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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 6:03:37 GMT 10
Bedroom pop is probably the most definitive genre of the early 2020s (and 2019) so far. Artists like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo are inescapable. Like all fads though, this will eventually peak and decline. Interesting thing to me about bedroom pop is it isn't a new sound and it has it's roots in 2013 with "Royals" by Lorde and the sound was more or less present throughout the 2010s. However, it was never as dominating as it has been since 2019.
Do you think bedroom pop has peaked yet? If not, how much longer do you think it has?
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Post by John Titor on Jun 17, 2021 6:34:29 GMT 10
Bedroom pop is probably the most definitive genre of the early 2020s (and 2019) so far. Artists like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo are inescapable. Like all fads though, this will eventually peak and decline. Interesting thing to me about bedroom pop is it isn't a new sound and it has it's roots in 2013 with "Royals" by Lorde and the sound was more or less present throughout the 2010s. However, it was never as dominating as it has been since 2019. Do you think bedroom pop has peaked yet? If not, how much longer do you think it has? Olivia has moved onto more pop punk and rock influences ,bedroom pop is pretty much falling apart now. It had been on it's legs in 2019 tbh also Billie is starting to move in a new direction herself.
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Post by 10slover on Jun 17, 2021 7:14:28 GMT 10
Olivia Rodrigo is bedroom pop? I thought she just made boring ballads and pop rock.
Billie is slowly losing her relevance, not sure if it's because bedroom pop is dying off or because people got tired of her novelty lullabies and songs that sound the same.
Either way, i guess it is kind of down right now. People are starting to ditch the dark-slow "moody" aesthetic of the late 2010s for a happy "sunny" vibe.i
I expect Billie and her boring copycats will have to up their games if they want to stay relevant in 2022-2023, no one will want to listen to sad music after the coronapocalypse ends.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 7:35:52 GMT 10
Olivia Rodrigo is bedroom pop? I thought she just made boring ballads and pop rock. Billie is slowly losing her relevance, not sure if it's because bedroom pop is dying off or because people got tired of her novelty lullabies and songs that sound the same. Either way, i guess it is kind of down right now. People are starting to ditch the dark-slow "moody" aesthetic of the late 2010s for a happy "sunny" vibe.i I expect Billie and her boring copycats will have to up their games if they want to stay relevant in 2022-2023, no one will want to listen to sad music after the coronapocalypse ends. I love that name lol! Bilie is slowly losing relevance. She is not as huge as she was in 2019 or 2020. Olivia Rodrigo stole her crown. I think people got bored of Bilie. Bilie changed her image recently for a more raunchy style, but I do not think that benefited her. Artists are backlashing against the dark, depressing, grungy, emo, moody and pessimistic late 2010s for an upbeat vibe as you said. I predict Billie and some of her spawns will decline throughout the rest of 2021 into 2022, fail to clinch onto relevancy in 2023 and fall off by 2024. Olivia Rodrigo will probably manage to stay relevant until around 2024 to 2026 since she blew up in 2021. She may disappear by 2027.
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Post by 10slover on Jun 17, 2021 8:09:33 GMT 10
Olivia Rodrigo is bedroom pop? I thought she just made boring ballads and pop rock. Billie is slowly losing her relevance, not sure if it's because bedroom pop is dying off or because people got tired of her novelty lullabies and songs that sound the same. Either way, i guess it is kind of down right now. People are starting to ditch the dark-slow "moody" aesthetic of the late 2010s for a happy "sunny" vibe.i I expect Billie and her boring copycats will have to up their games if they want to stay relevant in 2022-2023, no one will want to listen to sad music after the coronapocalypse ends. I love that name lol! Bilie is slowly losing relevance. She is not as huge as she was in 2019 or 2020. Olivia Rodrigo stole her crown. I think people got bored of Bilie. Bilie changed her image recently for a more raunchy style, but I do not think that benefited her. Artists are backlashing against the dark, depressing, grungy, emo, moody and pessimistic late 2010s for an upbeat vibe as you said. I predict Billie and some of her spawns will decline throughout the rest of 2021 into 2022, fail to clinch onto relevancy in 2023 and fall off by 2024. Olivia Rodrigo will probably manage to stay relevant until around 2024 to 2026 since she blew up in 2021. She may disappear by 2027. Yup! I agree. Billie should've tried making songs that sound like "therefore i am", it's happier, with "electro" production and funny lyrics. But she keeps releasing stuff that sounds straight out of her first album, she should've went for a happier indie-pop, rock influenced sound. Like, imagine if Britney kept releasing teen pop songs when the genre was dying, she would've had fallen off the public conciouness by 2004. I can see Olivia becoming much bigger in the future, i think the next step for her is releasing a full-on Max Martin produced early 2000s teen pop song, the public are definitely ready for that, and she would be the first one to do it... (If you don't count Meghan Trainor's smewhat successful attempt way back in 2015). If Olivia plays her cards right, there's a chance that she stays relevant for 10 years (or more).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 8:22:29 GMT 10
I love that name lol! Bilie is slowly losing relevance. She is not as huge as she was in 2019 or 2020. Olivia Rodrigo stole her crown. I think people got bored of Bilie. Bilie changed her image recently for a more raunchy style, but I do not think that benefited her. Artists are backlashing against the dark, depressing, grungy, emo, moody and pessimistic late 2010s for an upbeat vibe as you said. I predict Billie and some of her spawns will decline throughout the rest of 2021 into 2022, fail to clinch onto relevancy in 2023 and fall off by 2024. Olivia Rodrigo will probably manage to stay relevant until around 2024 to 2026 since she blew up in 2021. She may disappear by 2027. Yup! I agree. Billie should've tried making songs that sound like "therefore i am", it's happier, with "electro" production and funny lyrics. But she keeps releasing stuff that sounds straight out of her first album, she should've went for a happier indie-pop, rock influenced sound. Like, imagine if Britney kept releasing teen pop songs when the genre was dying, she would've had fallen off the public conciouness by 2004. I can see Olivia become much bigger in the future, i think the next step for her is releasing a full-on Max Martin produced early 2000s teen pop song, the public are definitely ready for that, and she would be the first one to do it... (If you don't count Meghan Trainor's smewhat successful attempt way back in 2015). Exactly! I’m with you on all that. Billie should’ve tried to make happier, funnier and catchier songs instead of a sequel of her first album. People are getting sick and tired of sad, slow and depressing songs. I can’t blame them because most of us are stuck at home thanks to the pandemic. People want to get out of the house and party or just have a great time, live life. I couldn’t imagine if Britney kept releasing teen pop in the 2000s. She would’ve fallen off the charts in the mid 2000s. People would’ve dismissed her as an artist whose behind the times. If Bilie doesn’t adapt quick enough, she might as well be irrelevant by fall 2021. I’m surprised she managed to stay somewhat relevant because I thought she was exposed as a fraud or for something in 2019. Olivia releasing a Max Martin sounding song will be the next step for her. She’ll be the first. She might add a 2020s, pop punk or rock twist to it. Yes people are craving something sugary with maybe a dash of edge. I imagine AI starting to influence the music industry in the mid 2020s.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 17, 2021 8:55:53 GMT 10
Olivia has moved onto more pop punk and rock influences ,bedroom pop is pretty much falling apart now. It had been on it's legs in 2019 tbh also Billie is starting to move in a new direction herself. Do you think bedroom pop or trap is seen as how teen pop was in 2001? not even close, Teen pop was in everything from commercials to video games, to fonts, to movies to to to everything lol you couldn't blink and not see teen pop Example
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 8:56:51 GMT 10
Bedroom pop is probably the most definitive genre of the early 2020s (and 2019) so far. Artists like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo are inescapable. Like all fads though, this will eventually peak and decline. Interesting thing to me about bedroom pop is it isn't a new sound and it has it's roots in 2013 with "Royals" by Lorde and the sound was more or less present throughout the 2010s. However, it was never as dominating as it has been since 2019. Do you think bedroom pop has peaked yet? If not, how much longer do you think it has? I would say the bedroom pop sound has their roots back to 2011 when Adele released her “21” album or back to 2008 when she released her “19” album. Adele got more popular around late 2011 which was when I first heard “Rolling in the Deep.” To answer your questions, I think bedroom pop peaked in 2019 or 2020. In the future, bedroom pop will likely seen as a 2010s fad. Now bedroom pop seems to be slowly declining in favor of pop rock or pop punk. I predict bedroom pop will fail to hang on in some form in 2022 and 2023, before dying off in 2024 or it might take on a new sound. Bedroom pop might be seen now as uncool like how teen pop was uncool in 2001. That sound is long in the tooth and belongs to the 2010s. I tend to judge what's popular by what is trending on YouTube and what plays on iHeartRadio Top 40 stations like 102.7 KIIS FM and it's clones. Bedroom pop, or dark/slow, moody songs with lots of lo-fi influences if I want to be broader, is still going very strong in both of those arenas. I don't think a new status quo has taken hold quite yet even if there are hints of changes on the horizon. I hope you are right about bedroom pop dying off in 2023 or 2024, though I'd be glad if it happened sooner. Y2K era teen pop died pretty suddenly in the fall of 2001.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 17, 2021 8:58:38 GMT 10
I would say the bedroom pop sound has their roots back to 2011 when Adele released her “21” album or back to 2008 when she released her “19” album. Adele got more popular around late 2011 which was when I first heard “Rolling in the Deep.” To answer your questions, I think bedroom pop peaked in 2019 or 2020. In the future, bedroom pop will likely seen as a 2010s fad. Now bedroom pop seems to be slowly declining in favor of pop rock or pop punk. I predict bedroom pop will fail to hang on in some form in 2022 and 2023, before dying off in 2024 or it might take on a new sound. Bedroom pop might be seen now as uncool like how teen pop was uncool in 2001. That sound is long in the tooth and belongs to the 2010s. I tend to judge what's popular by what is trending on YouTube and what plays on iHeartRadio Top 40 stations like 102.7 KIIS FM and it's clones. Bedroom pop, or dark/slow, moody songs with lots of lo-fi influences if I want to be broader, is still going very strong in both of those arenas. I don't think a new status quo has taken hold quite yet even if there are hints of changes on the horizon. I hope you are right about bedroom pop dying off in 2023 or 2024, though I'd be glad if it happened sooner. Y2K era teen pop died pretty suddenly in the fall of 2001. www.vulture.com/2021/05/olivia-rodrigo-good-4-u-debut-no-1-chart-record.htmlwww.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9462050/machine-gun-kelly-top-rock-albums-chart/it has taken over lol what do you mean
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 9:21:58 GMT 10
^^^ Despite how much you want pop punk to take over the airwaves, that simply isn't reality yet.
The Machine Gun Kelly song wasn't as impactful as you seem to believe that it was. Below is the chart performance of Transparent Soul. These numbers don't jive with your narrative that this is the sound of the 2020s.
Belgium (Ultratip Flanders): 44 Canada (Canadian Hot 100): 76 Ireland (IRMA): 35 New Zealand Hot Singles (RMNZ): 16 UK Singles (OCC): 46 US Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles (Billboard): 2 US Hot Rock & Alternative Songs (Billboard): 14 US Rock Airplay (Billboard): 38
There are finally some new electropop songs coming out that I really like, but that doesn't mean that we are in a new electropop era. We won't be until those kind of songs start charting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 10:02:33 GMT 10
I would say the bedroom pop sound has their roots back to 2011 when Adele released her “21” album or back to 2008 when she released her “19” album. Adele got more popular around late 2011 which was when I first heard “Rolling in the Deep.” To answer your questions, I think bedroom pop peaked in 2019 or 2020. In the future, bedroom pop will likely seen as a 2010s fad. Now bedroom pop seems to be slowly declining in favor of pop rock or pop punk. I predict bedroom pop will fail to hang on in some form in 2022 and 2023, before dying off in 2024 or it might take on a new sound. Bedroom pop might be seen now as uncool like how teen pop was uncool in 2001. That sound is long in the tooth and belongs to the 2010s. I tend to judge what's popular by what is trending on YouTube and what plays on iHeartRadio Top 40 stations like 102.7 KIIS FM and it's clones. Bedroom pop, or dark/slow, moody songs with lots of lo-fi influences if I want to be broader, is still going very strong in both of those arenas. I don't think a new status quo has taken hold quite yet even if there are hints of changes on the horizon. I hope you are right about bedroom pop dying off in 2023 or 2024, though I'd be glad if it happened sooner. Y2K era teen pop died pretty suddenly in the fall of 2001. I noticed LoFi infiltrating rap and R&B since late 2016 to 2017 with roots from 2013 to mid 2016. I hear R&B now that can easily come out in the late 2010s. For example, Mac Ayers “Nothing Else” from his January 2021 album “Magic 8Ball” sounds like it can be straight off his 2017, or 2018 album and fit in fine. You’re right that LoFi is still going strong. Plenty of my college and university friends still listen to that and Vaporwave. We’re in a transition right now which is almost done. A new status quo is emerging, but it isn’t solidified yet. I predict by fall 2021 around late September to early November, we’ll be in the cultural early 2020s, which is when the new status quo solidifies. If I’m wrong about bedroom pop dying in 2023 or 2024, then bedroom pop will adapt a new sound sometime in either of those years, maybe an uptempo sound. I’d also be glad if bedroom pop died by fall 2021, but that’s wishful thinking and me getting my hopes up too soon.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 17, 2021 10:14:18 GMT 10
^^^ Despite how much you want pop punk to take over the airwaves, that simply isn't reality yet. The Machine Gun Kelly song wasn't as impactful as you seem to believe that it was. Below is the chart performance of Transparent Soul. These numbers don't jive with your narrative that this is the sound of the 2020s. Belgium (Ultratip Flanders): 44 Canada (Canadian Hot 100): 76 Ireland (IRMA): 35 New Zealand Hot Singles (RMNZ): 16 UK Singles (OCC): 46 US Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles (Billboard): 2 US Hot Rock & Alternative Songs (Billboard): 14 US Rock Airplay (Billboard): 38 There are finally some new electropop songs coming out that I really like, but that doesn't mean that we are in a new electropop era. We won't be until those kind of songs start charting. Also MGK won Billboard Rock artist of the year, let that sink in again, rock artist of the year,also USA today did an article about pop punk taking over www.usatoday.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fentertainment%2Fmusic%2F2021%2F06%2F05%2Folivia-rodrigo-machine-gun-kelly-willow-smith-travis-barker-among-pop-punk-revivalists%2F7470100002%2FAlso the electropop I am talking about is something you haven't heard yet, its for an artist on Interscope records. I can't say much about it because I don't want to get her in trouble. There is a new type of electropop that is coming. Also you are discounting streaming numbers as well, Good 4 u also shattered streaming numbers. I get what you are saying about bedroom pop but it really has been on the down swing for some time now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 10:42:46 GMT 10
I tend to judge what's popular by what is trending on YouTube and what plays on iHeartRadio Top 40 stations like 102.7 KIIS FM and it's clones. Bedroom pop, or dark/slow, moody songs with lots of lo-fi influences if I want to be broader, is still going very strong in both of those arenas. I don't think a new status quo has taken hold quite yet even if there are hints of changes on the horizon. I hope you are right about bedroom pop dying off in 2023 or 2024, though I'd be glad if it happened sooner. Y2K era teen pop died pretty suddenly in the fall of 2001. I noticed LoFi infiltrating rap and R&B since late 2016 to 2017 with roots from 2013 to mid 2016. I hear R&B now that can easily come out in the late 2010s. For example, Mac Ayers “Nothing Else” from his January 2021 album “Magic 8Ball” sounds like it can be straight off his 2017, or 2018 album and fit in fine. You’re right that LoFi is still going strong. Plenty of my college and university friends still listen to that and Vaporwave. We’re in a transition right now which is almost done. A new status quo is emerging, but it isn’t solidified yet. I predict by fall 2021 around late September to early November, we’ll be in the cultural early 2020s, which is when the new status quo solidifies. If I’m wrong about bedroom pop dying in 2023 or 2024, then bedroom pop will adapt a new sound sometime in either of those years, maybe an uptempo sound. I’d also be glad if bedroom pop died by fall 2021, but that’s wishful thinking and me getting my hopes up too soon. I was never a big fan of vaporwave. I listened to Lo-Fi quite a bit in 2018 and 19 but then got tired of it. It's okay for background music but honestly, I'd prefer psychedelic trance. The current era of hip-hop has really lasted since 2011 if you want to get down to it. If I were to compare this musical era to a previous era, I'd say it's similar to 1990 to '92. It took the '80s a long time to fade out in the early '90s.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Jun 18, 2021 13:42:13 GMT 10
I was never a big fan of vaporwave. I listened to Lo-Fi quite a bit in 2018 and 19 but then got tired of it. It's okay for background music but honestly, I'd prefer psychedelic trance. The current era of hip-hop has really lasted since 2011 if you want to get down to it. If I were to compare this musical era to a previous era, I'd say it's similar to 1990 to '92. It took the '80s a long time to fade out in the early '90s. I’m also not a big Vapor-Wave fan, although I listened to it a bit in 2018 and 2019. I think Vapor-Wave has been around since 2009 or 2010. I also used to listen to Lo-Fi a lot from 2017 to mid 2018. I still listened to Lo-Fi from late 2018 to 2019, but not as much as earlier. Then I also got tired of it. I don’t find myself listening to that as much as I used to, maybe certain tracks or the Lo-Fi 1990s hip hop mix, but rarely. Lo-Fi and Vapor-Wave makes me sad and nostalgic for times I’ll never get back, late 2018 to 2019. I agree that Lo-Fi is fine for background music. I think an AT&T commercial in 2019 used a Lo-Fi beat. I have to check out psychedelic trance. You’re right that the current hip hop era has broadly lasted since 2011 or maybe fall 2010 because that’s when trap broke out. Most of 2010 hip hop sounds late 2000s or in the same era as 2007 or 2008. We got multiple waves of trap, fall 2010 to summer 2013, fall 2013 to summer 2016, fall 2016 to summer 2019, fall 2019 to now. These timelines maybe off. No doubt that this current musical era is reminiscent of 1990 to 1992 with the 1980s and 2010s sounds staying past their welcome in the early 1990s and early 2020s respectively. I remember people comparing 2020 to 1990. They’re not wrong. Fun fact: the 2020s until 2028 have the same calendar as the 1990s. IMO these are the different eras of trap... 2010-2013 (Waka Flocka Flame, Roscoe Dash, Future, Rick Ross, Lil Wayne, 2Chainz, etc.) 2013-2016 (Rich Homie Quan, Young Thug, Fetty Wap, Desiigner, Rae Sremmurd, etc.) 2016-2018 (Lil Yachty, 6ix9ine, Lil Pump, XXXTentacion, Juice WRLD, Travis Scott, etc.) 2019-now (Lil Baby, DaBaby, Polo G, Rod Wave, Roddy Ricch, Megan Thee Stallion, etc.) Obviously some artists like Drake, Future, Migos, Travis Scott, etc. have hits that go beyond these eras, but they adapt to the new era's sound.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 2:20:38 GMT 10
I’m also not a big Vapor-Wave fan, although I listened to it a bit in 2018 and 2019. I think Vapor-Wave has been around since 2009 or 2010. I also used to listen to Lo-Fi a lot from 2017 to mid 2018. I still listened to Lo-Fi from late 2018 to 2019, but not as much as earlier. Then I also got tired of it. I don’t find myself listening to that as much as I used to, maybe certain tracks or the Lo-Fi 1990s hip hop mix, but rarely. Lo-Fi and Vapor-Wave makes me sad and nostalgic for times I’ll never get back, late 2018 to 2019. I agree that Lo-Fi is fine for background music. I think an AT&T commercial in 2019 used a Lo-Fi beat. I have to check out psychedelic trance. You’re right that the current hip hop era has broadly lasted since 2011 or maybe fall 2010 because that’s when trap broke out. Most of 2010 hip hop sounds late 2000s or in the same era as 2007 or 2008. We got multiple waves of trap, fall 2010 to summer 2013, fall 2013 to summer 2016, fall 2016 to summer 2019, fall 2019 to now. These timelines maybe off. No doubt that this current musical era is reminiscent of 1990 to 1992 with the 1980s and 2010s sounds staying past their welcome in the early 1990s and early 2020s respectively. I remember people comparing 2020 to 1990. They’re not wrong. Fun fact: the 2020s until 2028 have the same calendar as the 1990s. IMO these are the different eras of trap... 2010-2013 (Waka Flocka Flame, Roscoe Dash, Future, Rick Ross, Lil Wayne, 2Chainz, etc.) 2013-2016 (Rich Homie Quan, Young Thug, Fetty Wap, Desiigner, Rae Sremmurd, etc.) 2016-2018 (Lil Yachty, 6ix9ine, Lil Pump, XXXTentacion, Juice WRLD, Travis Scott, etc.) 2019-now (Lil Baby, DaBaby, Polo G, Rod Wave, Roddy Ricch, Megan Thee Stallion, etc.) Obviously some artists like Drake, Future, Migos, Travis Scott, etc. have hits that go beyond these eras, but they adapt to the new era's sound. This is pretty close, but I'd say it's more like this: 2006-2011 2011-2016 2016-now In my opinion, hip-hop evolved a lot more slowly in the 2010s than pop did and hasn't really changed that much since 2011. I'd say the 2016-18 era and 2019-now era are the same. The biggest change in hip-hop in the past decade, in my opinion, was the end of the heavy synth-based backtracks that dominated the late '00s and early '10s.
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