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Post by slashpop on Oct 5, 2020 13:33:40 GMT 10
I would agree in certain ways but there is still quite a big difference at some point during the mid or end of each of the years ; between 94, 98, 01, 05, 09. The 2010s feel much much slower with just tech upgrades or political/social tweaks or changes. Oh definitely, there have been cultural changes though, it does seem that each decade is less different from the previous. Like, I doubt that the 2020s are gonna be that much culturally different from 2010s. The 2000s without a doubt were more changeful and felt like they went for longer compared to the 2010s. Though, the gradual cultural slow down seems to have started in the mid 90s. Technology on the otherhand continued to advance at quite a good pace in the 2010s but, even in that category the 2000s were more changeful. Yeah then again the 1980s seem somewhat samey like 1983 to early 1988 are sometimes hard to tell apart. It could be a coincidence that the mid 1988 to 1999 were the most changeful and that a few periods in the 60s and 70s were.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 5, 2020 14:49:04 GMT 10
Oh definitely, there have been cultural changes though, it does seem that each decade is less different from the previous. Like, I doubt that the 2020s are gonna be that much culturally different from 2010s. The 2000s without a doubt were more changeful and felt like they went for longer compared to the 2010s. Though, the gradual cultural slow down seems to have started in the mid 90s. Technology on the otherhand continued to advance at quite a good pace in the 2010s but, even in that category the 2000s were more changeful. Yeah then again the 1980s seem somewhat samey like 1983 to early 1988 are sometimes hard to tell apart. It could be a coincidence that the mid 1988 to 1999 were the most changeful and that a few periods in the 60s and 70s were. You definitely have a point with the 80s. 1984 and 1987 are the exact same to me culturally speaking. 1987 and 1990 on the otherhand are very easy to culturally tell apart (the 90s culturally started in late 1989 in my opinion). In terms of technology though, the 80s as a whole were very changeful.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 5, 2020 18:13:27 GMT 10
Yeah then again the 1980s seem somewhat samey like 1983 to early 1988 are sometimes hard to tell apart. It could be a coincidence that the mid 1988 to 1999 were the most changeful and that a few periods in the 60s and 70s were. You definitely have a point with the 80s. 1984 and 1987 are the exact same to me culturally speaking. 1987 and 1990 on the otherhand are very easy to culturally tell apart (the 90s culturally started in late 1989 in my opinion). In terms of technology though, the 80s as a whole were very changeful. Yeah I agree the 90s start in late 1989. You had some people and notable elements of pop culture that was were still stuck or closer 1987-1988 but that doesn’t really change the shift imo. actually I felt tech was a bit slower from 1983 to 1991 or even 1994/1995. People tended to keep the same computers, home phones, appliances etc with occasion changes 4-7 years. I remember so many people had the same home phones, TVs, VCRs even dos PCs and nes in a year like 1993 from like the 70s to early or mid 80s. 1998ish was a giant reset button. Everything had to new or 2 years old max.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 5, 2020 19:26:29 GMT 10
You definitely have a point with the 80s. 1984 and 1987 are the exact same to me culturally speaking. 1987 and 1990 on the otherhand are very easy to culturally tell apart (the 90s culturally started in late 1989 in my opinion). In terms of technology though, the 80s as a whole were very changeful. Yeah I agree the 90s start in late 1989. You had some people and notable elements of pop culture that was were still stuck or closer 1987-1988 but that doesn’t really change the shift imo. actually I felt tech was a bit slower from 1983 to 1991 or even 1994/1995. People tended to keep the same computers, home phones, appliances etc with occasion changes 4-7 years. I remember so many people had the same home phones, TVs, VCRs even dos PCs and nes in a year like 1993 from like the 70s to early or mid 80s. 1998ish was a giant reset button. Everything had to new or 2 years old max. Definitely, people kept tech for so much longer. My grandparents got their first TV in 1951 and they had it as their main TV until 1969 (when they upgraded to color). Statistically, new technology used to take a lot longer to get a higher home adoption rate. The late 90s was when our attitudes towards technology became well... 21st century.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 5, 2020 19:54:17 GMT 10
Yeah I agree the 90s start in late 1989. You had some people and notable elements of pop culture that was were still stuck or closer 1987-1988 but that doesn’t really change the shift imo. actually I felt tech was a bit slower from 1983 to 1991 or even 1994/1995. People tended to keep the same computers, home phones, appliances etc with occasion changes 4-7 years. I remember so many people had the same home phones, TVs, VCRs even dos PCs and nes in a year like 1993 from like the 70s to early or mid 80s. 1998ish was a giant reset button. Everything had to new or 2 years old max. Definitely, people kept tech for so much longer. My grandparents got their first TV in 1951 and they had it as their main TV until 1969 (when they upgraded to color). Statistically, new technology used to take a lot longer to get a higher home adoption rate. The late 90s was when our attitudes towards technology became well... 21st century. You could argue that that holding onto stuff for longest time until they are no longer useful at all may lasted anywhere from 1997-1998 until 2000 or so. By 2001-2003 very very little people were like that. Usually older people or people who truly couldn’t afford stuff. Anything more than 2 years old was very dated in almost anything by then. I think this carried into the 2000s. I remember people hating or rejecting anything that was barely old. I think this is partially why it took so long for 80s and 90s nostagia too enter the mainstream as well. Also in the early 2000s there was like no acknowledgement of what the 90s had to offer, at among the number of people I knew it wasn’t interesting or cool to talk too much about the past. It was almost like something shouldn’t be discussed.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 5, 2020 20:21:53 GMT 10
Definitely, people kept tech for so much longer. My grandparents got their first TV in 1951 and they had it as their main TV until 1969 (when they upgraded to color). Statistically, new technology used to take a lot longer to get a higher home adoption rate. The late 90s was when our attitudes towards technology became well... 21st century. You could argue that that holding onto stuff for longest time until they are no longer useful at all may lasted anywhere from 1997-1998 until 2000 or so. By 2001-2003 very very little people were like that. Usually older people or people who truly couldn’t afford stuff. Anything more than 2 years old was very dated in almost anything by then. I think this carried into the 2000s. I remember people hating or rejecting anything that was barely old. I think this is partially why it took so long for 80s and 90s nostagia too enter the mainstream as well. Also in the early 2000s there was like no acknowledgement of what the 90s had to offer, at among the number of people I knew it wasn’t interesting or cool to talk too much about the past. It was almost like something shouldn’t be discussed. People used stuff until it was completely toast back in the day, even if something was clearly broken people will always find a way to squeeze as much life out of it as possible. Such as hitting the side of an old TV until it started working again lmao. My grandparents are definitely like this. The 1990s seemed to be more transitional when it came to our attitudes towards technology, you are probably right that our modern attitudes towards tech did not become full steam until 2001ish. People in the early 2000s used to think it was so strange to be into old stuff, if not collecting old stuff meanwhile, it was a very common 'hipster' thing in the 2010s. Though, I do find it interesting that around the time we started developing our modern attitudes towards technology and the internet becoming a necessary part of everyday life, pop culture started to slow down in terms of change.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 5, 2020 21:04:41 GMT 10
You could argue that that holding onto stuff for longest time until they are no longer useful at all may lasted anywhere from 1997-1998 until 2000 or so. By 2001-2003 very very little people were like that. Usually older people or people who truly couldn’t afford stuff. Anything more than 2 years old was very dated in almost anything by then. I think this carried into the 2000s. I remember people hating or rejecting anything that was barely old. I think this is partially why it took so long for 80s and 90s nostagia too enter the mainstream as well. Also in the early 2000s there was like no acknowledgement of what the 90s had to offer, at among the number of people I knew it wasn’t interesting or cool to talk too much about the past. It was almost like something shouldn’t be discussed. People used stuff until it was completely toast back in the day, even if something was clearly broken people will always find a way to squeeze as much life out of it as possible. Such as hitting the side of an old TV until it started working again lmao. My grandparents are definitely like this. The 1990s seemed to be more transitional when it came to our attitudes towards technology, you are probably right that our modern attitudes towards tech did not become full steam until 2001ish. People in the early 2000s used to think it was so strange to be into old stuff, if not collecting old stuff meanwhile, it was a very common 'hipster' thing in the 2010s. Though, I do find it interesting that around the time we started developing our modern attitudes towards technology and the internet becoming a necessary part of everyday life, pop culture started to slow down in terms of change. That’s true. I think another aspect that caused pop culture to change more frequently with such stark differences earlier on was that fact people had much stronger drive and ambition to create something new because they weren’t sedated with technology, media and internet, this was to change something for the better, get famous or be revolutionary. The leaders of change would pop out more often. Sure that happens how but there there some things that aren’t comparable to the kinds of shifts in the 1960s to the 1990s due to this. I think lack of technology and lack of archiving the past online and a business dynamic where certain kinds talent amounted to stardom or success is a huge factor in increasing change. I think the internet may have changed things for the better in certain ways but it also had it drawbacks in terms of contributing to some things slowing down and staying stuck.
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Post by al on Oct 6, 2020 10:29:03 GMT 10
I know I’ve brought this stuff up before, but I think we can see some of this following the Product Adoption Curve:  Except rather than necessarily applying to a singular product or company even, we could look at on a grander scale. For example, something like smart phones may be on the Laggard part of the curve today, though ten years ago they may have still been in the Early Adopters area. This is an area where we have seen a rapid change semi recently, whereas say, internet, lies approximately a decade ahead and has sat on the right for a while. Meanwhile, there various things than can be done on the internet/on smart phones that exist in every placement. To take it more conceptually, let’s look at Rock n’ Roll. We all know how and when it took and sustained its popularity, but what exactly contributed to its demise within the past decade or two is what’s up for debate. Despite not being any current force, it’s still around; there’s something that’s so ubiquitous about rock and the whole culture that accompanies it. I will pose the question of whether we are so past the point of attracting Laggards (the original fans are aging, and as we discussed in a thread about the 00’s, it at that time was made highly accessible to children) that we are living in a totally rock adopted society. At this point, I’d say we have reached a position where have reached adoption of most of the advancements (and many cultural positions) of the mid and late twentieth century. Particularly when it comes to “aesthetic post-modernism”. There often haven’t yet been things to directly replace them, or there have been more things added on, made better, or coexisting. Even where there have been outright changes, they haven’t been so visually conspicuous. ie: Nobody wanted a 1980 house in 2000, but having a 2000 looking house in 2020 isn’t so bad, as long as you have wifi, and maybe got rid of your tube TV. Right now, functionally how we do things is what’s changing significantly, and we’d probably have to go back quite a bit further to see a real comparison to that. TLDR; much our culture is either near “adoption“ or some fully adopted things are being recycled
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Post by Telso on Oct 14, 2020 22:57:13 GMT 10
but having a 2000 looking house in 2020 isn’t so bad I dunno about that. It all looks very tacky to me:   
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Post by kev2000sfan on Oct 15, 2020 0:04:58 GMT 10
I agree in a sense, 2017-2020 aren't completely identical, but still similar. The slowing of the culture has something to do with technology advancement that reverses the affect. Its a lame def, but the culture would by way different if technology wasn't so rapid.
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Post by al on Oct 17, 2020 0:37:06 GMT 10
I dunno about that. It all looks very tacky to me: LOL at least most people just painted their walls beige instead of doing the striped accent wall HGTV said was very chic. My local furniture stores still stock those puffy 90's couches. I guess somebody buys them?
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