|
Post by slashpop on Jan 11, 2021 18:29:04 GMT 10
I would say we are almost there. I can't think of anything distinctive, changeful and interesting enough that occured in 2020 despite my own personal preferences and tastes within and outside of popular culture. It doesn't feel like anything is going regardless of some changes (new presidency, PS5, some hopes of change, some hints of new music and fashion aesthetics) and it feels like we could be headed in that direction because industries could suffer more, shut down and people are restricted which stifles creativity, innovation and progression and ultimately pop culture. Its worrisome when you think that maybe in a few years 2010s could be seen as golden age or neverending only because nothing really changed. Although decade changes obviously don't always line up in similar particular patterns, looking back 1988-1991, 1998-2001, 2008-2011 had so much more to offer to the world than the current era. There has been an empty feeling in pop culture since 2018 imo and it keeps growing, I'm not even sure if everything magically improved tommorow that this would necessarily change things.
What are your thoughts?
|
|
|
Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 11, 2021 20:04:36 GMT 10
I had this thought the other day, but it wouldn't surprise me if the 2020s end up becoming the first decade not to have a unique pop cultural identity of their own. Sure, you can point to COVID-19 as having been definitive, but what will end up being the "2020s sound"? What will be the stereotypical "2020s look"?
Honestly, I think we've reached the point where society has simply become too fragmented for a collective cultural identity to emerge, which is why current pop culture feels so soulless and void. A video on Tik Tok can become a huge overnight sensation and receive millions of views, but anyone's who not on Tik Tok is unlikely to even know about it. If I want to completely tune-in out of current culture, I can easily do so as I can still watch all of my favourite shows without having to turn on a TV and listen to the songs I like without going into a store to buy them. That would have been much harder to do back in 2001 for example, as smartphones didn't exist and neither did sites such as Facebook, Twitter etc. More people were generally exposed to the same things.
I completely get what you're saying though. Nothing feels exciting anymore, it's as if things just come and go without any fanfare. There doesn't seem to be anything new or exciting on the horizon which will change the entire trajectory of pop culture, because in most cases, it's probably already in existence in some form. The late 2010s will probably one day be looked at as being a turning point for the way in which we engage with current pop culture. There was arguably still something of a monoculture prior to the late 2010s. However, due to the extent in which streaming services like Netflix, Amazon Prime etc. became so ingrained within society between 2017-2019, that is no longer the case.
Unfortunately, there's no going back to those times. There will always be certain things which are unique to a particular time period, but the days of a decade having a collective cultural identity like the '60s or the '90s are long gone.
|
|
|
Post by sman12 on Jan 12, 2021 1:30:05 GMT 10
The dissemination of the Internet from this past decade pretty much broke down the "monocultural" aspect of pop culture. While I personally like the variety of music, movies, TV shows, and video games at our disposal, the 2020s will probably be harder for us to define as a result.
|
|
|
Post by Htiaf on Jan 12, 2021 3:20:50 GMT 10
I can see everyone’s points and I agree somewhat, but you have to remember we just only entered the second year of the decade. 2000 & 2001 wasn’t all that different from the Late 90’s either when the decade first started. For all you know there could be dramatic changes that occur within the next few years, but I could definitely be wrong. Also a decade is harder to define when you’re still living in it rather than looking back.
kev2000sfan, sman12, and 2 more like this
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
0 |
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 5:46:49 GMT 10
I had this thought the other day, but it wouldn't surprise me if the 2020s end up becoming the first decade not to have a unique pop cultural identity of their own. Sure, you can point to COVID-19 as having been definitive, but what will end up being the "2020s sound"? What will be the stereotypical "2020s look"? I don't think this is necessarily the case. I think the 2020s to the 2010s will be what the 1930s were to the 1920s. The 1930s were not a groundbreaking time for pop culture, but 1930-1945 still had a distinct culture that a lot of people nowadays don't talk about or remember.
|
|
|
Post by dudewitdausername on Jan 12, 2021 6:21:48 GMT 10
The 2000s and the 2010s are very unique from eachother in terms of pop culture, but the lack of a real consistent "name" for the 2010s makes most older people just group them together as one huge 20 year decade, "the 2000s", this is also why we had people still calling 2019 "two thousand and nineteen," which sounds ridiculous to me. Hell, on the radio I've even heard older people refer to this year as "two thousand and twenty one" which sounds even worse lol. IMO 2010 through 2012 are the only years that sound natural using both pronunciations.
Another thing that kind of brings this point home for me is that we are going through yet another 80s nostalgia wave nearly 40 years later, this time brought in by artists like Dua Lipa and The Weeknd who weren't even born yet in the 80s. I'm not saying they don't make absolute bops, but it's 2021, we should be in a early 2000s nostalgia wave right now (I mean, we kind of are, with pop punk making a small comeback, and in hip hop, "Sex Lies" by Mulatto and Lil Baby sounds like a 2020 version of one of those R&B/Hip Hop joints that were so popular in the early 2000s.), but due to the last twenty years just being "the 2000s" to some people, 2002 seems like it was just last decade to them rather than almost two.
kev2000sfan likes this
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
0 |
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 6:45:55 GMT 10
I can see everyone’s points and I agree somewhat, but you have to remember we just only entered the second year of the decade. 2000 & 2001 wasn’t all that different from the Late 90’s either when the decade first started. For all you know there could be dramatic changes that occur within the next few years, but I could definitely be wrong. Also a decade is harder to define when you’re still living in it rather than looking back. I remember during the 2000s when people would complain about the 2000s not having an identity or how it was watered down 1990s culture, which is not true looking back. The 2000s had an identity. Yes the early 2000s were not all that different from the late 1990s. It is true that a decade is hard 2 define when we are living in it.
kev2000sfan likes this
|
|
|
Post by Htiaf on Jan 12, 2021 6:59:45 GMT 10
I can see everyone’s points and I agree somewhat, but you have to remember we just only entered the second year of the decade. 2000 & 2001 wasn’t all that different from the Late 90’s either when the decade first started. For all you know there could be dramatic changes that occur within the next few years, but I could definitely be wrong. Also a decade is harder to define when you’re still living in it rather than looking back. I remember during the 2000s when people would complain about the 2000s not having an identity or how it was watered down 1990s culture, which is not true looking back. The 2000s had an identity. Yes the early 2000s were not all that different from the late 1990s. It is true that a decade is hard 2 define when we are living in it. Yeah, you probably had some people complaining about how the 90’s weren’t that different from the 80’s in the early portion of the decade too, so I don’t think these things are unique to the 20’s.
pumpkin14 likes this
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
0 |
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 12:03:26 GMT 10
I can see everyone’s points and I agree somewhat, but you have to remember we just only entered the second year of the decade. 2000 & 2001 wasn’t all that different from the Late 90’s either when the decade first started. For all you know there could be dramatic changes that occur within the next few years, but I could definitely be wrong. Also a decade is harder to define when you’re still living in it rather than looking back. I remember during the 2000s when people would complain about the 2000s not having an identity or how it was watered down 1990s culture, which is not true looking back. The 2000s had an identity. Yes the early 2000s were not all that different from the late 1990s. It is true that a decade is hard 2 define when we are living in it. I think a lot of this is because it was a slow transition from '90s to '00s. For certain decades, we can think of big years where enough changed all at once that it was clear a new era had arrived or was about to. Years like 1963, 1980, 1992, and 2008 come to mind. On the other hand, the 90s faded into the '00s much more slowly. To me, it didn't feel like the '90s were completely gone until around 2006. Friends lasted until 2004 for that matter.
|
|
|
Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 12, 2021 12:37:44 GMT 10
I had this thought the other day, but it wouldn't surprise me if the 2020s end up becoming the first decade not to have a unique pop cultural identity of their own. Sure, you can point to COVID-19 as having been definitive, but what will end up being the "2020s sound"? What will be the stereotypical "2020s look"? I don't think this is necessarily the case. I think the 2020s to the 2010s will be what the 1930s were to the 1920s. The 1930s were not a groundbreaking time for pop culture, but 1930-1945 still had a distinct culture that a lot of people nowadays don't talk about or remember. The circumstances are entirely different though. Most families couldn't even afford a television set during the 1930s and because it was long before the dawn of the internet, portable music listening and even youth culture, there wasn't a diversification of pop culture as would later be the case after the Second World War. I do agree that there will still be trends and releases that will be unique to the 2020s, as will forever be the case with any time period. However, part of the problem is that the world has become too fragmented for a decade to form a singular cultural identity. People used to make comments about how the 2000s lacked an 'identity', and that was before the days of smartphones and streaming services.
|
|
|
Post by jaydawg89 on Jan 12, 2021 12:40:32 GMT 10
I had this thought the other day, but it wouldn't surprise me if the 2020s end up becoming the first decade not to have a unique pop cultural identity of their own. Sure, you can point to COVID-19 as having been definitive, but what will end up being the "2020s sound"? What will be the stereotypical "2020s look"? I don't think this is necessarily the case. I think the 2020s to the 2010s will be what the 1930s were to the 1920s. The 1930s were not a groundbreaking time for pop culture, but 1930-1945 still had a distinct culture that a lot of people nowadays don't talk about or remember. I'll have to disagree with the 1930s there, the 1930s were pretty good for pop culture, they had more to offer than the 1920s and especially the 1940s.
|
|
|
Post by jaydawg89 on Jan 12, 2021 12:43:52 GMT 10
2020 was a pretty dull year culturally and there isn't very much or anything I cared about that year (apart from the video games I guess). The late 2010s had a sense of dullness too and it seems that everything I disliked about the late 2010s was in full blast for 2020.
|
|
|
Post by slashpop on Jan 12, 2021 19:42:05 GMT 10
I don't think this is necessarily the case. I think the 2020s to the 2010s will be what the 1930s were to the 1920s. The 1930s were not a groundbreaking time for pop culture, but 1930-1945 still had a distinct culture that a lot of people nowadays don't talk about or remember. The circumstances are entirely different though. Most families couldn't even afford a television set during the 1930s and because it was long before the dawn of the internet, portable music listening and even youth culture, there wasn't a diversification of pop culture as would later be the case after the Second World War. I do agree that there will still be trends and releases that will be unique to the 2020s, as will forever be the case with any time period. However, part of the problem is that the world has become too fragmented for a decade to form a singular cultural identity. People used to make comments about how the 2000s lacked an 'identity', and that was before the days of smartphones and streaming services. Tbh, I feel as the mid 2010s and to some extent the early, was oozing with a singular cultural identity even if it was more artificial and online driven. I was would say the traditional mainstream fully shifted to being online at some point in early to mid 2010s and prior was a bit more inbetween. I feel as though, lack of singular identity ironically applies to end of the mid 2000s to early 2010s, in the sense that both 2000s and incoming or early 2010s culture was transitioning to something, with a clear direction and identity, but not exactly fully realized, taken to extremes, or felt as distinct. This may have contributed to samey or vague pop cultural feeling regardless of changes and with things like nostalgia industry increasing quite a bit in a mainstream way, as possible result. I still find it hard to find a single set of stereotypical things that exclusively and instantly sum up that period as much as periods like the early 90s, mid 2010s, or Y2K era. In the late 2010s to the present, the lack of singular identity is there for a different reason, as it doesn't seem like we have something we are in transitioning towards, other than holding onto and phasing out things that first started in the mid 2010s, undoing negativity of trump era politics and surviving and solving Covid. We haven't even explored the latter half of 90s nostalgia yet and there don't seem to be any breakthroughs like a new kind of technology or phase of something or very visible new era aesthetics, like you typically see towards the ends and beginnings of decades. I think prior to that the last pure singular cultural era was actually the late Y2K era to some point in the mid 2000s, it felt like everyone was following the same trends with some fringe groups ex. rappers, punks, emos, skaters, goths etc. The internet did not have overwhelming presence in replacing things, even though it had to a large extent the same effect it has today of easy access to info, exposure to fringe hobbies, mp3s etc . However radio, tv news etc were still the go to source and people thing felt very much controlled by the narrow stream defined by traditional media. Espically in a year like 2000 or 2003 with people aggressively following trends, worshiping or only listening to top 40 radio, awaiting the latest episode of charmed, survivor, south park or jackass to videotape etc. The last pre-internet and most authentic singular culture identity was the late 90s and to some extent the early Y2K era.
SharksFan99 likes this
|
|
|
Post by sman12 on Jan 13, 2021 0:23:10 GMT 10
I can see everyone’s points and I agree somewhat, but you have to remember we just only entered the second year of the decade. 2000 & 2001 wasn’t all that different from the Late 90’s either when the decade first started. For all you know there could be dramatic changes that occur within the next few years, but I could definitely be wrong. Also a decade is harder to define when you’re still living in it rather than looking back.Now that I think about it, you're right. I just think that with everything becoming more widespread with pop culture, cultural shifts might take more time for me to really notice.
|
|
|
Post by Telso on Jan 13, 2021 1:11:50 GMT 10
I think that it will be a lot easier for pop culture to be noticed and expand once live events aren't canceled every 5 minutes (or people actually able to enjoy their freetime) because of a massive pandemic. The early 2010s for instance were hurt by the recession but still are currently looked like a long lost eutopia because of how distinctive and free to be enjoyed pop culture was back then. The early 2020s in comparison are entirely crushed by the pandemic's weight and almost everything pop culture-wise currently is entirely related to it.
|
|