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Post by slashpop on Feb 11, 2021 3:46:49 GMT 10
Recently Marilyn Manson was accused of horrific things without evidence and it seems that the internet and media wants to completely erase him, his label and manager dropped him and other plans have been canceled. While I’m fully in favor of justice in any given situation for any illegal crimes, however it seems that people are ignoring that there is a process to convict someone if proven guilty, and you can’t jump to conclusions early and that these things are alleged. It’s quite horrible how people have skipped that and gone on a witch-hunt without questioning the motives behind the accusations and the odd and questionable dodgey language in some of the allegations that discredits at least some portion of the claims already.
I don’t want to get too into this as this isn’t a fan forum but I can’t imagine what would have happened to Micheal Jackson if he were alive or any future artists who have a vindictive or evil ex.
Whether you like or hate his music I still think this is an unjustified and dangerous way of reacting. There must be a better way to process, report or convict people if this is ever the case. Problem with the metoo movement is that it gives manipulative people who want to get revenge on the someone or create celebrity status very easy tools to destroy their lives.
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Post by y2kbaby on Feb 11, 2021 7:56:55 GMT 10
We are living in a very sensitive era. Although I don't listen to his music like that and I don't know if he really did the crime, but I feel like people wanna cancel almost everybody thanks to social media. It's very scary when you think about it.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 11, 2021 11:30:18 GMT 10
The worst part about cancel culture is that it can seriously damage someone's reputation, even if the accused has been found to be innocent. There's a well-known actor here in Australia named John Jarratt who in 2018 was accused of raping a woman forty-two years earlier. He was found not guilty a year later, but one of the tabloid newspapers here wrote an article saying that he "got away with rape" and he received a lot of nasty comments on social media. His reputation has never recovered despite not having even committed the act.
I honestly feel as though people who choose to spread false accusations online should be charged. It destroys people's livelihoods, and it's a joke that the people responsible are able to hide behind an alias and get away with it.
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Post by sman12 on Feb 11, 2021 14:01:33 GMT 10
It really sucks that as a culture, people instantly believe whatever account women have instead of just listening to the other side. Now there are exceptions like Johnny Depp getting more support after Amber Heard turned out to be an abusive b*tch, but this sh*t needs to be stopped.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 12, 2021 15:17:19 GMT 10
It really sucks that as a culture, people instantly believe whatever account women have instead of just listening to the other side. Now there are exceptions like Johnny Depp getting more support after Amber Heard turned out to be an abusive b*tch, but this sh*t needs to be stopped. I agree. This is an issue which I think is more of a societal problem rather than strictly a social media one. Even before social media took off in popularity, the courts tended to favour a women's testimony over a man's. Men can be victims of domestic violence as well, but nine times out of ten, the woman will always be made to be the victim even when they are the offender.
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Post by slashpop on Feb 12, 2021 16:27:42 GMT 10
It really sucks that as a culture, people instantly believe whatever account women have instead of just listening to the other side. Now there are exceptions like Johnny Depp getting more support after Amber Heard turned out to be an abusive b*tch, but this sh*t needs to be stopped. I agree. This is an issue which I think is more of a societal problem rather than strictly a social media one. Even before social media took off in popularity, the courts tended to favour a women's testimony over a man's. Men can be victims of domestic violence as well, but nine times out of ten, the woman will always be made to be the victim even when they are the offender. They are pulling Marilyn Manson merch from stores like hot topic and even a few videos on his offical channel have been removed. Ironic considering Tupac went to jail for sexual assault and there are 100s of classic rock and rock stars in general who actually have been convicted or allegedly did something. Strangely we don’t see their items or content removed at least for now. lm seriously getting worried
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 12, 2021 18:10:53 GMT 10
They are pulling Marilyn Manson merch from stores like hot topic and even a few videos on his offical channel have been removed. Ironic considering Tupac went to jail for sexual assault and there are 100s of classic rock and rock stars in general who actually have been convicted or allegedly did something. Strangely we don’t see their items or content removed at least for now. lm seriously getting worried It's ridiculous. I don't understand how an incident like this can escalate so quickly when the matter hasn't even been through the court. From what I've looked up, his manager of 25 years has also dropped him as a client. I could understand the backlash if there was concrete evidence which pointed to Marilyn Manson as having acted abusive towards his ex-fiance', but there isn't any. Has the world forgotten that people are innocent until proven guilty?
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Post by slashpop on Feb 12, 2021 19:03:10 GMT 10
Maybe cancel culture is biased towards race, favoring whites over minorities. In this case it’s not. Tupac merch and legacy was pretty solid from 1995-2002 onwards despite him going to jail for sexual assault whether it actually occurred or not
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Post by slashpop on Feb 12, 2021 20:57:45 GMT 10
They are pulling Marilyn Manson merch from stores like hot topic and even a few videos on his offical channel have been removed. Ironic considering Tupac went to jail for sexual assault and there are 100s of classic rock and rock stars in general who actually have been convicted or allegedly did something. Strangely we don’t see their items or content removed at least for now. lm seriously getting worried It's ridiculous. I don't understand how an incident like this can escalate so quickly when the matter hasn't even been through the court. From what I've looked up, his manager of 25 years has also dropped him as a client. I could understand the backlash if there was concrete evidence which pointed to Marilyn Manson as having acted abusive towards his ex-fiance', but there isn't any. Has the world forgotten that people are innocent until proven guilty? I’m seriously worried this is going to evolve into extreme censorship in 3 to 10 years from now. Where music or movie content will be erased or banned over trivial things or alleged history, films will be re-edited and we will see a drastic increase of fines like 5 months jail time for behavior like “implying” something sexist or bigoted with or without any proof.
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Post by sman12 on Feb 13, 2021 7:09:34 GMT 10
It's ridiculous. I don't understand how an incident like this can escalate so quickly when the matter hasn't even been through the court. From what I've looked up, his manager of 25 years has also dropped him as a client. I could understand the backlash if there was concrete evidence which pointed to Marilyn Manson as having acted abusive towards his ex-fiance', but there isn't any. Has the world forgotten that people are innocent until proven guilty? I’m seriously worried this is going to evolve into extreme censorship in 3 to 10 years from now. Where music or movie content will be erased or banned over trivial things or alleged history, films will be re-edited and we will see a drastic increase of fines like 5 months jail time for behavior like “implying” something sexist or bigoted with or without any proof. It really sucks that movies and other media nowadays can't really function without bowing down to political correctness. It's been pissing me off since 2015 (and also when Ghostbusters 2016 first came out).
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Post by rainbow on Feb 13, 2021 7:37:03 GMT 10
Unless someone killed or raped someone, then people’s past actions shouldn’t automatically get them cancelled, especially if they’re a completely different person today and they’ve realized their wrongdoings. I used to be racist af to Asian people when I was 12-13 years old. It’s actually shocking to me all the stuff I did. I know now that this behavior is obviously unacceptable and I’ve learned from that. I can’t imagine being cancelled for something I did when I was an immature teen.
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Post by slashpop on Feb 13, 2021 7:42:19 GMT 10
Unless someone killed or raped someone, then people’s past actions shouldn’t automatically get them cancelled, especially if they’re a completely different person today and they’ve realized their wrongdoings. I used to be racist af to Asian people when I was 12-13 years old. It’s actually shocking to me all the stuff I did. I know now that this behavior is obviously unacceptable and I’ve learned from that. I can’t imagine being cancelled for something I did when I was an immature teen. I don’t think we should cancel Tupac because he went to jail for sexual assault. Plus there is always the chance it was wrong. That’s the problem.
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Post by smartboi on Feb 13, 2021 13:45:02 GMT 10
I'm more annoyed when corporations/companies actually give in to twitter mobs. They're only empowering this behavior.
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Post by John Titor on Feb 13, 2021 15:45:01 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 21:52:43 GMT 10
In 2019, Drake suffered backlash because of a 2010 video of him kissing & fondling a 17 year old girl on stage. To be fair, that is completely fucking creepy. I am not a fan of cancel culture myself, but I think its impact on society is waaay overblown and over-exaggerated. My life has not personally been made worse by the fact that other people aren't buying Marilyn Manson CDs anymore.
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