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Post by rainbow on Dec 2, 2020 3:02:34 GMT 10
By “socially” I mean like in terms of social attitudes, if that makes sense. Like would you say there was more social change / progress between 2000-2010 or 2010-2020?
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Post by rainbow on Dec 2, 2020 3:07:47 GMT 10
Personally, I feel like 2010 is socially closer to 2000 than 2020 IMO. Even though 2010 may not have been as conservative as the 2000’s, there was still an overall anti-P.C attitude. Plus things like Black Lives Matter didn’t exist yet. Words like “gay” were still being used as insults, and boys were still made fun of for liking “girly” things. A good example is all the Justin Bieber hate that was present back in 2009-2011. But I feel like that stuff doesn’t happen as much in 2020 anymore. IMO there was much more social change between 2010-2020 than 2000-2010.
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Post by daywatch on Dec 2, 2020 4:20:41 GMT 10
Yeah, we are living in the most accepting times in history.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 2, 2020 11:44:50 GMT 10
2020.
I remember 2010 was around the time climate change really started to become a key issue in the media, especially after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. There was even a huge push to ban all BP petrol stations in Australia in the months after it happened. I can remember it so well, people felt very passionate about it and seeing those images on the news of turtles, birds etc. covered in oil really hit people hard. Also, Julia Gillard (Australia's PM at the time) proposed and legislated a carbon tax that reduced the amount of carbon dioxide emissions, which caused a lot of debate in the media and among voters. Environmentalism had definitely become a huge talking point among people by 2010.
Honestly, 2010 really isn't comparable to any period of time prior to the second-half of 2008. I'm actually quite surprised to see that a few people have voted for 2000. I get the Justin Bieber hate and words like "fa**ot", "gay" etc. still being used as insults by kids/teens (though not as much as they had been a few years prior), but that's school-based culture. Adults generally weren't using those terms or acting in that manner.
Sure, there were still some ways to go in regards to some issues, but 2010 was by and large a progressive time. A lot of social progress had been made even when compared to 2005, let alone 2000.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Dec 2, 2020 12:57:05 GMT 10
Despite covid, definitely more like 2020. 2010 was already a progressive year, gay marriage/rights had a lot of momentum and Weed legalisation was picking up a lot of steam. Also, a lot of controversial 2010s social movements had their seeds planted in 2010 (MGTOW, Alt-Right...). Also, we had a black president.
Contrast that to the socially conservative year 2000 (which was still a lot more connected to the Reagan era than the new-right we have today). Homophobia was also still quite bad (no where near bad as the 80s atleast but, still bad).
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Post by Telso on Dec 3, 2020 18:16:31 GMT 10
I mean 2000 (and the 2000s in the general) was socially far more progressive than people here seem to give it credit for. We went from homosexuality still being considered a disease by the WHO in 1990 to the first positive TV representations of gay people and the very first of many countries allowing gay marriage (the Netherlands) in 2000. While in contrast, 2010 was still eons away from the fight for minorities and trans-friendly era that is 2020.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 3, 2020 21:59:36 GMT 10
Despite covid, definitely more like 2020. 2010 was already a proggressive year, gay marriage/rights had a lot of momentum and Weed legalisation was picking up a lot of steam. Also, a lot of controversial 2010s social movements had their seeds planted in 2010 (MGTOW, Alt-Right...). Also, we had a black president. Contrast that to the socially conservative year 2000 (which was still a lot more connected to the Reagan era than the new-right we have today). Homophobia was also still quite bad (no where near bad as the 80s atleast but, still bad). I’m not sure the 1980s were as bad as it seems, even though there was homophobia it was probably more of a link to the fear of AIDS, misinformation and traditionalism. You could be straight and get away with light makeup, overly stylized and teased hair, tight clothing, feminine colors ( hot pink ) etc and since there were enough people looking like that in one way or another it wasn’t necessarily likely you would be mocked or even necessarily assumed to be gay. I think this is true to a lesser extent in the 1970s. This is a huge difference compared to other eras. Also people skip this over but early to mid 2000s did bring more acceptance of girls dressing more revealing and among women, more acceptance bisexuality and to some extent lesbianism.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Dec 3, 2020 22:22:28 GMT 10
Despite covid, definitely more like 2020. 2010 was already a proggressive year, gay marriage/rights had a lot of momentum and Weed legalisation was picking up a lot of steam. Also, a lot of controversial 2010s social movements had their seeds planted in 2010 (MGTOW, Alt-Right...). Also, we had a black president. Contrast that to the socially conservative year 2000 (which was still a lot more connected to the Reagan era than the new-right we have today). Homophobia was also still quite bad (no where near bad as the 80s atleast but, still bad). I’m not sure the 1980s were as bad as it seems, even though there was homophobia it was probably more of a link to the fear of AIDS, misinformation and traditionalism. You could be straight and get away with light makeup, overly stylized and teased hair, tight clothing, feminine colors ( hot pink ) etc and since there were enough people looking like that in one way or another it wasn’t necessarily likely you would be mocked or even necessarily assumed to be gay. I think this is true to a lesser extent in the 1970s. This is a huge difference compared to other eras. Also people skip this over but early to mid 2000s did bring more acceptance of girls dressing more revealing and more acceptance bisexuality and to some extent lesbianism among women. For the 80s, I am going entirely to what I have heard (my dad says it was really bad) but, you are absolutely right that aids probably fueled the homophobia of that decade. Being gay was legit called a disease back then. I think by the late 80s it became obvious to most people that it wasn't exclusive to gays (my dad recalls pretty much most people saying that only gays could get the disease at the time). Lol, I remember the really revealing clothes girls used to wear in the early 2000s (specifically 1999 - 2003). A lot of girls at the time were trying to mimic pop stars such as Britney Spears & Christina Aguilera. The fashion became more covered up around 2004/05ish. Lesbians became accepted a lot earlier than gay guys did without a doubt too. I think people such as Ellen really helped lesbianism to become more accepted in the late 90s (she was thought of a lot more highly back then lol). On a different topic, I really think that the conservatism of the 1980s had a pretty long lasting affect on society that bleed into the 1990s and the early-mid 2000s. When I look back, I don't think that society had FULLY detached itself from the Reagan era until the late 00s. I probably might be wrong here but, that's my take.
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Post by sman12 on Dec 4, 2020 0:50:02 GMT 10
It's more like 2020 imo, even with COVID-19 in our mist. 2010 had the Tea Party movement (a precursor of the mid-late 2010s New Right), Facebook becoming the most popular social media site in the world, Obamacare being passed (which is still mostly in use today), more LGBT acceptance than 2000, and smartphones were on the rise (although not the majority mobile product yet).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 15:07:03 GMT 10
Despite covid, definitely more like 2020. 2010 was already a proggressive year, gay marriage/rights had a lot of momentum and Weed legalisation was picking up a lot of steam. Also, a lot of controversial 2010s social movements had their seeds planted in 2010 (MGTOW, Alt-Right...). Also, we had a black president. Contrast that to the socially conservative year 2000 (which was still a lot more connected to the Reagan era than the new-right we have today). Homophobia was also still quite bad (no where near bad as the 80s atleast but, still bad). Reagan/Bush nostalgia was a big part of what fueled George W. Bush's presidential run in 2000. Conservative Christians hated Bill Clinton and Al Gore. And I'd say the modern right started with Sarah Palin. She was the beginning of the blatantly anti-intellectual, conspiracy-minded GOP we have today.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 5, 2020 18:52:34 GMT 10
I mean 2000 (and the 2000s in the general) was socially far more progressive than people here seem to give it credit for. We went from homosexuality still being considered a disease by the WHO in 1990 to the first positive TV representations of gay people and the very first of many countries allowing gay marriage (the Netherlands) in 2000. I would agree that the 2000s were more socially progressive than people tend to give them credit for, however with that said, I also think you're over-exaggerating how progressive attitudes were at the start of the decade. In 1997, Ellen DeGeneres came out as a lesbian on her sitcom and it sparked a huge amount of controversy, so much so that ABC placed a parental advisory at the beginning of each episode from that point on. Ratings quickly declined and the show was ultimately cancelled just one year later. The Netherlands legalising same-sex marriage way back in 2000 is a great outcome of course, but that doesn't necessarily reflect the social attitudes many Western people had towards gay people at that time. For the reaction to a celebrity coming out of the closet to have been that divisive a mere three years before the year 2000 itself, its fair to suggest that social attitudes among the general population wouldn't have changed too dramatically over the course of those three years. I really couldn't picture an incident like that happening in 2010 and especially not now in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 11:35:23 GMT 10
I mean 2000 (and the 2000s in the general) was socially far more progressive than people here seem to give it credit for. We went from homosexuality still being considered a disease by the WHO in 1990 to the first positive TV representations of gay people and the very first of many countries allowing gay marriage (the Netherlands) in 2000. While in contrast, 2010 was still eons away from the fight for minorities and trans-friendly era that is 2020. Ontario, Canada almost legalized it in 1995 but due to political machinations it wasn't meant to be. 😢 In January 2001 there were several gay weddings that took place and the courts recognized them as legitimate, and thankfully it paved the way for full legalization by 2003.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 6, 2020 19:16:15 GMT 10
I’m not sure the 1980s were as bad as it seems, even though there was homophobia it was probably more of a link to the fear of AIDS, misinformation and traditionalism. You could be straight and get away with light makeup, overly stylized and teased hair, tight clothing, feminine colors ( hot pink ) etc and since there were enough people looking like that in one way or another it wasn’t necessarily likely you would be mocked or even necessarily assumed to be gay. I think this is true to a lesser extent in the 1970s. This is a huge difference compared to other eras. Also people skip this over but early to mid 2000s did bring more acceptance of girls dressing more revealing and more acceptance bisexuality and to some extent lesbianism among women. For the 80s, I am going entirely to what I have heard (my dad says it was really bad) but, you are absolutely right that aids probably fueled the homophobia of that decade. Being gay was legit called a disease back then. I think by the late 80s it became obvious to most people that it wasn't exclusive to gays (my dad recalls pretty much most people saying that only gays could get the disease at the time). Lol, I remember the really revealing clothes girls used to wear in the early 2000s (specifically 1999 - 2003). A lot of girls at the time were trying to mimic pop stars such as Britney Spears & Christina Aguilera. The fashion became more covered up around 2004/05ish. Lesbians became accepted a lot earlier than gay guys did without a doubt too. I think people such as Ellen really helped lesbianism to become more accepted in the late 90s (she was thought of a lot more highly back then lol). On a different topic, I really think that the conservatism of the 1980s had a pretty long lasting affect on society that bleed into the 1990s and the early-mid 2000s. When I look back, I don't think that society had FULLY detached itself from the Reagan era until the late 00s. I probably might be wrong here but, that's my take. But on the otherhand you could be straight and likely barely worry for being called gay in the 80s when you dressed in tight clothing, pink shirts, or sprayed hair etc because there were enough people doing that and people weren't hung up about that or think it was connected to your orientation. It seems that the 2000s were quite the opposite. Also that style was common among pop stars and everyday looks. So while reagan influence may had a lasting effect to some extent, possibly influencing sexuality in general, I don't think it was that extreme. Also there was a period from 1992 to 2000ish where there was a sort of neo-liberalism and openmindedness regarding sex and sexuality in general compared to the 80s and 00s. Casual sex, in general for anyone, may have been bigger then actually (its hard to compare without a study) movies like KIDS sort of hint at this this and a lot of movies from the mid 90s if you've noticed, there was a dark side to it with AIDS scare at the same time. Even though awareness/rights weren't what they are today it seems.You also see more of an acceptance of androgynous looks in both men and women in this time and gender bending, for example men could get away with wearing make up, a 12-17 year old straight male could wear black lipstick and nail polish to school and much more likely away with it which was much riskier in 00s. Also lesbians and gays seemed like something people were more likely to just go along with. 2000s was bit less tolerant but still ok I would guess. I think stuff really changes when you go back to the 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s. Honestly I feel even before trump a lot of early to mid 2010s may have been more open minded on the surface, there seemed to be a monoculture when you really look at it where the 90s was the opposite. Modern 2010s hipster looks seem loosely connected to alpha male culture with the necessity of facial hair and short or uniform hair, I can't imagine what a group of hipster of 2013 who look alike would think of a male wearing black lipstick and swooshy 90s hair. Also women in the early 2010s seemed more prudish, even fashion wise, to some extent and also not everyone had the exact same same super progressive views at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 23:53:53 GMT 10
^^^ The 2000s were an awful time to be in the closet because straight guys were so hung up on not looking gay. So, if you were insecure about your sexuality it wasn't fun because it was actually very difficult to not get accused of being gay for something. Yet, you always had the hot jocks acting gayer than any gay guys with each other and they could get away with it.
There is still an element of that in 2020 though. In fall 2019, before shutdown, I was with some friends at a brewery and the conversation went to wine and one of them said something about how straight men should never drink wine together because that's gay.
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