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Post by slashpop on Dec 14, 2020 20:03:37 GMT 10
I think from the 70s to some point in the 2000s it seemed like things whether games, tech or trends, would come out in Japan first and take a sometime to come to NA/Europe and the rest of the world, and they were always perceived as being ahead. I sensed that this slowed down or changed a bit at some point but I can't pinpoint what caused it and when it happened.
What do you think caused this to slow down and why?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 14:53:39 GMT 10
I think from the 70s to some point in the 2000s it seemed like things whether games, tech or trends, would come out in Japan first and take a sometime to come to NA/Europe and the rest of the world, and they were always perceived as being ahead. I sensed that this slowed down or changed a bit at some point but I can't pinpoint what caused it and when it happened. What do you think caused this to slow down and why? The decline of Japan was actually in the 90s, but they still had that cutting edge reputation here in the U.S. well into the '00s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decade_(Japan)
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 15, 2020 15:15:43 GMT 10
I would say it happened sometime during the early 2010s or thereabouts. Japan were definitely still leading the way during the late 2000s at least, thanks to the success of Pokemon: Diamond & Pearl, the "Bakugan" series, Nintendo's Gameboy Advance and DS line of consoles, as well as of course, the Nintendo Wii.
As for why the perception has changed? My guess is that it can simply be put down to other countries "picking up their game" so to speak and the entertainment industry in general becoming increasingly fragmented. When smartphones started to become commonplace circa 2011, Samsung (a South Korean company) and HTC (a Taiwanese company) very quickly rose in sales and the former became so popular that they challenged Apple to become the dominant player in the market. There was no well-known Japanese smartphone brand, nor was there a popular social media site or app founded in Japan. Whereas in the past they were often the innovators in revolutionary new trends, Japan really didn't play any part (at least not on face value) in the emergence of both smartphones and social media.
Japan is definitely still a major trendsetter in the West, however their overall level of influence on new and emerging trends feels less substantial as they no longer have a monopoly over the market. They're never going to have the same effect on Western pop culture as the world itself has become too diversified now. When the Nintendo Wii was first released, there were no smartphones, social media had yet to become widely adopted by the generic public, and both China and South Korea weren't as influential on Western pop culture. We're living in a completely different world now. The monoculture is a thing of the past.
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Post by 10slover on Jun 18, 2021 18:38:02 GMT 10
You mean in video games? Music? Fashion? Tech? Economy?
Japan lost most of it's economic power in the 90s when the japanese asset bubble burst, from then on Japan gradually lost it's cultural power.
Until the very early 90s (i believe 91) Japan was a threat to the US's hegemony, similar to China today (tho much more friendly).
Late 90s to today have been a slump for Japan's economy, I'd say Japan lost it's edge in the mid 2000s.
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Post by xamo on Jun 19, 2021 15:32:16 GMT 10
It depends in what area. Japanese consumer technology isn't what it was in the 80s-00s, but it's still top 5 along with US, Chinese, Korean, and Taiwanese tech. In terms of video games, it's actually the third largest market, behind the American and Chinese markets, and in terms of exports it's much more important than China and rivals the US. I would say in general mid 2000s is when Japan stopped being a trendsetter in music/fashion. South Korea has largely replaced them as the cultural powerhouse of Asia. Overtime I think Japan will re-emerge as younger generations (who happen to be more global-oriented and diverse) take the torch.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 20, 2021 1:57:43 GMT 10
It depends in what area. Japanese consumer technology isn't what it was in the 80s-00s, but it's still top 5 along with US, Chinese, Korean, and Taiwanese tech. In terms of video games, it's actually the third largest market, behind the American and Chinese markets, and in terms of exports it's much more important than China and rivals the US. I would say in general mid 2000s is when Japan stopped being a trendsetter in music/fashion. South Korea has largely replaced them as the cultural powerhouse of Asia. Overtime I think Japan will re-emerge as younger generations (who happen to be more global-oriented and diverse) take the torch. where have u been, haven't posted since 2019 
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Post by xamo on Jun 20, 2021 20:11:01 GMT 10
Covid changed my life, but now things are settling down. Good to see you’re still active 
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Post by astropoug on Apr 29, 2022 17:22:40 GMT 10
Japan I would say was still pretty damn innovative all the way up into the early 2000s. It’s telling in my opinion that the Japanese were effectively the creators of 2000s cell phone culture (cameras, ringtones, etc.), yet 2010s smartphone culture is purely a product of North America.
I’d really say the shift from a consumer electronics focused world like we had from the 80s to 2000s, to the more app/social media/smartphone/streaming based culture of the 2010s however is what really screwed Japanese companies over, since it was mostly American companies leading the shift (Apple, Netflix, Google, Facebook)
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Post by astropoug on Apr 29, 2022 17:28:25 GMT 10
Japan I would say was still pretty damn innovative all the way up into the early 2000s. It’s telling in my opinion that the Japanese were effectively the creators of 2000s cell phone culture (cameras, ringtones, etc.), yet 2010s smartphone culture is purely a product of North America. I’d really say the shift from a consumer electronics focused world like we had from the 80s to 2000s, to the more app/social media/smartphone/streaming based culture of the 2010s however is what really screwed Japanese companies over, since it was mostly American companies leading the shift (Apple, Netflix, Google, Facebook) By consumer electronics I mean things like CD/DVD players, VCRs, video game consoles, TVs, Walkman, boomboxes and stereo systems, camcorders, that kind of thing. It can be argued Japanese influence was already waning with the launch of MP3 players like the iPod in the 2000s, a market Japanese companies simply didn’t do as well in compared to portable cassette/CD players. It’s precisely for that reason I’ve always viewed the 90s in particular as the peak decade of Japanese tech influence, and also far and away the decade where gaming was also most influenced by Japanese companies. I think the late 90s/early 00s was the absolute peak of Japanese everything honestly. Tech, anime, even aesthetics.
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Post by 10slover on Apr 29, 2022 23:46:06 GMT 10
Japan I would say was still pretty damn innovative all the way up into the early 2000s. It’s telling in my opinion that the Japanese were effectively the creators of 2000s cell phone culture (cameras, ringtones, etc.), yet 2010s smartphone culture is purely a product of North America. I’d really say the shift from a consumer electronics focused world like we had from the 80s to 2000s, to the more app/social media/smartphone/streaming based culture of the 2010s however is what really screwed Japanese companies over, since it was mostly American companies leading the shift (Apple, Netflix, Google, Facebook) 2010s smartphone culture is mostly chinese and south korean, has been this way since the early 10s.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 30, 2022 0:45:04 GMT 10
Japan I would say was still pretty damn innovative all the way up into the early 2000s. It’s telling in my opinion that the Japanese were effectively the creators of 2000s cell phone culture (cameras, ringtones, etc.), yet 2010s smartphone culture is purely a product of North America. I’d really say the shift from a consumer electronics focused world like we had from the 80s to 2000s, to the more app/social media/smartphone/streaming based culture of the 2010s however is what really screwed Japanese companies over, since it was mostly American companies leading the shift (Apple, Netflix, Google, Facebook) 2010s smartphone culture is mostly chinese and south korean, has been this way since the early 10s. Yeah but it was created by Apple, and here in the States, it’s Apple that young people worship.
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Post by 10slover on Apr 30, 2022 2:49:26 GMT 10
2010s smartphone culture is mostly chinese and south korean, has been this way since the early 10s. Yeah but it was created by Apple, and here in the States, it’s Apple that young people worship. Smartphones were not created by Apple, i do agree apple created smartphone culture But either way, chinese and south korean smartphone brands still sell way more than Apple in pretty much the rest of the world
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Post by astropoug on Apr 30, 2022 3:11:11 GMT 10
Yeah but it was created by Apple, and here in the States, it’s Apple that young people worship. Smartphones were not created by Apple, i do agree apple created smartphone culture But either way, chinese and south korean smartphone brands still sell way more than Apple in pretty much the rest of the world My point still stands. Japanese companies have been hit hard by the shift toward app/smartphone/streaming culture. Companies like Sony did well when physical media was in its prime during the 80s - 00s. I distinctly remember in the 90s when CD players and VCRs were in their prime. EVERYTHING was made in Japan. Companies like Sony, Panasonic, and JVC flourished in that kind of market. Almost every TV made in the 80s - early 00s seemed to be Japanese too, with companies like Sony, JVC, Panasonic, and Sharp being the most prolific when I was a kid. Sony in particular were EVERYWHERE in the 90s, especially the late 90s when the PlayStation became huge. Their success continued into the early 00s with the PS2, also the last era CD players were popular. Because optical media was at its peak in the early 00s, and the PS2 was huge, I consider the early 00s to be the peak of Sony. And then they fell hard after that.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 30, 2022 4:13:08 GMT 10
Smartphones were not created by Apple, i do agree apple created smartphone culture But either way, chinese and south korean smartphone brands still sell way more than Apple in pretty much the rest of the world My point still stands. Japanese companies have been hit hard by the shift toward app/smartphone/streaming culture. Companies like Sony did well when physical media was in its prime during the 80s - 00s. I distinctly remember in the 90s when CD players and VCRs were in their prime. EVERYTHING was made in Japan. Companies like Sony, Panasonic, and JVC flourished in that kind of market. Almost every TV made in the 80s - early 00s seemed to be Japanese too, with companies like Sony, JVC, Panasonic, and Sharp being the most prolific when I was a kid. Sony in particular were EVERYWHERE in the 90s, especially the late 90s when the PlayStation became huge. Their success continued into the early 00s with the PS2, also the last era CD players were popular. Because optical media was at its peak in the early 00s, and the PS2 was huge, I consider the early 00s to be the peak of Sony. And then they fell hard after that. this is true, Sony was like a "cool" brand up until like 03 ( ironically when Xbox started gaining serious steam) and when Itunes came out for Windows XP. You still had Sony stuff that people went Gaga over like PSP ( which had massive hype when it came out) Bravia HD TV & it's VAIO laptops. But in general 03 is the peak of Sony as a company
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Post by astropoug on Apr 30, 2022 4:40:09 GMT 10
My point still stands. Japanese companies have been hit hard by the shift toward app/smartphone/streaming culture. Companies like Sony did well when physical media was in its prime during the 80s - 00s. I distinctly remember in the 90s when CD players and VCRs were in their prime. EVERYTHING was made in Japan. Companies like Sony, Panasonic, and JVC flourished in that kind of market. Almost every TV made in the 80s - early 00s seemed to be Japanese too, with companies like Sony, JVC, Panasonic, and Sharp being the most prolific when I was a kid. Sony in particular were EVERYWHERE in the 90s, especially the late 90s when the PlayStation became huge. Their success continued into the early 00s with the PS2, also the last era CD players were popular. Because optical media was at its peak in the early 00s, and the PS2 was huge, I consider the early 00s to be the peak of Sony. And then they fell hard after that. this is true, Sony was like a "cool" brand up until like 03 ( ironically when Xbox started gaining serious steam) and when Itunes came out for Windows XP. You still had Sony stuff that people went Gaga over like PSP ( which had massive hype when it came out) Bravia HD TV & it's VAIO laptops. But in general 03 is the peak of Sony as a company Back in the early 00s Sony was a marker of quality. The PlayStation consoles, Sony Wega TVs (which are probably the best CRTs ever made), CD players were still the shit, Sony Vaio computers, even their movies like Spider-Man were awesome back then. But they fell hard like I said. They were still making good products in the mid 2000s but by the late 2000s, that’s when the PS3/Spider-Man 3 disaster happened. Plus nobody cared about CD players anymore, and new TV brands like Samsung and LG had overtaken Sony.
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