agree with. With social media and the internet in general having become so entrenched into our day-to-day lives over the past twenty-five years or so, it's much harder for trends to truly die off and disappear. If I want to find a meme that was popular back in 2012, I can do that. I can easily listen to music and read old internet comments from the year 2000 if I really wanted to as well. It's all on my smartphone device and laptop, it's there forever and it will forever be accessible to people. Our culture is different to what it was pre-internet. As the internet has gradually become more integral to our lives over time, the emphasis has instead shifted towards recycling old aesthetics/trends and remolding them into something new. If the 1950s-1980s were the "innovation" stage of pop cultural development, then the 1990s-now would be the "consolidation" stage; working with what has already been created. I mean, you only have to look at the current Top-40 charts to see how this is being put into practice. One of the biggest songs of 2020 ("Blinding Lights") is an '80s inspired new-wave track. There's also movies and television shows such as Wonder Woman 1984, Ready Player One and "Stranger Things" which purely exist out of a fondness for '80s pop culture. Would they exist if smartphones and social media simply weren't around? Most likely, no. It kind of makes me wonder what pop culture will look like in another ten or twenty years from now. Blade Runner 2049 predicted that the entire pop cultural sphere will revolve around the music, movies, trends etc. that were popular between the 1960s to now. People will still be listening to The Beatles or wearing denim jeans, for instance, in the year 2049. Maybe it seems somewhat far-fetched to think that future decades won't have unique trends and aesthetics of their own, although I do have a gut feeling that is the path we are heading towards. That will especially be the case once technology has evolved to the point where we can enter and even live in our own virtual worlds. Definitely agree with this, I would say since about 1994ish that pop culture has been moving at a very slow pace. I would agree in certain ways but there is still quite a big difference at some point during the mid or end of each of the years ; between 94, 98, 01, 05, 09. The 2010s feel much much slower with just tech upgrades or political/social tweaks or changes.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 5, 2020 13:16:10 GMT 10
Definitely agree with this, I would say since about 1994ish that pop culture has been moving at a very slow pace. I would agree in certain ways but there is still quite a big difference at some point during the mid or end of each of the years ; between 94, 98, 01, 05, 09. The 2010s feel much much slower with just tech upgrades or political/social tweaks or changes. Oh definitely, there have been cultural changes though, it does seem that each decade is less different from the previous. Like, I doubt that the 2020s are gonna be that much culturally different from 2010s. The 2000s without a doubt were more changeful and felt like they went for longer compared to the 2010s. Though, the gradual cultural slow down seems to have started in the mid 90s. Technology on the otherhand continued to advance at quite a good pace in the 2010s but, even in that category the 2000s were more changeful.
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