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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 5, 2022 11:23:21 GMT 10
1980s: 1985-1986 (originally I would say 1984-1985 all the way but that is a close second) 1990: 1995-1996 (or just 1995 as a whole. I was thinking about saying 1994-1995 as that is a great contender but I think 1995-1996 had the perfect blend of classic and modern 90s. If I had a choice, I'd choose both) 2000s: 2005-2006 (any school year from 2004-2005 to 2006-2007 makes sense here) 2010s: 2015-2016 (no brainer but I could also see 2016-2017 come to think of it). What you probably think of when I think of the classic 90s, I've always referred to as the "Gen-X 90s", which I would say really encompasses 1992-1995 at its core. This is the 90s of grunge, gangsta rap, Genesis and SNES, Classic Sonic the Hedgehog, Beavis and Butthead, and overall that whole sarcastic, angsty, apathetic "whatever" attitude that is stereotypically associated with the decade. As for the later 90s, I refer to them as the "millennial 90s", which is basically the 90s of the N64/PS1, Windows 9x, the dot-com bubble, and teen pop. I'd say it lasted from 1997-2000. 1996 is somewhere in between, being defined by the 2D/3D gaming transistion, the last prominent year of gangsta rap and 90s alternative, whilst also having cheesy pop like the Macarena. Movies were actually already in the millennial 90s in my opinion, with movies like Independence Day, Twister, Space Jam, and Scream. Nice! I just made a thread about that on the 90s subforum. You should post there. That's a nice way of looking at it. The classic 90s is absolutely the "Gen X 90s" while the modern 90s is moreso the "millennial 90s", especially by 1999. 1997-1998, while obviously modern 90s, was a blend between Gen X and Millennial oriented teen/youth culture. But everything you mentioned here is on point. 1996 is a weird year to place, although I think it makes sense to say the first half should definitely go in the classic 90s portion, especially since Tupac was still alive, the N64 dropped in June of that year and didn't blow up until September (the 1996-97' school year), which the started the competition with the PlayStation, officially beginning the 5th generation of video games (Sega Saturn was dead by that point I think).
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Post by John Titor on Apr 5, 2022 11:46:05 GMT 10
1980s: 1985-1986 (originally I would say 1984-1985 all the way but that is a close second) 1990: 1995-1996 (or just 1995 as a whole. I was thinking about saying 1994-1995 as that is a great contender but I think 1995-1996 had the perfect blend of classic and modern 90s. If I had a choice, I'd choose both) 2000s: 2005-2006 (any school year from 2004-2005 to 2006-2007 makes sense here) 2010s: 2015-2016 (no brainer but I could also see 2016-2017 come to think of it). What you probably think of when I think of the classic 90s, I've always referred to as the "Gen-X 90s", which I would say really encompasses 1992-1995 at its core. This is the 90s of grunge, gangsta rap, Genesis and SNES, Classic Sonic the Hedgehog, Beavis and Butthead, and overall that whole sarcastic, angsty, apathetic "whatever" attitude that is stereotypically associated with the decade. As for the later 90s, I refer to them as the "millennial 90s", which is basically the 90s of the N64/PS1, Windows 9x, the dot-com bubble, and teen pop. I'd say it lasted from 1997-2000. 1996 is somewhere in between, being defined by the 2D/3D gaming transistion, the last prominent year of gangsta rap and 90s alternative, whilst also having cheesy pop like the Macarena. Movies were actually already in the millennial 90s in my opinion, with movies like Independence Day, Twister, Space Jam, and Scream. So back in 95 and early 96 I visited my brother's high school at the time a few times actually and it was exactly how you would imagine it was. Movies that came out in 95 emulated the vibe perfectly. For some reason CASPER and Mall Rats pull off the vibe the most. Super doomer vibes, super depressed, boomboxes in the hallway playing some alternative song or something.
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Post by crystalmetheny0428 on Apr 5, 2022 11:58:27 GMT 10
What you probably think of when I think of the classic 90s, I've always referred to as the "Gen-X 90s", which I would say really encompasses 1992-1995 at its core. This is the 90s of grunge, gangsta rap, Genesis and SNES, Classic Sonic the Hedgehog, Beavis and Butthead, and overall that whole sarcastic, angsty, apathetic "whatever" attitude that is stereotypically associated with the decade. As for the later 90s, I refer to them as the "millennial 90s", which is basically the 90s of the N64/PS1, Windows 9x, the dot-com bubble, and teen pop. I'd say it lasted from 1997-2000. 1996 is somewhere in between, being defined by the 2D/3D gaming transistion, the last prominent year of gangsta rap and 90s alternative, whilst also having cheesy pop like the Macarena. Movies were actually already in the millennial 90s in my opinion, with movies like Independence Day, Twister, Space Jam, and Scream. So back in 95 and early 96 I visited my brother's high school at the time a few times actually and it was exactly how you would imagine it was. Movies that came out in 95 emulated the vibe perfectly. For some reason CASPER and Mall Rats pull off the vibe the most. Super doomer vibes, super depressed, boomboxes in the hallway playing some alternative song or something. i thought high school would be like clueless when i was in middle school… boy was i wrong
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Post by John Titor on Apr 5, 2022 12:04:46 GMT 10
So back in 95 and early 96 I visited my brother's high school at the time a few times actually and it was exactly how you would imagine it was. Movies that came out in 95 emulated the vibe perfectly. For some reason CASPER and Mall Rats pull off the vibe the most. Super doomer vibes, super depressed, boomboxes in the hallway playing some alternative song or something. i thought high school would be like clueless when i was in middle school… boy was i wrong hahaha yeah
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Post by astropoug on Apr 5, 2022 13:05:16 GMT 10
Here are some of the things that really define the Gen X 90s to me
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Post by astropoug on Apr 5, 2022 13:17:03 GMT 10
My mother helped with the selection, since she likes pretty much all of the pop culture on my list. This is definitely one of, if not her absolute favorite era for pop culture (it's at least up there with the previous Neon Era, from 1988-1991).
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Post by astropoug on Apr 5, 2022 13:22:18 GMT 10
Also commercials like this
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 5, 2022 13:28:17 GMT 10
No wonder why apparently on internet circles with many Gen Xers, the 90s ended in 1994 or 1995. Or at least the real 90s.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 5, 2022 13:33:41 GMT 10
No wonder why apparently on internet circles with many Gen Xers, the 90s ended in 1994 or 1995. Or at least the real 90s. I think the Gen X 90s truly died in 1997, when Biggie Smalls died, teen pop became mainstream, 3D gaming took over, Beavis and Butthead ended, and the Simpsons episode The Principal and the Pauper aired, which is said to have killed the show. In the place of the latter two, you had South Park, Daria, and King of the Hill, which all became icons of the millennial 90s (and in the case of the former, became one of the quintessential millennial TV shows PERIOD, alongside Friends, Family Guy, SpongeBob, and The Office). It's funny though because my mother DOES really like South Park and SpongeBob, and she does like a fair amount of millennial 90s culture in general, especially movies and (primarily rock) music. At least for music, it seems she lost interest around the time Linkin Park blew up in the mainstream, with certain exceptions. Combine that with many bands she loved breaking up or going inactive throughout the late 90s to mid 00s, and that kinda killed her interest in music. Funny enough, she actually likes the 2010s for music to an extent, mostly because of the EDM boom that happened in the 2010s, and it's probably her second favorite genre of music behind rock (fittingly, EDM was also popular during the Gen X 90s).
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 5, 2022 13:41:23 GMT 10
No wonder why apparently on internet circles with many Gen Xers, the 90s ended in 1994 or 1995. Or at least the real 90s. I think the Gen X 90s truly died in 1997, when Biggie Smalls died, teen pop became mainstream, 3D gaming took over, Beavis and Butthead ended, and the Simpsons episode The Principal and the Pauper aired, which is said to have killed the show. In the place of the latter two, you had South Park, Daria, and King of the Hill, which all became icons of the millennial 90s (and in the case of the former, became one of the quintessential millennial TV shows PERIOD, alongside Friends, Family Guy, SpongeBob, and The Office). 1997 sounds appropriate officially. I think 1996 is when the Gen X 90s truly died due to the end of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Tupac's death, the Spice Girls making their way to the US and beginning the transition into the teen pop era (which started officially in 1997 in the US, but in 1995 in European countries), a lot of early 90s influences died that year as well (which is just a follow up from the first point). But I think it entirely died by 1998 or 1999. The final nail in the coffin was probably Woodstock '99. 2000 was generally not appealing to Gen Xers at all. Sure, Gen Xers obviously had the dominant influence in pop culture until 2008-ish (the transition from Gen X to Millennial dominant artists was around 2005 to 2010/1 broadly speaking), but the late 90s was certainly geared more towards Millennials. 'Barbie Girl' felt a lot different from a song like say 'Come to My Window' or 'Linger'. Both core 90's but the former is more "Millennial 90s" while the latter two are more "Gen X 90s". This is in the US at least. The Millennial 90s could've started in say Germany in '95 instead.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 5, 2022 13:52:41 GMT 10
I think the Gen X 90s truly died in 1997, when Biggie Smalls died, teen pop became mainstream, 3D gaming took over, Beavis and Butthead ended, and the Simpsons episode The Principal and the Pauper aired, which is said to have killed the show. In the place of the latter two, you had South Park, Daria, and King of the Hill, which all became icons of the millennial 90s (and in the case of the former, became one of the quintessential millennial TV shows PERIOD, alongside Friends, Family Guy, SpongeBob, and The Office). 1997 sounds appropriate officially. I think 1996 is when the Gen X 90s truly died due to the end of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Tupac's death, the Spice Girls making their way to the US and beginning the transition into the teen pop era (which started officially in 1997 in the US, but in 1995 in European countries), a lot of early 90s influences died that year as well (which is just a follow up from the first point). But I think it entirely died by 1998 or 1999. The final nail in the coffin was probably Woodstock '99. 2000 was generally not appealing to Gen Xers at all. Sure, Gen Xers obviously had the dominant influence in pop culture until 2008-ish (the transition from Gen X to Millennial dominant artists was around 2005 to 2010/1 broadly speaking), but the late 90s was certainly geared more towards Millennials. 'Barbie Girl' felt a lot different from a song like say 'Come to My Window' or 'Linger'. Both core 90's but the former is more "Millennial 90s" while the latter two are more "Gen X 90s". This is in the US at least. The Millennial 90s could've started in say Germany in '95 instead. My mother actually does like a fair bit of Y2K era culture, it's really around the time 9/11 happened that she lost interest for the most part. Even still, she doesn't like it nearly as much as the early-mid 90s. It's funny you bring up Linger because that's a song by The Cranberries, a band my mother also likes. Likewise, my father also likes a good bit of late 90s/Y2K era culture, particularly the original PlayStation (he was a fan of games like Resident Evil and Tomb Raider), and some rock music (mostly nu metal bands like Disturbed, which my mother also likes). Of course, he wouldn't be caught dead listening to teen pop, so combine that with the games listed, you could see he likes the darker/edgier side of millennium era culture.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 6, 2022 5:32:51 GMT 10
The more I think of it, the more I realize that whilst 1997/1998 was quite different from the previous 90s in many ways, there were still ties to the core 90s. 90s alternative was still popular during this time. Think bands like Third Eye Blind, The Verve, Goo Goo Dolls, and as you brought up in the classic/modern 90s thread, Sugar Ray. By 1999, this is when bands we associate with the early 2000s like Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Creed, and Blink-182 blew up in popularity.
I think culturally, 1997/1998 was a mixture of Gen-X culture and oncoming millennial culture. I think rock in 1997/1998 was still geared mostly towards Gen X, but pop and rap had already shifted toward millennial culture. 1999 is really when the millennial zeitgeist across the board was solidified.
I'd check out this video to understand the shift that happened in 1999.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 6, 2022 8:32:14 GMT 10
The more I think of it, the more I realize that whilst 1997/1998 was quite different from the previous 90s in many ways, there were still ties to the core 90s. 90s alternative was still popular during this time. Think bands like Third Eye Blind, The Verve, Goo Goo Dolls, and as you brought up in the classic/modern 90s thread, Sugar Ray. By 1999, this is when bands we associate with the early 2000s like Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Creed, and Blink-182 blew up in popularity. I think culturally, 1997/1998 was a mixture of Gen-X culture and oncoming millennial culture. I think rock in 1997/1998 was still geared mostly towards Gen X, but pop and rap had already shifted toward millennial culture. 1999 is really when the millennial zeitgeist across the board was solidified. I'd check out this video to understand the shift that happened in 1999. Something interesting to note is that Sam Goody shifted entirely to teen pop playing in their store from 97 onward until Fall 2001
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Post by astropoug on Apr 6, 2022 9:02:12 GMT 10
The Backstreet Boys in my opinion really bookended and defined that whole era for me. This was the album that began the boy band era  And this was the last big teen pop album 
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Post by John Titor on Apr 6, 2022 9:35:42 GMT 10
The Backstreet Boys in my opinion really bookended and defined that whole era for me. This was the album that began the boy band era And this was the last big teen pop album correct ! and before someone runs in here and says Nsync's album Celebrity was the last big one...WRONG lol it was never popular with the GP. You could tell after Black and Blue came out that was pretty much it for Teen Pop having legs, from November 2000 to Mid 2001 it became a joke with Simpson cross overs, to The WB placement to even SuperBowl commercials disguised as music videos lol
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