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Post by daywatch on Dec 22, 2020 1:22:19 GMT 10
What are you're thoughts on this?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 1:33:29 GMT 10
I always knew this was dumb. People like to think their nostalgia is more justified than others when it's an irrational emotion to begin with. We're now seeing early 2000s nostalgia and I'm sure the rest of the decade is up next.
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Post by mc98 on Dec 22, 2020 1:44:56 GMT 10
This video is really ignorant. Y2K/early 2000s nostalgia is blowing tf up right now. This type of thinking can only come from the mid 2010s.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 22, 2020 2:51:31 GMT 10
I always knew this was dumb. People like to think their nostalgia is more justified than others when it's an irrational emotion to begin with. We're now seeing early 2000s nostalgia and I'm sure the rest of the decade is up next. I'm not sure if it's an irrational emotion, it doesn't have to be at least. I think he just means there because the 2000s to the present in his opinion doesn't have enough of a monoculture or tangible artifacts, like 90s and prior, it may be harder to preserve and reminiscence about it in the same way therefore it may not have as much of a nostagia wave like the 90s or other decades, later on. Not sure if its about hating on the 2000s. I think we just started seeing tiny examples of early 2000s culture and Y2K and it will take a while. I think we have around 3 or 4 more years of late 80s to mid 90s nostalgia stuff still floating around but more and more mid to late 90s (1995-1998ish) culture eventually replacing this and increasing amount of bits of Y2K/2000s coming but more so after. I'm don't think it would be skipped over or go fully early 2000s to earlier. I'm guessing entirely, obviously, but feel towards the end of this decade might be leaning towards the early 2000s, while some 90s influences will still be around throughout it. I think a lot of popular franchises or things that were created in 70s to 90s, or during a golden age for something, will not expire so easily but will just continue on and stay around for a really long time. This would be completely be unrelated to nostalgia and is based on being good decade for innovation or creative renaissance in a particular field resulting in amazing works or products that stand the test of time. For example jazz music made 2010s or whenever may not have contained the same level of quality or innovation compared to what was created in the decade of the peak of the genre and therefore it may not have equal lasting power, in this regard it really has nothing to do nostalgia.
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Post by Htiaf on Dec 22, 2020 7:20:17 GMT 10
This video is really ignorant. Y2K/early 2000s nostalgia is blowing tf up right now. This type of thinking can only come from the mid 2010s. Yeah, I think it’s dumb. There’s plenty of 00’s nostalgia going on right now, especially with MGK’s newly released pop punk album that made a lot of people say it reminded them of “00’s music”. Early 00’s fashion is pretty popular now too, and in fact I would say 00’s nostalgia has just started to blow up between this year and last year. Especially with kids who grew up with their childhood in the 00’s is now accessible to have nostalgia for them. There’s a lot of 00’s nostalgia on the internet now compared with the past.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 7:54:30 GMT 10
There will definitely be 2010s nostalgia and it will happen sooner than anyone realizes.
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Post by pumpkin14 on Dec 22, 2020 8:19:07 GMT 10
People will always be nostalgic for a time that is no longer here, and future generations will continue to look back on time in which they were not alive. That’s how it’s always been. It’s silly to think otherwise. Also I definitely disagree that there is no 2010s zeitgeist. The zeitgeist of the 2010s is one of the clearest in recent times imo
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Post by sman12 on Dec 22, 2020 10:56:39 GMT 10
Late 2000s and early 2010s nostalgia's been booming on YouTube since late 2018. You can thank us Zoomers for that.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 22, 2020 14:36:48 GMT 10
I think there's more to this than what is being implied on face value. I agree with slashpop, the main argument this video is making is that the '90s will be the last decade to have a collective revival in the mainstream due to the decade's monoculture. The internet was still in its infancy during the '90s and pop culture wasn't as fragmented due to people still having to rely on the radio and TV, so the decade has more of a single coherent identity in comparison to both the 2000s and especially the 2010s. Ask anyone what comes to mind to them when they think of the '90s and the majority of people will name the same things; grunge, Nintendo 64, flannel shirts, the Spice Girls etc. That's because there were less alternatives for consuming entertainment back in the '90s and people were generally exposed to the same fads/releases. sman12's comment about early 2010s nostalgia already being a thing on YouTube is exactly why every era since the mid 2000s will be unlikely to experience a full-fledged revival in the mainstream. There's millions of different internet niches, and because the internet has been such an integral part of our everyday lives since the turn of the millennium, people aren't listening to the same songs, or watching the same TV shows or movies. The internet has essentially killed off the possibility of a single cultural era making a huge resurgence in current pop culture and influencing the look and feel of new aesthetics. What would a "mid 2000s revival" even look like? I can assure all of you that we're not going to see a new wave of similar-sounding bands to Simple Plan, Good Charlotte etc. re-entering the charts anytime soon. People also typically dressed however they wanted back in the mid 2000s. Baggy jeans may have been particularly popular back then, but they're not unique to the era. Honestly, I feel as though people are misinterpreting what this video is suggesting. Obviously people are going to have personal nostalgia for eras since the end of the '90s; people can be, and will continue to be, nostalgic for any era. However, there's a difference between personal nostalgia and "collective nostalgia". Collective nostalgia is predominantly rooted in the existence of a monoculture, which is why everyone associates Elvis and rock 'n roll with the '50s, or disco and "big hair" with the 1970s. The existence of a monoculture has gradually declined since the development of the World Wide Web. As an example, artists like Sam Smith and Meghan Trainer may have charted within the Top-40 during the mid 2010s but then you also had post-hardcore bands like Bring Me The Horizon and Sleeping With Sirens who achieved millions of views on YouTube despite not technically being 'mainstream'.
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Post by sman12 on Dec 23, 2020 5:24:33 GMT 10
I think there's more to this than what is being implied on face value. I agree with slashpop, the main argument this video is making is that the '90s will be the last decade to have a collective revival in the mainstream due to the decade's monoculture. The internet was still in its infancy during the '90s and pop culture wasn't as fragmented due to people still having to rely on the radio and TV, so the decade has more of a single coherent identity in comparison to both the 2000s and especially the 2010s. Ask anyone what comes to mind to them when they think of the '90s and the majority of people will name the same things; grunge, Nintendo 64, flannel shirts, the Spice Girls etc. That's because there were less alternatives for consuming entertainment back in the '90s and people were generally exposed to the same fads/releases. sman12's comment about early 2010s nostalgia already being a thing on YouTube is exactly why every era since the mid 2000s will be unlikely to experience a full-fledged revival in the mainstream. There's millions of different internet niches, and because the internet has been such an integral part of our everyday lives since the turn of the millennium, people aren't listening to the same songs, or watching the same TV shows or movies. The internet has essentially killed off the possibility of a single cultural era making a huge resurgence in current pop culture and influencing the look and feel of new aesthetics. What would a "mid 2000s revival" even look like? I can assure all of you that we're not going to see a new wave of similar-sounding bands to Simple Plan, Good Charlotte etc. re-entering the charts anytime soon. People also typically dressed however they wanted back in the mid 2000s. Baggy jeans may have been particularly popular back then, but they're not unique to the era. Honestly, I feel as though people are misinterpreting what this video is suggesting. Obviously people are going to have personal nostalgia for eras since the end of the '90s; people can be, and will continue to be, nostalgic for any era. However, there's a difference between personal nostalgia and "collective nostalgia". Collective nostalgia is predominantly rooted in the existence of a monoculture, which is why everyone associates Elvis and rock 'n roll with the '50s, or disco and "big hair" with the 1970s. The existence of a monoculture has gradually declined since the development of the World Wide Web. As an example, artists like Sam Smith and Meghan Trainer may have charted within the Top-40 during the mid 2010s but then you also had post-hardcore bands like Bring Me The Horizon and Sleeping With Sirens who achieved millions of views on YouTube despite not technically being 'mainstream'. I see your point. The Internet may have broken down monoculture, but I still think there are cultural identity markers from the 2010s like surreal humor/post-ironic memes, streaming services, and mainstream PC culture.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 3:06:31 GMT 10
People say the 2010s didn't have a monoculture, but I think the decade's identity is probably the most distinct of any decade since the 80s.
Hipster culture, thrift shops, faux artsy-fartsiness, indie folk, concepts like "live and eat local", street festivals, themed bars and restaurants, etc were all major aspects of the 2010s zeitgeist.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 7, 2021 2:52:53 GMT 10
People say the 2010s didn't have a monoculture, but I think the decade's identity is probably the most distinct of any decade since the 80s. Hipster culture, thrift shops, faux artsy-fartsiness, indie folk, concepts like "live and eat local", street festivals, themed bars and restaurants, etc were all major aspects of the 2010s zeitgeist. I agree with the guy in the video but I have a slightly different view. The 2010s had more of monoculture in the sense there was more of a narrow culture driven by the internet and social media rather than traditional media, which also happens to provide easier conveniences of discovering or incoperating other options but not everything is always readily adopted into the mainstream. There is less of a traditional mainstream but there is still a mainstream. I see 90s and certain older decades being a monoculture based on limited technology and media distribution but sometimes allowing for more of multitude or eclectic variety of styles co-existing together that don't conform to a single narrative within the monoculture, at least in certain decades or eras. Putting this aside, while hipster culture had/still has its positives and greater influence, I see hipster culture past 2012 to be more of manufactured identity to sell fast fashion, consumer products, rather than an actual movement, that just so happens to carry some progressive messages. In fact it can also be said to be a continuation of the conformist culture of the 2000s but with a different costume and a different political ideology. There's both sides to it, imo.
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