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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 8:09:11 GMT 10
If music is the litmus test, then I can see the point that 2019 is similar to today because Billie Eilish was big, just like today. Bedroom pop is the dominant genre and lo-fi heavily influences production. None of that was the case though in 2016.
I think this board overall underestimates the impact of the Covid lockdowns. Theme bars, restaurants, coffee shops, street festivals, faux urbanism, etc were all defining aspects of the 2010s in my experience and Covid ended all of those.
The U.S. economic collapse is also a factor that separates the current zeitgeist from the late 2010s.
In my opinion, pop music takes a back seat to other factors when it comes to determining the zeitgeist of the early 2020s.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 19, 2021 8:31:21 GMT 10
If music is the litmus test, then I can see the point that 2019 is similar to today because Billie Eilish was big, just like today. Bedroom pop is the dominant genre and lo-fi heavily influences production. None of that was the case though in 2016. I'm also not sure why I always have to make this point, but unless a person is a homebody who lives their entire life on the Internet, there's no way Covid and the events of 2020 didn't completely upend your life. Theme bars, restaurants, coffee shops, street festivals, faux urbanism, etc were all defining aspects of the 2010s in my experience and Covid ended all of those. The U.S. economic collapse is also a factor that separates the current zeitgeist from the late 2010s. In my opinion, pop music takes a back seat to other factors when it comes to determining the zeitgeist of the early 2020s. Billie Eilish isn't revolutionary. Lorde did it back in 2013. Slow whispery pop has been a thing for most of the 2010s, I don't get why people pretend as if Billie Eilish pioneered that genre.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 8:58:07 GMT 10
If music is the litmus test, then I can see the point that 2019 is similar to today because Billie Eilish was big, just like today. Bedroom pop is the dominant genre and lo-fi heavily influences production. None of that was the case though in 2016. I'm also not sure why I always have to make this point, but unless a person is a homebody who lives their entire life on the Internet, there's no way Covid and the events of 2020 didn't completely upend your life. Theme bars, restaurants, coffee shops, street festivals, faux urbanism, etc were all defining aspects of the 2010s in my experience and Covid ended all of those. The U.S. economic collapse is also a factor that separates the current zeitgeist from the late 2010s. In my opinion, pop music takes a back seat to other factors when it comes to determining the zeitgeist of the early 2020s. Billie Eilish isn't revolutionary. Lorde did it back in 2013. Slow whispery pop has been a thing for most of the 2010s, I don't get why people pretend as if Billie Eilish pioneered that genre. I think it's because Billie Eilish has been more impactful on the direction of pop music as a whole. While she isn't as big as Lady Gaga, she definitely fills that role on today's musical landscape, something Lorde never did. Also, Lorde had a more cross-generational appeal while Billie Eilish is considered teen pop and appeals almost exclusively to Gen Z.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 19, 2021 10:03:44 GMT 10
Billie Eilish isn't revolutionary. Lorde did it back in 2013. Slow whispery pop has been a thing for most of the 2010s, I don't get why people pretend as if Billie Eilish pioneered that genre. I think it's because Billie Eilish has been more impactful on the direction of pop music as a whole. While she isn't as big as Lady Gaga, she definitely fills that role on today's musical landscape, something Lorde never did. Also, Lorde had a more cross-generational appeal while Billie Eilish is considered teen pop and appeals almost exclusively to Gen Z. No she isn't. Everyone thought she would be the next lady gaga back in early 2019 but nothing happened. Pop music in the 20s so far is mostly upbeat and vibrant in contrast to her very slow and dark whispery indie pop style.
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Post by mc98 on Oct 19, 2021 10:26:25 GMT 10
I think it's because Billie Eilish has been more impactful on the direction of pop music as a whole. While she isn't as big as Lady Gaga, she definitely fills that role on today's musical landscape, something Lorde never did. Also, Lorde had a more cross-generational appeal while Billie Eilish is considered teen pop and appeals almost exclusively to Gen Z. No she isn't. Everyone thought she would be the next lady gaga back in early 2019 but nothing happened. Pop music in the 20s so far is mostly upbeat and vibrant in contrast to her very slow and dark whispery indie pop style. I used to think Billie was a game changer in the music scene but recently realized that she was a product of late 2010s sad pop.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 19, 2021 11:21:59 GMT 10
No she isn't. Everyone thought she would be the next lady gaga back in early 2019 but nothing happened. Pop music in the 20s so far is mostly upbeat and vibrant in contrast to her very slow and dark whispery indie pop style. I used to think Billie was a game changer in the music scene but recently realized that she was a product of late 2010s sad pop. Exactly
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Post by John Titor on Oct 19, 2021 11:27:50 GMT 10
Olivia Rodrigo is the new queen
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Post by 10slover on Oct 19, 2021 12:28:34 GMT 10
I think it's because Billie Eilish has been more impactful on the direction of pop music as a whole. While she isn't as big as Lady Gaga, she definitely fills that role on today's musical landscape, something Lorde never did. Also, Lorde had a more cross-generational appeal while Billie Eilish is considered teen pop and appeals almost exclusively to Gen Z. No she isn't. Everyone thought she would be the next lady gaga back in early 2019 but nothing happened. Pop music in the 20s so far is mostly upbeat and vibrant in contrast to her very slow and dark whispery indie pop style. I agreed that billie eillish flopped hard, she and her team sucks at choosing singles
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Post by 10slover on Oct 19, 2021 12:29:35 GMT 10
Olivia Rodrigo is the new queen Olivia is the real deal game changer
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Post by John Titor on Oct 19, 2021 12:32:55 GMT 10
Olivia Rodrigo is the new queen Olivia is the real deal game changer cover of Rolling Stone so yes lol in before nightmare says "anybody can be on Rolling Stone, any one can be 1 # on Spotify it does not mean anything " LMAO
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Post by slashpop on Oct 19, 2021 15:14:16 GMT 10
Most influences are still predominantly 2010s, 2020s identity hasn’t been fully formed, there still isn’t a strong enough era diving line between 2019, 2020 and 2021 despite some subtle changes in 19 and some more visible changes in latter 2020. Hipsters were past their peak and slowly fading by 2015-2016 even if undercuts and manbuns were still popular and present. I'd say early 2020s identity is distinct from the late 2010s. I agree that the 2020s identity is still not solidified and probably won't be until 2024. To be honest, 2019 has the roots of today's culture. That's when pop culture imo starting going in a slight early 2020s direction. Late 2010s culture already seemed expired to me by mid 2019. Yes, we still have a ton of late 2010s influences, which won't die until 2024 when the 2020s fully form their identity. I don’t see any real benchmarks that caused an an early 2020s shift in 2019, there were very subtle and minor things that changed or ended, causing latter 2019 to feel very slightly removed from late 15 to early 19 but not enough to cause a real era change . The only time a few visible changes only popped out was in mid 2020- late 2021 and not due to Corona but still nothing big or noteworthy enough or even big enough to define a pop culture era change that was felt everything today is mostly 2010s ( look at fonts, food trends, overall movie styles even if a minority of series are dead, tech design, interior design, most fashion minus a few hipster things and new baggy jeans , common aesthetics everywhere, political divide) but 2-4 percent less 2010s, every single change was listed here but none caused any early 2020s identity change only contributed to some limited extent . I can’t see anything that defines the fake early 2020s or early 2020s identity yet, it could come full circle in 5 months to 1.5 years from now, no way to know.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 19, 2021 16:22:36 GMT 10
Olivia is the real deal game changer cover of Rolling Stone so yes lol in before nightmare says "anybody can be on Rolling Stone, any one can be 1 # on Spotify it does not mean anything " LMAO anybody can be on Rolling Stone, any one can be 1 # on Spotify it does not mean anything
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 19, 2021 16:30:18 GMT 10
I'd say early 2020s identity is distinct from the late 2010s. I agree that the 2020s identity is still not solidified and probably won't be until 2024. To be honest, 2019 has the roots of today's culture. That's when pop culture imo starting going in a slight early 2020s direction. Late 2010s culture already seemed expired to me by mid 2019. Yes, we still have a ton of late 2010s influences, which won't die until 2024 when the 2020s fully form their identity. I don’t see any real benchmarks that caused an an early 2020s shift in 2019, there were very subtle and minor things that changed or ended, causing latter 2019 to feel very slightly removed from late 15 to early 19 but not enough to cause a real era change . The only time a few visible changes only popped out was in mid 2020- late 2021 and not due to Corona but still nothing big or noteworthy enough or even big enough to define a pop culture era change that was felt everything today is mostly 2010s ( look at fonts, food trends, overall movie styles even if a minority of series are dead, tech design, interior design, most fashion minus a few hipster things and new baggy jeans , common aesthetics everywhere, political divide) but 2-4 percent less 2010s, every single change was listed here but none caused any early 2020s identity change only contributed to some limited extent . I can’t see anything that defines the fake early 2020s or early 2020s identity yet, it could come full circle in 5 months to 1.5 years from now, no way to know. High IQ post.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 19, 2021 20:07:38 GMT 10
I don’t see any real benchmarks that caused an an early 2020s shift in 2019, there were very subtle and minor things that changed or ended, causing latter 2019 to feel very slightly removed from late 15 to early 19 but not enough to cause a real era change . The only time a few visible changes only popped out was in mid 2020- late 2021 and not due to Corona but still nothing big or noteworthy enough or even big enough to define a pop culture era change that was felt everything today is mostly 2010s ( look at fonts, food trends, overall movie styles even if a minority of series are dead, tech design, interior design, most fashion minus a few hipster things and new baggy jeans , common aesthetics everywhere, political divide) but 2-4 percent less 2010s, every single change was listed here but none caused any early 2020s identity change only contributed to some limited extent . I can’t see anything that defines the fake early 2020s or early 2020s identity yet, it could come full circle in 5 months to 1.5 years from now, no way to know. A bunch of 2010s franchises ended, plus the debut of Disney Plus at the end of 2019 happened. TikTok and AirPods blew up as well. 2000s nostalgia got bigger. 2019 still leans late 2010s though, but it felt different from 2017 and most of 2018 which was still arguably a part of the core 2010s. I will admit that COVID really slowed the pace of pop culture. By 2023 or 2024, I assume 2020s identity will be more clear. Right now pop culture is still in a transitional state and the 2020s still seem to be finding their identity. Maybe we are in the early 2020s, which could be a transitional era from late 2010s to core 2020s. Yeah pop culture is still barely removed from the 2010s, but I guess that's expected in the early part of a decade. It could be that 2010s culture is dying and that's how the early 2020s will be remembered in the future. Technology, gaming, TV and movies seem like a continuation of the late 2010s. Nothing about the PS5 seems groundbreaking. Music and fashion seems a little different though from 2018, but not as huge the difference between 2008 and 2011. Minimalism is still unfortunately going strong in 2021, which is a 2010s design trend. Maximalism is coming back though. I'd say we are in the same era as we were in say around late 2018-2020, but not 2017-mid 2018 or back. You are right that in 5 months to 1.5 years from now, early 2020s identity will be more clear. Right now it is kind of tricky to identify because we are in the early 2020s. Changes were mentioned before they just add to what could be the identity but aren’t crucial enough to define it just yet. I don’t think it’s because we are numerically early 2020s that we can’t see any differences there just hasn’t been a radical departure let alone real enough departure from the 2010s and no actual 2020s decade identity or entirely foreign cohesive new era aesthetic. Also no new glaringly different culture that was visibly overtaking 10s at any point from 18 to now, when these pop culture chabfe patterns typical happen. 2020-2021 just offers us some more visible and noteworthy changes than 2019 but no shifts. This just wasn’t the case in 1989, 1999, and 2009. You could feel the era almost entirely different by the end of those years the pop culture changes were radical enough. I have clear memories of all of those years Also if anything covid killed off more than a years worth of what may have been pop culture progress in numerous ways ( tech, fashion, new film styles) for obvious reasons, people aren’t going out and consuming as much and not concerned about showing off or upgrading or burning money on entertainment as much since it’s survival mode or looking for a new job, stunting pop culture growth
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Post by 10slover on Oct 20, 2021 0:04:41 GMT 10
A bunch of 2010s franchises ended, plus the debut of Disney Plus at the end of 2019 happened. TikTok and AirPods blew up as well. 2000s nostalgia got bigger. 2019 still leans late 2010s though, but it felt different from 2017 and most of 2018 which was still arguably a part of the core 2010s. I will admit that COVID really slowed the pace of pop culture. By 2023 or 2024, I assume 2020s identity will be more clear. Right now pop culture is still in a transitional state and the 2020s still seem to be finding their identity. Maybe we are in the early 2020s, which could be a transitional era from late 2010s to core 2020s. Yeah pop culture is still barely removed from the 2010s, but I guess that's expected in the early part of a decade. It could be that 2010s culture is dying and that's how the early 2020s will be remembered in the future. Technology, gaming, TV and movies seem like a continuation of the late 2010s. Nothing about the PS5 seems groundbreaking. Music and fashion seems a little different though from 2018, but not as huge the difference between 2008 and 2011. Minimalism is still unfortunately going strong in 2021, which is a 2010s design trend. Maximalism is coming back though. I'd say we are in the same era as we were in say around late 2018-2020, but not 2017-mid 2018 or back. You are right that in 5 months to 1.5 years from now, early 2020s identity will be more clear. Right now it is kind of tricky to identify because we are in the early 2020s. Changes were mentioned before they just add to what could be the identity but aren’t crucial enough to define it just yet. I don’t think it’s because we are numerically early 2020s that we can’t see any differences there just hasn’t been a radical departure let alone real enough departure from the 2010s and no actual 2020s decade identity or entirely foreign cohesive new era aesthetic. Also no new glaringly different culture that was visibly overtaking 10s at any point from 18 to now, when these pop culture chabfe patterns typical happen. 2020-2021 just offers us some more visible and noteworthy changes than 2019 but no shifts. This just wasn’t the case in 1989, 1999, and 2009. You could feel the era almost entirely different by the end of those years the pop culture changes were radical enough. I have clear memories of all of those years Also if anything covid killed off more than a years worth of what may have been pop culture progress in numerous ways ( tech, fashion, new film styles) for obvious reasons, people aren’t going out and consuming as much and not concerned about showing off or upgrading or burning money on entertainment as much since it’s survival mode or looking for a new job, stunting pop culture growth Btw, how old are you
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