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Post by pumpkin14 on Nov 28, 2020 21:33:10 GMT 10
Sometimes the last year of a decade feels culturally more like the decade that follows it. Which one do you think feels more like the following decade instead of its own?
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 28, 2020 22:04:46 GMT 10
This is a bit of a tough one. I would personally go with 1999.
1999 is kind of an interesting year actually. People tend to heavily associate it with stereotypical Y2K-era trends such as frosted tips, bubblegum-pop and artists like Britney Spears, to the extent where 1999 is seen by many as being a 'textbook example' of what the Y2K-era was actually like. However, if you look beneath the surface, it actually had a significant amount of ties with the core '90s and I get the impression that 1999 followed a similar trajectory to what 2009 did when it came to pop cultural changes.
Based on the pictures and videos I have seen, the music I have listened to, and the general timeline of emerging/established trends, early 1999 was more culturally similar to 1997/1998 and had much greater ties with the mid '90s. Alt-rock was still commonplace on the charts (Eagle Eye Cherry, Hole etc.) and the fashion aesthetics of the time were still more earthy and 'grungy'. Honestly, early 1999 doesn't seem very Y2K to me at all, even if nu-metal was already on the charts by then and Pokemania took off around the time I was born.
However, the reason why I have gone with 1999 in the end, is because i'm sure the proliferation of teen-pop, nu-metal, bubblegum-pop and Y2K-era culture in general, must have made the year feel noticeably removed from the mid '90s. It did set up the cultural 2000s in quite a number of ways.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 28, 2020 22:49:05 GMT 10
None really, they all follow the same trend of mostly belonging in the decade they are in but, with a lot of culture from the next decade emerging.
1979 was 70s for the most part but, it was a heavily transitional year. Core 70s culture was mostly killed off by very late 1979 and things already resembled the early 80s (1980 - 1983).
1989 was mostly 80s still but, with a few 90s things about it (especially late 1989), same can apply to 1988 though. 1990 was also mostly 80s until about August.
1999 was a lot more 90s than people give it credit for but, anything from 1990 - early/mid 1997 already felt old at the time. Mid/late 1997 & 1998 on the otherhand felt very recent and connected.
2009 is also a lot more 2000s than people give it credit for. The pop culture was mostly 2000s with a few 2010s stuff thrown in the mix. The main thing that seperates the late 2000s (2007 - 2009) from the early 2000s is actually the technology (the pop culture really wasn't that different). The tech of the late 00s was much more like the 2010s than the early 2000s.
2019 definitely felt more 2010s, specifically late 2010s. The best way to describe 2019 is that it was a slightly edited version of 2017/2018 but, with Tik Tok as a big cultural influence.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Nov 28, 2020 23:47:19 GMT 10
1999 - I personally consider the Y2K era (IMO - 1998-2001) to be both an era of the Late 90s and to be the proto-2000s, with '99 and '00 as the core and '98 and '01 having more late 90s and early 00s influences respectively. Of course, a lot of 2000s things were set up in the 1999 and if you listen to hip hop songs (my main "expertise") from that year like "Forgot About Dre" and "Da Rockwilder", they sound like they could come out as late as 2004. Of course, Eminem also became popular in 1999. R&B from '99 and '00 is honestly even different from '98 and '01, Sisqo for example.
2009 - a lot different than both 2007 and 2011. Yes, it is the year that electropop exploded but it wasn't until Late 2009 that it really came into it's own with songs like "TiK ToK" coming out. In Early 2009, there were songs like "Boom Boom Pow" which sounded dated by 2011. What I'll say is that the first half of '09 is more like the 2000s, but not "Core" 2000s (2001/02-2007/08), more like an "epilogue" to it, and the second half feels like the real start of Early 2010s pop culture.
2019 - definitely more connected to the decade it's in than the two "9" years before it. 2017-2019 feels like one solid era, the Late 2010s. Music-wise it's still very connected to the 2010s, except for the fact that EDM was mostly gone and maybe being a transition year for hip hop and trap, which in 2020 is already different from the 2010s with more guitar-influenced and bouncier beats. Obviously, there was no COVID-19, which will ultimately become a huge influence for the early 2020s if not the whole decade even after a vaccine (effects on the economy, social events, etc). In November 2020, 2019 already feels very distant and not like it was only last year.
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Post by mc98 on Nov 29, 2020 0:20:38 GMT 10
1979 - The year was still visibly 70s but there are aspects that have more ties to 1980-82 than 1975-78 such as arcade games.
1989 - A lot of the core 80s elements began to disappear. The 80s-style synths became more industrial in 1989. Fashion had more muted tones in contrast to the pastel coloring from 1984-87.
1999 - The year does feel late 90s in the early part, but by the summer it's starting to have a unique atmosphere from 1997/98. The internet was being more used and mentioned in media than ever before. R&B in 1999 has this shuffle-y percussion and pop-y vibe that is different from the funky and smooth R&B from 1994-98.
2009 - I would definitely say this year stood out from the rest of the 2000s, maybe with the exception of 2008. The Blackberry was sorta like a transitional device between flip phone and smartphones. The iPod touch had features like a smartphone that many people own. Electropop was topping the charts but it didn't became standard until the fall of 2009.
2019 - Yeah, this does feel more connected with the 2010s despite being watered-down and distinct. It was the year before Covid-19 and Donald Trump was president throughout the entire year. TikTok is one of the aspects that is unique from the rest of the 2010s.
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Post by Telso on Nov 29, 2020 1:06:03 GMT 10
1969 by WIDE margin.
But out of the poll, I guess 1999 was pretty unique with the millennium scare/obsession at its peak.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 29, 2020 1:21:18 GMT 10
Most to least
1999
1969
1989
1979
2009
1959
2019
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Post by John Titor on Nov 29, 2020 2:14:55 GMT 10
2009
Also something to note, I made a thread the other day about Electropop and Dance pop in 2007, during the period of 2007-2008 electropop was already trickling in on the radio slowly behind the scenes, by 2008 more and more came with Gaga and by 2009 it became standard, so it's not like it was this overnight thing.
By the time we got to mid 2009, Circuit City, Kb toys, TRL, Toonami, pop punk were dead for the most part, Scene was on it's very last legs on the trend states, California, NewYork etc. Hipster was becoming a force. We also had the recession effects in full force with popular mall stores closing down and people losing jobs.
Yes the 2009 has the 2000s DNA to some extent kicking and screaming, but.... it was a far cry from 2001-2007 or for that matter 2008.
2009 will forever be the Epilogue year of the 2000s, the residue and after effects.
the vibe I felt in fall 2001 (was in 8th grade in 2001 btw for perspective ) was not there in 2009 at all
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 10:18:57 GMT 10
1969 by WIDE margin. But out of the poll, I guess 1999 was pretty unique with the millennium scare/obsession at its peak. I was about to say this. 1969 should have been an option. The '70s had pretty much already begun by that point and it was very different from say 1965 or 66.
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