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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 15, 2021 20:20:44 GMT 10
This has always been of interest to me as someone who only has the vaguest of memories of early-mid 2001 at best, a pre-9/11 world. It's not unheard of for people who were old enough at the time to say that America "lost its innocence" on that day, or that "the world has never been the same" since the September 11 Attacks. I don't doubt that for a second. How can the worst terrorist attack on American soil not have resulted in change? Obviously the September 11 Attacks didn't result in change across all aspects of society and our culture. For instance, I believe people overstate the extent to which 9/11 influenced pop culture in the weeks and months after the attacks. A dark, melancholic genre like emo was always likely to gain an audience in the form of it being a backlash to the Blink-182 style pop-punk that dominated the airwaves around the turn of the millennium. Also, it generally didn't result in people going about their lives any differently, people still went to work as they normally would have on the day immediately after September 11.
That being said, there were definitely societal changes that occurred after the reality of the tragic event had sunk in. Sure, security was tightened up in airports in the aftermath, but the impression I have is that the world changed in other, more subtle ways.
Something I read quite often is that the general psyche of society changed after the attacks. The world prior to September 11 is often described as being more carefree, more laid-back, more trusting of strangers on the streets. There seemed to still be real genuine hope and optimism for the future, even after people had gotten over the new millennium hype. Yet, 9/11 is characterised as having changed all that; that it brought us into a new "normal" which would later result in parents being more paranoid about their children being out of sight, that the future wasn't going to be this sci-fi utopia that many had predicted and hoped for in the decades past. Suddenly, the world was faced with Iraq and Afghanistan, then the growing public perception of climate-change, far-right extremists, Trump's presidency and now, the COVID-19 pandemic. As someone who didn't truly experience a pre-9/11 world, i'm definitely interested in learning more about the extent to which the September 11 Attacks changed the general psyche and attitudes of society.
Which leads me back to my question; in what ways has the world changed since the 9/11 Attacks? Is it the lack of hope for the future? Could it be the mindset that the attacks killed off the last remnants of the free-spirited and 'innocent' nature that the western world had prior to that day?
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Post by John Titor on Feb 16, 2021 0:34:12 GMT 10
This has always been of interest to me as someone who only has the vaguest of memories of early-mid 2001 at best, a pre-9/11 world. It's not unheard of for people who were old enough at the time to say that America "lost its innocence" on that day, or that "the world has never been the same" since the September 11 Attacks. I don't doubt that for a second. How can the worst terrorist attack on American soil not have resulted in change? Obviously the September 11 Attacks didn't result in change across all aspects of society and our culture. For instance, I believe people overstate the extent to which 9/11 influenced pop culture in the weeks and months after the attacks. A dark, melancholic genre like emo was always likely to gain an audience in the form of it being a backlash to the Blink-182 style pop-punk that dominated the airwaves around the turn of the millennium. Also, it generally didn't result in people going about their lives any differently, people still went to work as they normally would have on the day immediately after September 11. That being said, there were definitely societal changes that occurred after the reality of the tragic event had sunk in. Sure, security was tightened up in airports in the aftermath, but the impression I have is that the world changed in other, more subtle ways. Something I read quite often is that the general psyche of society changed after the attacks. The world prior to September 11 is often described as being more carefree, more laid-back, more trusting of strangers on the streets. There seemed to still be real genuine hope and optimism for the future, even after people had gotten over the new millennium hype. Yet, 9/11 is characterised as having changed all that; that it brought us into a new "normal" which would later result in parents being more paranoid about their children being out of sight, that the future wasn't going to be this sci-fi utopia that many had predicted and hoped for in the decades past. Suddenly, the world was faced with Iraq and Afghanistan, then the growing public perception of climate-change, far-right extremists, Trump's presidency and now, the COVID-19 pandemic. As someone who didn't truly experience a pre-9/11 world, i'm definitely interested in learning more about the extent to which the September 11 Attacks changed the general psyche and attitudes of society. Which leads me back to my question; in what ways has the world changed since the 9/11 Attacks? Is it the lack of hope for the future? Could it be the mindset that the attacks killed off the last remnants of the free-spirited and 'innocent' nature that the western world had prior to that day? As far as music, Britney & Justin were already doing their Neptune production sounding songs as well as Christina already moving in a more DARKER direction before 9/11 even hit. It was clear Teen pop was long in the tooth in the 2000-2001 school year. We could see the writing on the wall but we were all unaware of how it would come together. Early 2001Debuted 1 1/2 weeks before 9/11Then you had bands like Jimmy Eat World & Sum 41 REALLY taking off in Fall 2001Things did change such as airport security and cracking down on things. For a good 6 or 7 weeks everyone was scared about anthrax and more patriotic. I went to the mall a week or 2 after 9/11 happened and it was packed. Like PACKED. Now granted most of this was due because of GTA 3 reservations, but still lol Something that was amped up was the racism against anyone that was Muslim, it was so bad like really really bad. Like really bad. I also want to note that "free spirit" vibe was kind of back by the time we got to 2004. It was business as usual so it seemed. The United States was out of the recession
a year prior, money was flowing, pop culture was bubbling, the internet was buzzing. This is all in USA mind you.
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Post by y2kbaby on Feb 16, 2021 4:36:42 GMT 10
I do think 9/11 killed that Y2K optimistic vibe. But at the same time I don't want to say that 9/11 ruined everything. Don't get me wrong, 9/11 did made such a big impact to America( and lesser extent the western world). Pearl Harbor from 60 years prior was just as awful as the 2001 attacks. The world has experience a lot worse events even before Sep 11. Many historians believe that the JFK assignation in 1963 "killed" the innocence America, and the country has gone downhill since. Not trying to knock that event at all, America has been through ups and downs before and since Sep 11.
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Post by sman12 on Feb 16, 2021 9:13:18 GMT 10
Well, it definitely changed our minds about national security, terrorism from abroad and the safety of air travel. The Department of Homeland Security was also created in response to 9/11.
And 9/11 pretty much started the endless wars in the Middle East that we still see today.
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Post by y2kbaby on Feb 16, 2021 11:40:57 GMT 10
I forgot to mention earlier that there was a OKC bombing in 1995. But for some reason, society ignores it as if it had never happened.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 12:16:33 GMT 10
I think World Trade Center bombing happened in 1993 as well. Plus Columbine shooting happened on Tuesday, April 20, 1999. September 11, 2001 also took place on a Tuesday. 2021 shares the same calendar as 1993 & 1999.
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Post by Htiaf on Feb 16, 2021 14:40:30 GMT 10
Maybe I shouldn’t talk since I obviously don’t remember it, but I think how much 9/11 supposedly affected the entire world seems to be very overestimated. It might have had many allies of the US a lot more paranoid since that day along with the US, but it was the US government’s decision to respond with war in the first place. People likely supported this at the time because of how angry they would have been that their country was attacked, but of course no one would admit that now. As bad as 9/11 was, I think mainly what it did is affect air travel, and paranoia mainly exclusively in the US. Also another thing I don’t get is why any other bombing or war that happened before 2001 didn’t “kill the optimistic vibe” of the world? People act like 9/11 has ruined optimism forever and that it’s something that can never be recovered from, but apparently we can recover from something like WW2 which was a lot worse? And the world eventually did return to being optimistic after WW2, so what makes people think we can’t after 9/11? I think the world will continue to have phases of optimism and hopelessness and always has is my entire point.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 18, 2021 8:57:30 GMT 10
Maybe I shouldn’t talk since I obviously don’t remember it, but I think how much 9/11 supposedly affected the entire world seems to be very overestimated. It might have had many allies of the US a lot more paranoid since that day along with the US, but it was the US government’s decision to respond with war in the first place. People likely supported this at the time because of how angry they would have been that their country was attacked, but of course no one would admit that now. As bad as 9/11 was, I think mainly what it did is affect air travel, and paranoia mainly exclusively in the US. Also another thing I don’t get is why any other bombing or war that happened before 2001 didn’t “kill the optimistic vibe” of the world? People act like 9/11 has ruined optimism forever and that it’s something that can never be recovered from, but apparently we can recover from something like WW2 which was a lot worse? And the world eventually did return to being optimistic after WW2, so what makes people think we can’t after 9/11? I think the world will continue to have phases of optimism and hopelessness and always has is my entire point. I do agree with you that the world goes through periods of time where the prevailing mood among people is that of either optimism or hopelessness, but with that being said, I don't believe we should understate the impacts that 9/11 had on the world. The second plane crashing into the World Trade Centre was broadcast live into millions of households across the world, there was never a time where such a devastating event that killed thousands was so accessible to the general population. It left an impression on millions; kids, teenagers, the elderly, anyone who was old enough at the time to understand just how bad the attacks were. It isn't comparable to the two World Wars. While you're right that both World Wars were far worse in terms of their fatality rates and impacts on the world, the difference between them and the September 11 Attacks is that people weren't as exposed to the horrors of the former due to the media/technology of the time. Television hadn't become commonplace in households yet, which meant that people had to rely on radio broadcasts or newspapers. The events of both world wars weren't broadcast live across the globe at the same time.
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Post by John Titor on Feb 18, 2021 9:51:24 GMT 10
Maybe I shouldn’t talk since I obviously don’t remember it, but I think how much 9/11 supposedly affected the entire world seems to be very overestimated. It might have had many allies of the US a lot more paranoid since that day along with the US, but it was the US government’s decision to respond with war in the first place. People likely supported this at the time because of how angry they would have been that their country was attacked, but of course no one would admit that now. As bad as 9/11 was, I think mainly what it did is affect air travel, and paranoia mainly exclusively in the US. Also another thing I don’t get is why any other bombing or war that happened before 2001 didn’t “kill the optimistic vibe” of the world? People act like 9/11 has ruined optimism forever and that it’s something that can never be recovered from, but apparently we can recover from something like WW2 which was a lot worse? And the world eventually did return to being optimistic after WW2, so what makes people think we can’t after 9/11? I think the world will continue to have phases of optimism and hopelessness and always has is my entire point. I do agree with you that the world goes through periods of time where the prevailing mood among people is that of either optimism or hopelessness, but with that being said, I don't believe we should understate the impacts that 9/11 had on the world. The second plane crashing into the World Trade Centre was broadcast live into millions of households across the world, there was never a time where such a devastating event that killed thousands was so accessible to the general population. It left an impression on millions; kids, teenagers, the elderly, anyone who was old enough at the time to understand just how bad the attacks were. It isn't comparable to the two World Wars. While you're right that both World Wars were far worse in terms of their fatality rates and impacts on the world, the difference between them and the September 11 Attacks is that people weren't as exposed to the horrors of the former due to the media/technology of the time. Television hadn't become commonplace in households yet, which meant that people had to rely on radio broadcasts or newspapers. The events of both world wars weren't broadcast live across the globe at the same time. as someone who was in 8th grade I can tell u we saw it live as it happened and it did leave an effect on us, however I will say the United States their Mojo as you say came back around late 2003 heading into spring 2004. It took awhile to shake off the shock of it despite things going back to normal on the surface by Xmas 2001. even by 2003 things were not magically changed, Airport security was still tough, racism against Muslims was still there.
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