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Post by astropoug on Jul 11, 2021 21:03:36 GMT 10
Then I guess it is hard to make a case for twin years. The early half of 1998 still had core 1990s leftovers, maybe some mid 1990s leftovers that the second half of 1998 no longer had. Nonetheless 2000 is an extension or continuation of 1998 and 1999 pop culturally. 2000 is in the same era as 1998 and 1999. Games and movies from 2000 also scream late 1990s. A lot of songs released in 2000 were actually recorded in the late 1990s. 2000 after the first few months was increasingly a hybrid era and more and more detached from actual real culture of 1998 and 1999. Those two years overall, while having a number of similaries, especially in retrospect, are still overall different from the year 2000 which is more like a proto early 2000s year overall but not there yet. 1998 and 1999 both had much stronger core and real late 90s connections, although not as much as 1996-1997, but more than 2000 and 2001 In terms of gaming and technology 2000 is more similar to the late 90s than early 2000s. Windows ME is more similar to 98 than XP, everyone knows that LMAO. PS2 came out in 2000 but didn’t blow up until late 2001. GTA and Halo had yet to revolutionize the industry so gaming up until then was still basically an extension of the late 90s. Likewise, film had yet to truly enter the 2000s. There was no Shrek, no Harry Potter, and no Lord of the Rings. I’d consider 1999 and 2000 Y2K era years for film, because it’s not quite late 90s (1996-1998 AKA when disaster movies were huge), but also definitely not early 2000s yet. The main aspects of 2000 that are similar to the 2000s are rock and rap music and television. Even still, 2000 wasn’t that changed up compared to 1999 or 2001. 2000 is a twin year to 1999.
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Post by astropoug on Jul 11, 2021 21:07:15 GMT 10
I can see how 2000 would be changeful for politics with the George Bush election (even if it was very controversial), but I would say 9/11 played a much huger role in influencing 2000s politics. 9/11 IMO did not just impact US politics, it even impacted global politics. And IMO you could trace the rise of conservatism back to the Bill Clinton scandal in 1998, which made many distrustful of liberals/Democrats as a whole.
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Post by slashpop on Jul 11, 2021 21:19:39 GMT 10
2000 after the first few months was increasingly a hybrid era and more and more detached from actual real culture of 1998 and 1999. Those two years overall, while having a number of similaries, especially in retrospect, are still overall different from the year 2000 which is more like a proto early 2000s year overall but not there yet. 1998 and 1999 both had much stronger core and real late 90s connections, although not as much as 1996-1997, but more than 2000 and 2001 In terms of gaming and technology 2000 is more similar to the late 90s than early 2000s. Windows ME is more similar to 98 than XP, everyone knows that LMAO. PS2 came out in 2000 but didn’t blow up until late 2001. GTA and Halo had yet to revolutionize the industry so gaming up until then was still basically an extension of the late 90s. Likewise, film had yet to truly enter the 2000s. There was no Shrek, no Harry Potter, and no Lord of the Rings. I’d consider 1999 and 2000 Y2K era years for film, because it’s not quite late 90s (1996-1998 AKA when disaster movies were huge), but also definitely not early 2000s yet. The main aspects of 2000 that are similar to the 2000s are rock and rap music and television. Even still, 2000 wasn’t that changed up compared to 1999 or 2001. 2000 is a twin year to 1999. All surrounding years to 2000 are somewhat connected and somewhat similar years. Would say late 1999 has more in common with 2000, but still a bit distinct, but still the true culture of late 98-mid 99 and vibe overall is more removed from it, despite similarities and direct aesthetic and trend continuations. Mid 2000 to December 2000 has more in common with the first half of 2001 than late 99, 1998-1999 and late 1997.
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Post by astropoug on Jul 11, 2021 21:25:11 GMT 10
I can see how 2000 would be changeful for politics with the George Bush election (even if it was very controversial), but I would say 9/11 played a much huger role in influencing 2000s politics. 9/11 IMO did not just impact US politics, it even impacted global politics. And IMO you could trace the rise of conservatism back to the Bill Clinton scandal in 1998, which made many distrustful of liberals/Democrats as a whole. Interesting points. As far-fetched and crazy as this sounds, I might pinpoint the start of the Y2K era at the Bill Clinton scandal or Columbine shooting. The Dot Com bubble burst happened in March 2000 which led to the early 2000s recession in 2001 and 2002. Columbine seems like a better starting point. 1998 is quintessentially late 90s. Everybody is about to point out Britney Spears to me but besides her, there’s basically NOTHING 2000s about 1998. 1998 is the last pure 90s year. 1999 starts adding major 2000s elements.
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Post by slashpop on Jul 11, 2021 21:28:40 GMT 10
Interesting points. As far-fetched and crazy as this sounds, I might pinpoint the start of the Y2K era at the Bill Clinton scandal or Columbine shooting. The Dot Com bubble burst happened in March 2000 which led to the early 2000s recession in 2001 and 2002. Columbine seems like a better starting point. 1998 is quintessentially late 90s. Everybody is about to point out Britney Spears to me but besides her, there’s basically NOTHING 2000s about 1998. 1998 is the last pure 90s year. 1999 starts adding major 2000s elements. Not really the second half of 98 was increasingly more Y2K than earlier with bits and pieces incoming 2000s culture.
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Post by astropoug on Jul 11, 2021 21:31:54 GMT 10
In terms of gaming and technology 2000 is more similar to the late 90s than early 2000s. Windows ME is more similar to 98 than XP, everyone knows that LMAO. PS2 came out in 2000 but didn’t blow up until late 2001. GTA and Halo had yet to revolutionize the industry so gaming up until then was still basically an extension of the late 90s. Likewise, film had yet to truly enter the 2000s. There was no Shrek, no Harry Potter, and no Lord of the Rings. I’d consider 1999 and 2000 Y2K era years for film, because it’s not quite late 90s (1996-1998 AKA when disaster movies were huge), but also definitely not early 2000s yet. The main aspects of 2000 that are similar to the 2000s are rock and rap music and television. Even still, 2000 wasn’t that changed up compared to 1999 or 2001. 2000 is a twin year to 1999. All surrounding years to 2000 are somewhat connected and somewhat similar years. Would say late 1999 has more in common with 2000, but still a bit distinct, but still the true culture of late 98-mid 99 and vibe overall is more removed from it, despite similarities and direct aesthetic and trend continuations. Mid 2000 to December 2000 has more in common with the first half of 2001 than late 99, 1998-1999 and late 1997. When I think of this mini-era, nu metal comes to mind. For a very brief period of time, it was the most popular genre of music in the world, with bands like Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park, plus all sorts of third-rate bands, being inescapable. That said, the first half of 2001 for the most part still has lots in common with 1997-2000 as a whole. N64 was still very popular. When I think of the first half of 2001, games like Conker’s Bad Fur Day, Paper Mario, and Mario Party 3 come to mind. Microsoft was predominately fixated on Windows ME and 2000 during this time, which both came out in the year 2000. Nokia 3310s were EVERYWHERE. The absolute peak of WWE in Wrestle-Mania X-Seven.
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Post by slashpop on Jul 11, 2021 21:41:16 GMT 10
All surrounding years to 2000 are somewhat connected and somewhat similar years. Would say late 1999 has more in common with 2000, but still a bit distinct, but still the true culture of late 98-mid 99 and vibe overall is more removed from it, despite similarities and direct aesthetic and trend continuations. Mid 2000 to December 2000 has more in common with the first half of 2001 than late 99, 1998-1999 and late 1997. When I think of this mini-era, nu metal comes to mind. For a very brief period of time, it was the most popular genre of music in the world, with bands like Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park, plus all sorts of third-rate bands, being inescapable. That said, the first half of 2001 for the most part still has lots in common with 1997-2000 as a whole. N64 was still very popular. When I think of the first half of 2001, games like Conker’s Bad Fur Day, Paper Mario, and Mario Party 3 come to mind. Microsoft was predominately fixated on Windows ME and 2000 during this time, which both came out in the year 2000. Nokia 3310s were EVERYWHERE. The absolute peak of WWE in Wrestle-Mania X-Seven. Only in a very generalized sense but then you can lump in late 1996. The actual atmosphere was much different in 2001 and 2000 that anything in 1997, 1998 and most of 1999. The only period that has almost enough in common is very late 1999 but even then the atmosphere was very distinct compared to any period in 2000 and 2001 outside of Jan to Feb/March 2000.
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Post by astropoug on Jul 11, 2021 21:47:25 GMT 10
In terms of gaming and technology 2000 is more similar to the late 90s than early 2000s. Windows ME is more similar to 98 than XP, everyone knows that LMAO. PS2 came out in 2000 but didn’t blow up until late 2001. GTA and Halo had yet to revolutionize the industry so gaming up until then was still basically an extension of the late 90s. Likewise, film had yet to truly enter the 2000s. There was no Shrek, no Harry Potter, and no Lord of the Rings. I’d consider 1999 and 2000 Y2K era years for film, because it’s not quite late 90s (1996-1998 AKA when disaster movies were huge), but also definitely not early 2000s yet. The main aspects of 2000 that are similar to the 2000s are rock and rap music and television. Even still, 2000 wasn’t that changed up compared to 1999 or 2001. 2000 is a twin year to 1999. 1999 and 2000 might as well be their own unique years, neither late 1990s or early 2000s. Some stuff from those years scream late 1990s and some stuff scream early 2000s like half and half. 5th generation gaming is 1990s. 6th generation gaming began in 1998 with the Dreamcast debut, more reasons the Y2K era began then. I think late 1998-mid 2001 is more of a transition between the 2 gaming generations. 6th generation gaming as we all know became standard by late 2001 when the cultural early 2000s were first in effect. The PS5 released in November 2020, which supposedly kicked off 9th generation gaming. But 2020 is a predominately an 8th generation gaming year like the mid to late 2010s with the PS4 still being in played by many. I think GTA V is still huge. It was still huge in 2020 after being out since September 17, 2013. I think we are still in 8th generation gaming because the PS5 are experiencing shortages. As much as I hope for 9th generation to take off in late 2021, it may not look that way. Silicone shortages are supposed to last through 2022, so we might not be in 9th generation gaming until 2023. The PS5 shortages and Summer Olympics not happening are more reasons of 2020 being overhyped. The 8th Gen of gaming also did not start right away. In 2013 it was all about GTA V and the Last of Us, a PS3/Xbox 360 title and PS3 exclusive respectively. 2014 both got ported over to next-Gen platforms. 2014 was the first full-fledged 8th Gen year. Of course, Nintendo fans got the head start in 2012 with the Wii U, but, well, Nintendo fans and hardcore gamers are pretty fucking different beasts LMAO
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Post by slashpop on Jul 12, 2021 0:36:33 GMT 10
Not really the second half of 98 was increasingly more Y2K than earlier with bits and pieces incoming 2000s culture. Would you consider Pokemania a Y2K era phenomenon then? Are the N64 Zelda games Y2K? I just don’t see it. 1998 to me comes to mind stuff like the Disney Renaissance, the peak of N64/PS1 gaming, Windows 98. If you say these things literally EVERYBODY will associate it with the 90s. Nobody looks at Ocarina of Time and say “OMG THIS GAME IS SO 2000S!” Maybe if you explain aspects of 1998 that are Y2K/2000s, I can understand, but right now, this is decadeology. How about...Maybe if you explain aspects of what most people collectively regard as the Y2K things in 1998 like Pokemon and Zelda as not being Y2K trends I could maybe understand, but right now, this is "decadeology"  How old are you? I was in my mid teens in 1998, I remember buying Pokemon the first month it came out, same with the zelda game. Look up what Y2K is, if you want, I've had multiple dedicated threads about this and i'm under no obligation to explain things. Resorting to labels is completely unacceptable. Everyone has different cut off points, however people largely view Y2K to be an era of its own to include the trends of late 1998 and 1999 for sure and a bit seperate from different eras, despite being with the same 90s decade and sharing some degree of core/stereotypical 90s culture. It doesn't really mattter if you want to call it 90s or Y2K, personally, like many others, I don't think a lot of Y2K things represent the stereotypical and pure 90s culture. Bits of pieces of incoming early 2000s culture simply refers to random things like some pop music choreography, furniture design, electronic/techno music beats, pop music hooks, that closely overlap or kicked off more in the early 2000s (not referring the Y2K era), which have early signs around latter half of 1998. The end part of every decade generally speaking has a few incoming things from earlier parts of the coming decade, such things are commonly discussed or briefly mentioned with or without explanation.
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Post by John Titor on Jul 12, 2021 1:40:05 GMT 10
All surrounding years to 2000 are somewhat connected and somewhat similar years. Would say late 1999 has more in common with 2000, but still a bit distinct, but still the true culture of late 98-mid 99 and vibe overall is more removed from it, despite similarities and direct aesthetic and trend continuations. Mid 2000 to December 2000 has more in common with the first half of 2001 than late 99, 1998-1999 and late 1997. When I think of this mini-era, nu metal comes to mind. For a very brief period of time, it was the most popular genre of music in the world, with bands like Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park, plus all sorts of third-rate bands, being inescapable. That said, the first half of 2001 for the most part still has lots in common with 1997-2000 as a whole. N64 was still very popular. When I think of the first half of 2001, games like Conker’s Bad Fur Day, Paper Mario, and Mario Party 3 come to mind. Microsoft was predominately fixated on Windows ME and 2000 during this time, which both came out in the year 2000. Nokia 3310s were EVERYWHERE. The absolute peak of WWE in Wrestle-Mania X-Seven. those phones didn't start blowing up until 2003,in general cell phones went from common niche to "everyone had one" in 2003 esp that model with the snake game, as for peak of WWE the decline started happening in Fall 2000 when ratings were slowly going down (Stephanie Mccmahon became the new lead creative and Raw switched from Usa Network to TNN ) WWE was getting pretty long in the tooth in the first few months of 2001 aside from XFL and WCW buyout hype.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 4:52:00 GMT 10
had covid not happened it would have been like 2000 even more I like to think that in a way 2020 was like 2000 would've been if the Y2K bug happened. Just with better technology and the Y2K bug is a virus. Mass panic, things shutting down. And a computer bug technically IS a virus lol.
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Post by slashpop on Jul 12, 2021 6:35:51 GMT 10
Not really the second half of 98 was increasingly more Y2K than earlier with bits and pieces incoming 2000s culture. Would you consider Pokemania a Y2K era phenomenon then? Are the N64 Zelda games Y2K? I just don’t see it. 1998 to me comes to mind stuff like the Disney Renaissance, the peak of N64/PS1 gaming, Windows 98. If you say these things literally EVERYBODY will associate it with the 90s. Nobody looks at Ocarina of Time and say “OMG THIS GAME IS SO 2000S!” Maybe if you explain aspects of 1998 that are Y2K/2000s, I can understand, but right now, this is decadeology. Re-reading your points are trolling. You don't know what the Y2K era? BS. Also the "d" word is not a light word to be used, espeically when inaccurately applied. This is abusive, weak attempt to censor speech and offense is taken. I've reported you. You are too agressive for things you've never lived through. I will continue to hold my opinion as originally stated x1000 over. You can go back to the inthe00s for brownie points with this kind of behavior. Ignored forevor.
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Post by astropoug on Jul 12, 2021 6:38:41 GMT 10
I deleted my post. I'll admit to being passive-aggressive here.
This is supposed to be a thread about the year 2020 anyway. How did we devolve the conversation so much? This thread is very likely going to get locked if we continue arguing.
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Post by mc98 on Jul 12, 2021 7:29:27 GMT 10
I would see the 2020-21 school year as a transition from the previous late 2010s to the early 2020s. So many things have changed throughout from the start of 2020 to now.
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Post by John Titor on Jul 12, 2021 7:39:39 GMT 10
I would see the 2020-21 school year as a transition from the previous late 2010s to the early 2020s. So many things have changed throughout from the start of 2020 to now. exactly like SO MANY things were you can't ignore it lol
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