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Post by slashpop on May 31, 2021 16:51:57 GMT 10
While I don't mind this year, I was recently revisiting some pop culture and I would have to say my favorite period is the start of fall of 1999. Do you think its overrated or do you think it deserves more credit?
For some reason the more move you move after it, while pop culture isn't bad afterwards, it just starts progressively loosing that that 90s spark that even 1998-mid 99 had to a certain degree and it starts getting staler, not necessarily always bad but just staler.
Things that stick out:
-Y2K bug thing just wasn't that exciting as it was made out to be. It didn't really feel it was special or a turning point of any kind. The anticipation behind it wasn't even that big of a deal, it just felt like it was unlikely that anything was going to crash by the last few weeks before it happened and it almost felt like a gimmick imo.
-A lot corny music like ricky martin, jennifer lopez, will smith, lou bega, limp bizkit's poorer sounding hits, including tons of very dry euro-pop and r&b music rates a bit a worse than 1998-1999 imo but not as bad as other periods.
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Post by astropoug on May 31, 2021 17:35:41 GMT 10
One thing I'll say - a LOT of the things people like about 1999 came from the first half. The Matrix, first SpongeBob episode, first Futurama and Family Guy episode, first Sopranos episode, etc. So, in regard to 1999, the first half actually was arguably better than the second half. 1998-1999 is one of my favorite school years for pop culture, period. 1999-2000 had a much darker tone with all the nu-metal (Slipknot and Limp Bizkit blew up during this time), Courage the Cowardly Dog, Eminem's Marshall Matters LP, and darker movies like American Beauty and American Psycho. It's a strong candidate for the darkest school year of the entire 90s, even if 1999 in ITSELF isn't that dark of a year, it's just all the dark shit from late 1999 and early 2000 gives it a dark nu metal-ish mall goth vibe to it. There was still some teen pop like NSync's No Strings Attached album though, so it wasn't entirely dark, unlike the HANGOVER school year that was 2000-2001, which when I think of that school year I pretty much think of Linkin Park, Majora's Mask, American Psycho, and Hannibal.
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Post by slashpop on May 31, 2021 18:26:46 GMT 10
One thing I'll say - a LOT of the things people like about 1999 came from the first half. The Matrix, first SpongeBob episode, first Futurama and Family Guy episode, first Sopranos episode, etc. So, in regard to 1999, the first half actually was arguably better than the second half. 1998-1999 is one of my favorite school years for pop culture, period. 1999-2000 had a much darker tone with all the nu-metal (Slipknot and Limp Bizkit blew up during this time), Courage the Cowardly Dog, Eminem's Marshall Matters LP, and darker movies like American Beauty and American Psycho. It's a strong candidate for the darkest school year of the entire 90s, even if 1999 in ITSELF isn't that dark of a year, it's just all the dark shit from late 1999 and early 2000 gives it a dark nu metal-ish mall goth vibe to it. There was still some teen pop like NSync's No Strings Attached album though, so it wasn't entirely dark, unlike the HANGOVER school year that was 2000-2001, which when I think of that school year I pretty much think of Linkin Park, Majora's Mask, American Psycho, and Hannibal. Agree 1998-1999 is much richer and much more special, every month felt more changeful and it had more core 90s holdovers. Slipknot and Limp Bizkit blew up in mid 1999 though, nookie was all over mtv and the band caused riots in woodstock 99, slipknot were already big by summer 99 and on mtv, ozzfest and touring like crazy. A lot of that 2nd/3rd wave nu metal like year zero was gaining steam in late 99, while a ton of original nu metal acts were getting much more pop friendly but not completely gone like a few years later. Ironically I think crazy towns singles were bigger in 2000-2001 as I never heard any 1999. I consider fall winter 99/00 seperate from spring 2000 to summer/autumn 2001 which more fitting overall, Eminem MM LP wasn't released until may and singles around then and summer 2000. October 99 to Feb/March 2000 was kind of mixed bag of a period, with some lackluster pop culture, but still leaning to earlier years until march, but there was definitely more of a polished proto 2000s vibe, that would become more visible in 00-01, that was taking shape compared to 1998-1999. Mall goth was a thing in 1994 to 1998/99 though, 14 year girls in dark clown make up, baggy korn shirts and greenday/nin/marilyn manson patches hanging at the mall/park/school yard were not uncommon thing during the 1994-1995 and 1995-1996 school year from people aged 11-17, this type of mall goth barely existed in the early 90s, it was different. It sort continued on to 2004, hung around to 2004-2005 before emo/scene etc killed most it off in 2005- 2007 I get what you saying but would say 2002-2003 and to a lesser extent 2004 to early 2005 are among the first periods in the 2000s to have more of substanial super mainstream gothy-pop vibe influence. Ads, movies, music videos (fixations with dark 1930s/1920s etc)
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Post by jaydawg89 on May 31, 2021 18:26:54 GMT 10
I do remember plenty of people were critical of the popular culture at the time. Looking back at that period, it does come off as a bit crass.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 31, 2021 19:50:40 GMT 10
I personally consider 1999 to have been a great year for pop culture. As a matter of fact, I actually believe my birthyear gets something of a bad wrap, because people only ever think of it in a negative light by associating it with teen-pop, nu-metal and Britney Spears. The music charts from that time were pretty diverse truth be told; '90s alt-rock in particular was still a serious deal during the first-half of the year. One of my favourite alt-rock albums of the decade (Silverchair's Neon Ballroom) was released just five days before I was born. It was also an especially great year for movies; "Toy Story 2", "The Green Mile", "Stuart Little" and "The Sixth Sense" were all released during 1999.
There's a line in "The Matrix" which has always stood out for me and it's this;
To me, that line is such a perfect analogy, because I honestly do feel as though society was at it's peak just before the turn of the millennium. The anticipation for the new millennium brought us together like nothing had before or has since then. Also, looking back, 1999 feels as though it was the last year pop culture still had real substance. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to like about the trends that have existed since the year 2000, but there's a certain 'shallowness' quality to 21st Century pop culture that didn't exist prior to the start of the new millennium. So no, I don't feel as though 1999 is overrated. I believe it would have been a great time to have been alive for and I truly wish I had of been older at the time to have experienced it properly.
As for 2000, to be honest, I don't think it had as much to offer as a year. In many ways, it actually feels as though it was a weaker, "2.0 version" of 1999. I wouldn't say it is overrated though. I actually believe the opposite is true; I think it gets overlooked.
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Post by jaydawg89 on May 31, 2021 21:21:19 GMT 10
I personally consider 1999 to have been a great year for pop culture. As a matter of fact, I actually believe my birthyear gets something of a bad wrap, because people only ever think of it in a negative light by associating it with teen-pop, nu-metal and Britney Spears. The music charts from that time were pretty diverse truth be told; '90s alt-rock in particular was still a serious deal during the first-half of the year. One of my favourite alt-rock albums of the decade (Silverchair's Neon Ballroom) was released just five days before I was born. It was also an especially great year for movies; "Toy Story 2", "The Green Mile", "Stuart Little" and "The Sixth Sense" were all released during 1999. There's a line in "The Matrix" which has always stood out for me and it's this; To me, that line is such a perfect analogy, because I honestly do feel as though society was at it's peak just before the turn of the millennium. The anticipation for the new millennium brought us together like nothing had before or has since then. Also, looking back, 1999 feels as though it was the last year pop culture still had real substance. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to like about the trends that have existed since the year 2000, but there's a certain 'shallowness' quality to 21st Century pop culture that didn't exist prior to the start of the new millennium. So no, I don't feel as though 1999 is overrated. I believe it would have been a great time to have been alive for and I truly wish I had of been older at the time to have experienced it properly. As for 2000, to be honest, I don't think it had as much to offer as a year. In many ways, it actually feels as though it was a weaker, "2.0 version" of 1999. I wouldn't say it is overrated though. I actually believe the opposite is true; I think it gets overlooked. I wouldn't say it was overrated either because, it did get its criticism. Overall, it depends on what aspect you look at, 1999 was an excellent year for movies and a really awesome year for television as well (easily one of my fav years for TV), the video games were quite good (but, definitely not as strong as 1998), the internet culture was very interesting but, hadn't reached its peak yet. I'm not the biggest fan of the music tbh but, it wasn't outright terrible, as there were some gems (though, 1992 - 1996 absolutely blows 1999 out of the water in this aspect). The hype for the new millennium was pretty cool and it was an awesome/exciting time for technology. Society peaking is arguable I guess, I do remember people being much happier and chill in 1999 - 2000 than they are today in general (and more interesting, dear I say it).
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Post by slashpop on May 31, 2021 21:36:30 GMT 10
I personally consider 1999 to have been a great year for pop culture. As a matter of fact, I actually believe my birthyear gets something of a bad wrap, because people only ever think of it in a negative light by associating it with teen-pop, nu-metal and Britney Spears. The music charts from that time were pretty diverse truth be told; '90s alt-rock in particular was still a serious deal during the first-half of the year. One of my favourite alt-rock albums of the decade (Silverchair's Neon Ballroom) was released just five days before I was born. It was also an especially great year for movies; "Toy Story 2", "The Green Mile", "Stuart Little" and "The Sixth Sense" were all released during 1999. There's a line in "The Matrix" which has always stood out for me and it's this; To me, that line is such a perfect analogy, because I honestly do feel as though society was at it's peak just before the turn of the millennium. The anticipation for the new millennium brought us together like nothing had before or has since then. Also, looking back, 1999 feels as though it was the last year pop culture still had real substance. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to like about the trends that have existed since the year 2000, but there's a certain 'shallowness' quality to 21st Century pop culture that didn't exist prior to the start of the new millennium. So no, I don't feel as though 1999 is overrated. I believe it would have been a great time to have been alive for and I truly wish I had of been older at the time to have experienced it properly. As for 2000, to be honest, I don't think it had as much to offer as a year. In many ways, it actually feels as though it was a weaker, "2.0 version" of 1999. I wouldn't say it is overrated though. I actually believe the opposite is true; I think it gets overlooked. Totally valid points but I think what we are discussing here is about late 1999 and early 2000 as opposed to 1999 as whole and also very specific 1999-2000 culture within that period and compared to surrounding years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 6:50:57 GMT 10
It's not, in my opinion. That was one of the better eras of my formative years and therefore, I'm fond of it's pop culture.
I can 100% understand zoomers not liking it though, just like I don't care much for the late 1970s.
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Post by slashpop on Jun 5, 2021 12:56:49 GMT 10
It's not, in my opinion. That was one of the better eras of my formative years and therefore, I'm fond of it's pop culture. I can 100% understand zoomers not liking it though, just like I don't care much for the late 1970s. Is it better or worse than 1998-1999 in your opinion. Why it good exactly to you ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 11:00:55 GMT 10
It's not, in my opinion. That was one of the better eras of my formative years and therefore, I'm fond of it's pop culture. I can 100% understand zoomers not liking it though, just like I don't care much for the late 1970s. Is it better or worse than 1998-1999 in your opinion. Why it good exactly to you ? I personally liked 1999-00 better than 1998-99. The 1998-99 school year was one of my worst. Everything was better in the 1999-00 school year IMO. Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP and Dr. Dre's 2001 are two of the most influential albums for what 2000s hip-hop would become. I liked the short-lived Latin pop fad around that time. Preppy fashion overtook goth/skater that year. There was a lot of school shooting hysteria during the '98-99 year due to Columbine, but most of that had subsided in the '99-00 year. I liked the dot com boom and the associated culture, and that was much more prevalent in '99-00. Most of what I liked better though was related to my personal life.
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Post by slashpop on Jun 8, 2021 20:33:27 GMT 10
Is it better or worse than 1998-1999 in your opinion. Why it good exactly to you ? I personally liked 1999-00 better than 1998-99. The 1998-99 school year was one of my worst. Everything was better in the 1999-00 school year IMO. Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP and Dr. Dre's 2001 are two of the most influential albums for what 2000s hip-hop would become. I liked the short-lived Latin pop fad around that time. Preppy fashion overtook goth/skater that year. There was a lot of school shooting hysteria during the '98-99 year due to Columbine, but most of that had subsided in the '99-00 year. I liked the dot com boom and the associated culture, and that was much more prevalent in '99-00. Most of what I liked better though was related to my personal life. what I like about the year it was the last period up until early 2000 that had some 98-99 vibes, and traces of some core 90s. The fall felt closer to the summer 99 vibe, not that different. There were also really good games out at that time. A great time for Dreamcast, N64. Cds weren’t entirely replaced by file sharing, Zip disks, minidiscs, floppies and tapes were still used and not technically outdated. A number of bands and single, even if not all, still had a vague 90s spirit and could pass in 1997. Curtained hair wasn’t entirely dead. Pokemania was still in effect and not cheap and overdone like most of 2000. Lots of things are closer to 1998 than 2001 which is what I like most. I can’t really say that for the tail end of 99-00 and 00-01 I feel like those Eminem and Dre albums were more representative of summer 2000 to mid 2001, they may be good in certain ways but what I mean is the era. Dre only had a few singles out in 99-2000, Eminem first singles and MM album was released at the very end of the school year I think around May/June 2000, more of summer 2000 thing to me personally. I think preppy Y2K fashion was there earlier but it definitely got preppier in 99-00. Skateboard fashion style from 1993 actually got more and mainstream around 94/1995-1999 and became a super common mainstream look around 2000-2001 Skater from 1993  Y2K preppy look got mixed into macho baggy style pulled from mid 90s skateboard and hip hop fashion. Goth wasnt really mainstream in 98-99 it just had more mainstream presence and acceptance from 95-98/99 even 99/00 to some extent
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