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Post by SharksFan99 on May 16, 2021 19:24:25 GMT 10
I wish the mainstream media were more clear on the motives behind these attacks and why exactly they are happening in the first place. I'll be honest, I myself had no idea at first. I could see that people were holding peaceful protests worldwide in support for the Palestinians, but I had just assumed that Israel were morally in the 'right' in relation to the conflict. After all, they're an advanced, well-developed country in the Middle East that is rich in culture and overall quality of life.
Well, after researching the conflict and geographical context this afternoon, it turns out that isn't true. Neither 'state' is the true "ally" in this conflict and they're both guilty of committing human rights abuses. Israel controls the borders of Gaza/Palestine and forcibly restricts the freedom of movement of people who live within the Gaza Strip, while the Palestine state is run by a terrorist, militant group known as the "Hamas".
I can understand Isreal wanting to react after the events that occurred at Ramadan celebrations a few weeks ago, but firing strikes at each other isn't going to achieve a respectable outcome...
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 4:03:23 GMT 10
I have been dreading this topic coming up for days. Mainstream news media has been pretty egregiously distorting the actions of the IDF, I'm gonna be honest with you, starting with taking Hamas's casualty figures at face value.
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Post by slashpop on May 17, 2021 4:20:50 GMT 10
I have been dreading this topic coming up for days. Mainstream news media has been pretty egregiously distorting the actions of the IDF, I'm gonna be honest with you, starting with taking Hamas's casualty figures at face value. No I mean people being evicted from their homes for 50 plus years and treated like subhumans is one thing. IDF they have a pretty brutal track record of human rights abuses more comparable or even more so than extreme Islamic regimes or terrorist groups.
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Post by slashpop on May 17, 2021 4:27:05 GMT 10
I wish the mainstream media were more clear on the motives behind these attacks and why exactly they are happening in the first place. I'll be honest, I myself had no idea at first. I could see that people were holding peaceful protests worldwide in support for the Palestinians, but I had just assumed that Israel were morally in the 'right' in relation to the conflict. After all, they're an advanced, well-developed country in the Middle East that is rich in culture and overall quality of life. Well, after researching the conflict and geographical context this afternoon, it turns out that isn't true. Neither 'state' is the true "ally" in this conflict and they're both guilty of committing human rights abuses. Israel controls the borders of Gaza/Palestine and forcibly restricts the freedom of movement of people who live within the Gaza Strip, while the Palestine state is run by a terrorist, militant group known as the "Hamas". I can understand Isreal wanting to react after the events that occurred at Ramadan celebrations a few weeks ago, but firing strikes at each other isn't going to achieve a respectable outcome... I would say israel has a greater track record of human rights abuses and apartheid practices comparable to South Africa regardless of how advanced the country is and liberal they are or how exaggerated certain media portrays them . Also Palestinians aren't entirely run by that group but even if Muslim countries or groups do backwards things or have some terrorists I don’t they all deserve inhumane treatment. Also Palestinians are not only composed of Muslims but also Christians and including who descend from Aramaic groups, who predate both Arabic and Jewish cultures that later arrived.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 4:32:04 GMT 10
I have been dreading this topic coming up for days. Mainstream news media has been pretty egregiously distorting the actions of the IDF, I'm gonna be honest with you, starting with taking Hamas's casualty figures at face value. No I mean people being evicted from their homes for 50 plus years and treated like subhumans is one thing. IDF they have a pretty brutal track record of human rights abuses more comparable or even more so than extreme Islamic regimes or terrorist groups. You're talking about the same IDF that warns people ahead of time when there's going to be a bombing in order to prevent civilian casualties? That IDF? And those people were not evicted, but I really don't want to get into this. Don't adopt opinions on things you are not actually informed about. No exaggeration here: 
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Post by slashpop on May 17, 2021 4:44:56 GMT 10
No I mean people being evicted from their homes for 50 plus years and treated like subhumans is one thing. IDF they have a pretty brutal track record of human rights abuses more comparable or even more so than extreme Islamic regimes or terrorist groups. You're talking about the same IDF that warns people ahead of time when there's going to be a bombing in order to prevent civilian casualties? That IDF? And those people were not evicted, but I really don't want to get into this. Don't adopt opinions on things you are not actually informed about. No exaggeration here: I suggest you don’t adopt opinions on things you are not fully informed about. They were largely in control and responsible when comes to countless human rights abuses in wars, invasions, evictions including brutal harassments, violence, home demolishment, ethnic cleanings, Gaza in 2014 and countless abusive and coordinated efforts or cover ups and abusives of violence, force and power since the inception of Israel. So please. It’s a no brainer. Was it all of them or just them ? No. Have done many humane and helpful things ? Yes they have. Do they generally try to be moral ? Yes however this does change other things.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 10:43:29 GMT 10
You're talking about the same IDF that warns people ahead of time when there's going to be a bombing in order to prevent civilian casualties? That IDF? And those people were not evicted, but I really don't want to get into this. Don't adopt opinions on things you are not actually informed about. No exaggeration here: I suggest you don’t adopt opinions on things you are not fully informed about. They were largely in control and responsible when comes to countless human rights abuses in wars, invasions, evictions including brutal harassments, violence, home demolishment, ethnic cleanings, Gaza in 2014 and countless abusive and coordinated efforts or cover ups and abusives of violence, force and power since the inception of Israel. So please. It’s a no brainer. Was it all of them or just them ? No. Have done many humane and helpful things ? Yes they have. Do they generally try to be moral ? Yes however this does change other things. Yeah, no. My grandfather fought in the Independence War of 1948, so don't even try to claim I'm uninformed. If you want to talk human rights abuses: www.hrw.org/news/2019/03/20/another-brutal-crackdown-hamas-gaza#If you want to talk invasions: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_IntifadaBrutal harassments: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_kidnapping_and_murder_of_Israeli_teenagersEthnic cleansing: fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm (I especially refer you to paragraph #2: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." And then paragraph #7: "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them." And by the way, yes, the IDF does go out of its way to avoid civilian casualties, but then this happens: nypost.com/2015/05/02/un-report-outlines-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/If Hamas laid down its weapons and stopped fighting tomorrow, there would be no war. If Israel laid down its weapons and stopped fighting tomorrow, there would be no Israel.
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Post by slashpop on May 17, 2021 13:56:22 GMT 10
I suggest you don’t adopt opinions on things you are not fully informed about. They were largely in control and responsible when comes to countless human rights abuses in wars, invasions, evictions including brutal harassments, violence, home demolishment, ethnic cleanings, Gaza in 2014 and countless abusive and coordinated efforts or cover ups and abusives of violence, force and power since the inception of Israel. So please. It’s a no brainer. Was it all of them or just them ? No. Have done many humane and helpful things ? Yes they have. Do they generally try to be moral ? Yes however this does change other things. Yeah, no. My grandfather fought in the Independence War of 1948, so don't even try to claim I'm uninformed. If you want to talk human rights abuses: www.hrw.org/news/2019/03/20/another-brutal-crackdown-hamas-gaza#If you want to talk invasions: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_IntifadaBrutal harassments: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_kidnapping_and_murder_of_Israeli_teenagersEthnic cleansing: fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm (I especially refer you to paragraph #2: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." And then paragraph #7: "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them." And by the way, yes, the IDF does go out of its way to avoid civilian casualties, but then this happens: nypost.com/2015/05/02/un-report-outlines-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/If Hamas laid down its weapons and stopped fighting tomorrow, there would be no war. If Israel laid down its weapons and stopped fighting tomorrow, there would be no Israel. It has nothing do with Muslims or Arabic people vs Jews, many of which could be partly or fully Arabic nor terrorists. Israel was founded on displacing, partly ethnically cleansing and imprisioning locals in their in own country turning them into refugees or putting ridiculous abusive checkpoints in their own areas, treating them as subhumans with a fair amount of countless acts of brutal aggression and racism in their own land which also includes Christians, Armenians and other groups. Can Israel exist ? Fine but don’t gloss over reality. Did Israel offer something good? Yes but it’s still hard to pretend it has done a lot of bad. Have most countries done horrible things in the past? Yes but the intensity of the way it’s being handled is a bit crazy and out of hand. There is nothing that can be claimed by a religious subethnicity, especially based on biblical disproven claims, if it can even be called that, that belongs to one group other than power to claim whatever they want. If you want a ethnic based country over there it should be based on majority and primarily Canaanite and Aramean ancestry, who were the earliest and longest lasting first comers. You could then argue maybe half of existing population actually aren’t originally Arabic and descend from these peoples. In either case. It’s hard to measure Jewishness because it was composed of multiple Semitic ethnicities, even if it rooted in Canaanite culture to some degree, and then converts later on both of which simply just adopted a religion, a concept which should have even less importance in the modern world. You could also argue having more Christian and Jewish influence is important because of stronger religious heritage there but that shouldn’t equate to slowly wiping out existing populations. You could argue it’s like telling people from England who descended from Anglo Saxon tribes to go back to Germany. I get the need in a way, and that area isn’t originally Arabic but I think their approach still needs work. They clearly over respond and are not strategic as they could be in avoiding civilian casualties with all the weapons and military intelligence they have, their track record doesn’t help.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 19:37:13 GMT 10
It has nothing do with Muslims or Arabic people vs Jews, many of which could be partly or fully Arabic nor terrorists. Israel was founded on displacing, partly ethnically cleansing and imprisioning locals in their in own country turning them into refugees or putting ridiculous abusive checkpoints in their own areas, treating them as subhumans with a fair amount of countless acts of brutal aggression and racism in their own land which also includes Christians, Armenians and other groups. Can Israel exist ? Fine but don’t gloss over reality. Did Israel offer something good? Yes but it’s still hard to pretend it has done a lot of bad. Have most countries done horrible things in the past? Yes but the intensity of the way it’s being handled is a bit crazy and out of hand. There is nothing that can be claimed by a religious subethnicity, especially based on biblical disproven claims, if it can even be called that, that belongs to one group other than power to claim whatever they want. If you want a ethnic based country over there it should be based on majority and primarily Canaanite and Aramean ancestry, who were the earliest and longest lasting first comers. You could then argue maybe half of existing population actually aren’t originally Arabic and descend from these peoples. In either case. It’s hard to measure Jewishness because it was composed of multiple Semitic ethnicities, even if it rooted in Canaanite culture to some degree, and then converts later on both of which simply just adopted a religion, a concept which should have even less importance in the modern world. You could also argue having more Christian and Jewish influence is important because of stronger religious heritage there but that shouldn’t equate to slowly wiping out existing populations. You could argue it’s like telling people from England who descended from Anglo Saxon tribes to go back to Germany. I get the need in a way, and that area isn’t originally Arabic but I think their approach still needs work. They clearly over respond and are not strategic as they could be in avoiding civilian casualties with all the weapons and military intelligence they have, their track record doesn’t help. What are you even responding to? When did I say anything about Arabs vs. Jews? It's Hamas's own charter that says they want to enact an ethnic cleansing of Jews. The other Arab countries have had diplomatic relations with Israel since the previous century and you'll notice none of them are so much as lifting a finger for Palestine. And Israel was not founded on displacement. If you don't believe the Biblical claim of Jewish ancestry in Israel, then believe in the archaeological/historical one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israelen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_YishuvJews did not displace anybody with the establishment of the State of Israel - it was always a Jewish country, under history's longest foreign occupation ever: first by the Romans, then the Muslim Umayyad Caliphate, then the Abbasid Caliphate, then the Crusaders, then the Abbasids again, then the Ottoman Empire, and finally by the British Empire before finally being restored to Jewish sovereignty. In that time, Jews were ethnically cleansed first by the Romans and then the Crusaders. The Palestinians themselves are not native to the land; they are descended from nomadic Bedouin tribes that actually hail from Nabatea (modern-day southern Jordan and the beginnings of Saudi Arabia) and Syria, who were welcomed there by the occupying powers. It is them who are trying to displace the Jews. Also, Israel is not an ethnic-based country. It is a multicultural, parliamentary democracy that is home to Christian Arabs and Westerners, Jews of all conceivable nationalities, Arabs of all religions, Druze, Armenians, Azeris, Bedouins (yes, the same guys as above), even some former Palestinians, Russians, and lots and lots of Ethiopians (long story, but it involved Israelis rescuing them from a despot). It was founded to finally fulfill the Jewish dream of national self-determination, which has been denied them since 79 A.D. (in case you need it simplified for you, this means the Jews of Israel were in the same position you believe the Palestinians were in for approximately 2,000 years), but it is in no way a country exclusively for Jews. It is also the only country in its surroundings that legally recognizes women's rights, LGBT rights, and freedom of religion (many countries in the area, such as the UAE, actually recognize a death penalty for being something other than a Muslim). The "abusive" checkpoints? Yeah, those were put there in the 2000s after the First and Second Intafada. There used to be an open border between Gaza and Israel and even free trade between them. Then in 1982, the PLO decided to send Palestinians strapped with bombs into Israel, where they killed almost exclusively civilians. They were taught from childhood to do that: Israel has simply been trying to defend itself from Palestine's aggression. Hell, they never even wanted Gaza and the West Bank to become Israeli territories - when they conquered both areas in 1967 (after Palestinians from those areas invaded them in a more traditional-style war), they intended to use them as bargaining chips to get Egypt and Jordan to stop invading them all the goddamn time. The problem was neither Egypt nor Jordan wanted them - they decided the Palestinians were Israel's problem, and so they have been for decades. And remember that until the early 2000s, Israel kept an open border with Palestine - they tried to work it out. But Palestine just kept sending people to kill civilians. Now Israel has far fewer civilian casualties, but that's because they have a defense apparatus including the Iron Dome. I know you are grading Israel by a double standard, either by ignorance or on purpose. But you can't blame a country for having fewer casualties than the other guy merely due to them being better at defending themselves. Or because they even care about protecting the lives of their people more than the other guy, who deliberately place their own civilians in harm's way in order to gain the sympathies of gullible Westerners such as yourself. If something like this was happening in our country, let's say Mexico had been lobbing rockets into your hometown, you would be calling for their heads on a pike. It's frankly incredible the restraint Israelis have shown in the face of the daily threats they've faced since their independence in 1948. Edit: Oh, and if you think "no other country has ever done horrible things to this intensity in the past," then maybe look at the history of our own country for a change. Here, I'll start: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tearsen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacreen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potawatomi_Trail_of_Death
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Post by slashpop on May 17, 2021 20:29:14 GMT 10
It has nothing do with Muslims or Arabic people vs Jews, many of which could be partly or fully Arabic nor terrorists. Israel was founded on displacing, partly ethnically cleansing and imprisioning locals in their in own country turning them into refugees or putting ridiculous abusive checkpoints in their own areas, treating them as subhumans with a fair amount of countless acts of brutal aggression and racism in their own land which also includes Christians, Armenians and other groups. Can Israel exist ? Fine but don’t gloss over reality. Did Israel offer something good? Yes but it’s still hard to pretend it has done a lot of bad. Have most countries done horrible things in the past? Yes but the intensity of the way it’s being handled is a bit crazy and out of hand. There is nothing that can be claimed by a religious subethnicity, especially based on biblical disproven claims, if it can even be called that, that belongs to one group other than power to claim whatever they want. If you want a ethnic based country over there it should be based on majority and primarily Canaanite and Aramean ancestry, who were the earliest and longest lasting first comers. You could then argue maybe half of existing population actually aren’t originally Arabic and descend from these peoples. In either case. It’s hard to measure Jewishness because it was composed of multiple Semitic ethnicities, even if it rooted in Canaanite culture to some degree, and then converts later on both of which simply just adopted a religion, a concept which should have even less importance in the modern world. You could also argue having more Christian and Jewish influence is important because of stronger religious heritage there but that shouldn’t equate to slowly wiping out existing populations. You could argue it’s like telling people from England who descended from Anglo Saxon tribes to go back to Germany. I get the need in a way, and that area isn’t originally Arabic but I think their approach still needs work. They clearly over respond and are not strategic as they could be in avoiding civilian casualties with all the weapons and military intelligence they have, their track record doesn’t help. What are you even responding to? When did I say anything about Arabs vs. Jews? It's Hamas's own charter that says they want to enact an ethnic cleansing of Jews. The other Arab countries have had diplomatic relations with Israel since the previous century and you'll notice none of them are so much as lifting a finger for Palestine. And Israel was not founded on displacement. If you don't believe the Biblical claim of Jewish ancestry in Israel, then believe in the archaeological/historical one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israelen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_YishuvJews did not displace anybody with the establishment of the State of Israel - it was always a Jewish country, under history's longest foreign occupation ever: first by the Romans, then the Muslim Umayyad Caliphate, then the Abbasid Caliphate, then the Crusaders, then the Abbasids again, then the Ottoman Empire, and finally by the British Empire before finally being restored to Jewish sovereignty. In that time, Jews were ethnically cleansed first by the Romans and then the Crusaders. The Palestinians themselves are not native to the land; they are descended from nomadic Bedouin tribes that actually hail from Nabatea (modern-day southern Jordan and the beginnings of Saudi Arabia) and Syria, who were welcomed there by the occupying powers. It is them who are trying to displace the Jews. Also, Israel is not an ethnic-based country. It is a multicultural, parliamentary democracy that is home to Christian Arabs and Westerners, Jews of all conceivable nationalities, Arabs of all religions, Druze, Armenians, Azeris, Bedouins (yes, the same guys as above), even some former Palestinians, Russians, and lots and lots of Ethiopians (long story, but it involved Israelis rescuing them from a despot). It was founded to finally fulfill the Jewish dream of national self-determination, which has been denied them since 79 A.D. (in case you need it simplified for you, this means the Jews of Israel were in the same position you believe the Palestinians were in for approximately 2,000 years), but it is in no way a country exclusively for Jews. It is also the only country in its surroundings that legally recognizes women's rights, LGBT rights, and freedom of religion (many countries in the area, such as the UAE, actually recognize a death penalty for being something other than a Muslim). The "abusive" checkpoints? Yeah, those were put there in the 2000s after the First and Second Intafada. There used to be an open border between Gaza and Israel and even free trade between them. Then in 1982, the PLO decided to send Palestinians strapped with bombs into Israel, where they killed almost exclusively civilians. They were taught from childhood to do that: Israel has simply been trying to defend itself from Palestine's aggression. Hell, they never even wanted Gaza and the West Bank to become Israeli territories - when they conquered both areas in 1967 (after Palestinians from those areas invaded them in a more traditional-style war), they intended to use them as bargaining chips to get Egypt and Jordan to stop invading them all the goddamn time. The problem was neither Egypt nor Jordan wanted them - they decided the Palestinians were Israel's problem, and so they have been for decades. And remember that until the early 2000s, Israel kept an open border with Palestine - they tried to work it out. But Palestine just kept sending people to kill civilians. Now Israel has far fewer civilian casualties, but that's because they have a defense apparatus including the Iron Dome. I know you are grading Israel by a double standard, either by ignorance or on purpose. But you can't blame a country for having fewer casualties than the other guy merely due to them being better at defending themselves. Or because they even care about protecting the lives of their people more than the other guy, who deliberately place their own civilians in harm's way in order to gain the sympathies of gullible Westerners such as yourself. If something like this was happening in our country, let's say Mexico had been lobbing rockets into your hometown, you would be calling for their heads on a pike. It's frankly incredible the restraint Israelis have shown in the face of the daily threats they've faced since their independence in 1948. Edit: Oh, and if you think "no other country has ever done horrible things to this intensity in the past," then maybe look at the history of our own country for a change. Here, I'll start: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tearsen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacreen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potawatomi_Trail_of_Death“Jews did not displace anybody with the establishment of the State of Israel - it was always a Jewish country, under history's longest foreign occupation ever: first by the Romans, then the Muslim Umayyad Caliphate, then the Abbasid Caliphate, then the Crusaders, then the Abbasids again, then the Ottoman Empire, and finally by the British Empire before finally being restored to Jewish sovereignty. In that time, Jews were ethnically cleansed first by the Romans and then the Crusaders. The Palestinians themselves are not native to the land; they are descended from nomadic Bedouin tribes that actually hail from Nabatea (modern-day southern Jordan and the beginnings of Saudi Arabia) and Syria, who were welcomed there by the occupying powers. It is them who are trying to displace the Jews.” After the decline of those original Jewish kingdoms and periods following the Roman expulsion, there were no modern Jewish borders or claims to the lands that seperated them off from surrounding regions to my knowledge. The original tribes of Israel were a hodgepodge of Semitic tribes both inside and outside of the modern and ancient borders not pure canaanites of the area. They only thing that they retained was a Canaanite lanuage. That’s actually really not true both Palestine and Israel are modern constructs. Jewish kingdoms that existed for period of time in the past were built on Canaan, the motherland which existed 1000s of years before Jews , pre Jewish history stretches back longer, and never purely replaced all Canaanite culture after instantly weakening the claim. The Arabic identity is mostly cultural and religious and was forced on the native non Arab local levantine Semitic populations there since they either slowly lost their languages and cultures after foreign rule and had to adapt or adopted Islam and gave up their existing culture. As a whole a small to medium sized percent settled or mixed in with native locals but not significant enough to displace or erase the bulk of original populations, this documented in numerous ancestry studies, the native levantine ancestry of southern Canaan, the original area before Jews and Arabs, (Moabites and ammonites, edomites etc) has been retained to a great degree. The majority of people who descend from Nabatean and original arabs are concentrated in Saudi Arabia, parts of southern Jordan, central arabian gulf and the fringes of the Levant, Palestine comes after these counties in terms of those descended from Arab tribes, as it isn’t high on the list. The most Canaanite area as a whole would be certain Christians and various groups generally speaking in lebanon and the northern Levant. This also applies to Christians and who are aramean, Chaldean, Assyrian and Coptic ( original Egyptians) in that region and non christians to great degree as well in the region.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 17, 2021 20:35:50 GMT 10
I have been dreading this topic coming up for days. Mainstream news media has been pretty egregiously distorting the actions of the IDF, I'm gonna be honest with you, starting with taking Hamas's casualty figures at face value. Yeah, the mainstream media coverage has been nothing short of misleading. Most of the major news outlets here at least have been "pro-Israel" in their messaging and are reporting IDF's missile targets as "terrorist" ones, but then there has also been extensive coverage of the Palestinian peaceful protests across the globe. We're definitely not getting the full picture of what is truly going on.
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Post by slashpop on May 17, 2021 21:00:49 GMT 10
I have been dreading this topic coming up for days. Mainstream news media has been pretty egregiously distorting the actions of the IDF, I'm gonna be honest with you, starting with taking Hamas's casualty figures at face value. Yeah, the mainstream media coverage has been nothing short of misleading. Most of the major news outlets here at least have been "pro-Israel" in their messaging and are reporting IDF's missile targets as "terrorist" ones, but then there has also been extensive coverage of the Palestinian peaceful protests across the globe. We're definitely not getting the full picture of what is truly going on. I think what it comes down to is decades of occupation and the aftereffects influencing terrorist groups to cause random trouble and violence and Israel disproportionately harming civilians with the justification that hamas is hiding behind civilians and that is the only way they can retaliate, which could be partially true or not true at all.
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Post by slashpop on May 17, 2021 22:03:47 GMT 10
I’m sorry I’ve worked for 3 years in an NGO where I’ve met face to face people from that region a few times who have been severely brutalized by Israeli police for no reason. From being shot act, to their homes demolished to family members being killed at random.
It is very close to what happened in South Africa.
Everyone there has to go to check points to even go to the supermarket, the laws in place don’t give Palestinians equal rights and make their life a living hell also considering the laws and loopholes that make settlers increasingly able to occupy palestinians homes included.
Anyone is free to have their opinion but denying the suffering and using misinformation and far right Zionist taking points that deny suffering is not fair.
Having a differing views in a discussion is fine but deleting ones account when confronted with common established knowledge regarding Palestinian history, injustices and rights in an already civic and respectful conversation is uncalled for, given the amount of misinformation used to harm others and ambiguity surrounding the topic. I’m not sure what exactly is going on but something seems weird, it seems odd and out of place.
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Post by slashpop on May 18, 2021 4:45:28 GMT 10
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