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Post by slashpop on Oct 22, 2021 16:51:55 GMT 10
If we're talking just the 21st century, it's this. 2020 ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 2008 ---- 2001 2015 2006 On a pop cultural level not really for 2020, some visible pop culture changes for sure but still not enough, it just contributed to stunting or freezing a large amount of 2010s culture, we saw a few more changes in mid 2020 to present but still not enough for a shift into a new distinct aesthetic era identity from the 2010s yet, beyond some limited pop culture changes. Certain economic aftereffects, and Covid safety hysteria isn’t really related enough to new pop culture shifts or shift into new decade identity in terms of aesthetics, style and entertainment which is the foundation. This could have happened at any time and has little to no bearing on pop culture. 2008, 2016/2017, 2006, 2004,1997 or 1998, 1991 or 1992, 1988 or 1989 rank higher imo
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Post by slashpop on Oct 22, 2021 18:54:15 GMT 10
Makes sense to 2020-2021 to be 3rd place because there were barely any a shift pop culturally just more visible changes True. Definitely wasn’t as groundbreaking of a shift as 2008-2009. I wouldn't consider 2020 a shift, a few changes sprung up in latter 2020, but not enough. But you could feel things were very different on so many levels in 2008-2009, tech, movie style, fashion, politics, attitudes were very different to a few earlier even if there were still some solid connections and trend continuations from the mid 2000s. I remember even summer 2008 feeling very very different than just a few years earlier, it felt like we were finally breaking away from an earlier era and entering something new.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 22, 2021 19:43:02 GMT 10
True. Definitely wasn’t as groundbreaking of a shift as 2008-2009. I wouldn't consider 2020 a shift, a few changes sprung up in latter 2020, but not enough. But you could feel things were very different on so many levels in 2008-2009, tech, movie style, fashion, politics, attitudes were very different to a few earlier even if there were still some solid connections and trend continuations from the mid 2000s. I remember even summer 2008 feeling very very different than just a few years earlier, it felt like we were finally breaking away from an earlier era and entering something new. No offense but seriously what are you guys smoking? 2020 was a massive shift politically and completely changed how our world operated. Although pop culturally, I 100% agree that nothing much changed. But overall it still has to be the biggest shift besides 2001 and 2008 where you also had massive world shattering events.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 22, 2021 20:10:03 GMT 10
I wouldn't consider 2020 a shift, a few changes sprung up in latter 2020, but not enough. But you could feel things were very different on so many levels in 2008-2009, tech, movie style, fashion, politics, attitudes were very different to a few earlier even if there were still some solid connections and trend continuations from the mid 2000s. I remember even summer 2008 feeling very very different than just a few years earlier, it felt like we were finally breaking away from an earlier era and entering something new. No offense but seriously what are you guys smoking? 2020 was a massive shift politically and completely changed how our world operated. Although pop culturally, I 100% agree that nothing much changed. But overall it still has to be the biggest shift besides 2001 and 2008 where you also had massive world shattering events. We are describing popular culture shifts, it's a pop culture forum even with all the aftereffects of corona it didn't create a pop culture shift. Were there noteworthy economic, social devastations? Lifestyle and social changes? Yes I wouldn't call it a shift in this regard, unless you want to lump in 1000s of things unrelated to pop culture. I also tend to associate a shift with some kind of progress or positive event that leads to new fresh change directly related to the style of era culture. Politically? Covid just increased the left and right pre-existing divide on a number of topics. Biden in office, didn't create a new waves with a new movement or shift in politics like obama did that has direct impact on the pop culture zeigest of the late 00s/early 10s, nor did trump fanbase and left vs right late 10s divide go away at all. Corona marked a change for obvious reeasons, but I wouldn't compare the effects of corona to those of the great depression, or what people go through in devastated or war-torn 3rd world countries. For most people, who weren't hit with the virus, it's just working from home and taking extra precautions, and not going out as much, and an increase in unemployment, worsened economy and mental health issues. Pop culturally, a few changes were felt here and there between mid 2020 to today, compared 2019 which were subtle, not as visible and fewer, but nothing groundbreaking or shift-worthy imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 20:26:34 GMT 10
No offense but seriously what are you guys smoking? 2020 was a massive shift politically and completely changed how our world operated. Although pop culturally, I 100% agree that nothing much changed. But overall it still has to be the biggest shift besides 2001 and 2008 where you also had massive world shattering events. We are describing popular culture shifts, it's a pop culture forum even with all the aftereffects of corona it didn't create a pop culture shift. Were there noteworthy economic, social devastations? Lifestyle and social changes? Yes I wouldn't call it a shift in this regard, unless you want to lump in 1000s of things unrelated to pop culture. I also tend to associate a shift with some kind of progress or positive event that leads to new fresh change directly related to the style of era culture. Politically? Covid just increased the left and right pre-existing divide on a number of topics. Biden in office, didn't create a new waves with a new movement or shift in politics like obama did that has direct impact on the pop culture zeigest of the late 00s/early 10s, nor did trump fanbase and left vs right late 10s divide go away at all. Corona marked a change for obvious reeasons, but I wouldn't compare the effects of corona to those of the great depression, or what people go through in devastated or war-torn 3rd world countries. For most people, who weren't hit with the virus, it's just working from home and taking extra precautions, and not going out as much, and an increase in unemployment, worsened economy and mental health issues. Pop culturally, a few changes were felt here and there between mid 2020 to today, compared 2019 which were subtle, not as visible and fewer, but nothing groundbreaking or shift-worthy imo. Honestly you make a lot of great arguments. I will have to agree with you because your points make sense. Biden being in office hasn’t really made a difference even if he isn’t a Republican like Trump, come to think of it. He doesn’t have that appeal as say Obama. Speaking of Biden, things are not looking good for him. He screwed up the withdrawal of US troops from Afghan. He already failed on a peaceful transition. I won’t be surprised if Republicans win in 2022 and Biden loses in 2024. Trump supporters are still marching and trying to make their voices heard. Trump is already doing campaign speeches for the 2024 election. Our society is still just as divided as it was in the mid to late 2010s. The early 2020s has all the political issues of the mid 2010s to the present, but on steroids. I really don’t think pop cultural changes will become all that noticeable until the second half of 2023 to 2024. I expect 2022 and the first half of 2023 to be identical to now.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 22, 2021 22:00:41 GMT 10
No offense but seriously what are you guys smoking? 2020 was a massive shift politically and completely changed how our world operated. Although pop culturally, I 100% agree that nothing much changed. But overall it still has to be the biggest shift besides 2001 and 2008 where you also had massive world shattering events. We are describing popular culture shifts, it's a pop culture forum even with all the aftereffects of corona it didn't create a pop culture shift. Were there noteworthy economic, social devastations? Lifestyle and social changes? Yes I wouldn't call it a shift in this regard, unless you want to lump in 1000s of things unrelated to pop culture. I also tend to associate a shift with some kind of progress or positive event that leads to new fresh change directly related to the style of era culture. Politically? Covid just increased the left and right pre-existing divide on a number of topics. Biden in office, didn't create a new waves with a new movement or shift in politics like obama did that has direct impact on the pop culture zeigest of the late 00s/early 10s, nor did trump fanbase and left vs right late 10s divide go away at all. Corona marked a change for obvious reeasons, but I wouldn't compare the effects of corona to those of the great depression, or what people go through in devastated or war-torn 3rd world countries. For most people, who weren't hit with the virus, it's just working from home and taking extra precautions, and not going out as much, and an increase in unemployment, worsened economy and mental health issues. Pop culturally, a few changes were felt here and there between mid 2020 to today, compared 2019 which were subtle, not as visible and fewer, but nothing groundbreaking or shift-worthy imo. We are describing transitional shifts. Which aren't just pop culture. When it comes to transitional shifts, big world altering events like COVID are much more relevant than what plays on the radio or what movies come out.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 22, 2021 23:23:22 GMT 10
We are describing popular culture shifts, it's a pop culture forum even with all the aftereffects of corona it didn't create a pop culture shift. Were there noteworthy economic, social devastations? Lifestyle and social changes? Yes I wouldn't call it a shift in this regard, unless you want to lump in 1000s of things unrelated to pop culture. I also tend to associate a shift with some kind of progress or positive event that leads to new fresh change directly related to the style of era culture. Politically? Covid just increased the left and right pre-existing divide on a number of topics. Biden in office, didn't create a new waves with a new movement or shift in politics like obama did that has direct impact on the pop culture zeigest of the late 00s/early 10s, nor did trump fanbase and left vs right late 10s divide go away at all. Corona marked a change for obvious reeasons, but I wouldn't compare the effects of corona to those of the great depression, or what people go through in devastated or war-torn 3rd world countries. For most people, who weren't hit with the virus, it's just working from home and taking extra precautions, and not going out as much, and an increase in unemployment, worsened economy and mental health issues. Pop culturally, a few changes were felt here and there between mid 2020 to today, compared 2019 which were subtle, not as visible and fewer, but nothing groundbreaking or shift-worthy imo. We are describing transitional shifts. Which aren't just pop culture. When it comes to transitional shifts, big world altering events like COVID are much more relevant than what plays on the radio or what movies come out. It’s a pop culture forum. Pop culture is not just radio hits and movies, those are components, it’s about decade aesthetic style and identity as a whole, so far Covid has barely done anything in that regard.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 22, 2021 23:42:04 GMT 10
We are describing transitional shifts. Which aren't just pop culture. When it comes to transitional shifts, big world altering events like COVID are much more relevant than what plays on the radio or what movies come out. It’s a pop culture forum. Pop culture is not just radio hits and movies, those are components, it’s decade aesthetic style and identity as a whole, so far Covid has barely done anything in that regard. It's a pop culture forum where we also discuss decadeology and transitional shifts. When we talk about shifts that isn't just pop culture. That is also politics and life changing world events. That's how it's always been in the decadeology-sphere.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 22, 2021 23:57:43 GMT 10
It’s a pop culture forum. Pop culture is not just radio hits and movies, those are components, it’s decade aesthetic style and identity as a whole, so far Covid has barely done anything in that regard. It's a pop culture forum where we also discuss decadeology and transitional shifts. When we talk about shifts that isn't just pop culture. That is also politics and life changing world events. That's how it's always been in the decadeology-sphere. It mostly is centered around actual pop culture. Of course there are some non pop culture exceptions or things but those mostly brought up when they influence pop culture in some relevant way or some substantial way. When those non pop culture exceptions aka political, financial, social or environmental subjects are given more weight without any significant influence or notable change in decade identity or era culture than it really has no it little bearing on pop culture imo Doesn’t matter how often people do it, how normalized it is or for how long.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 23, 2021 0:05:20 GMT 10
It's a pop culture forum where we also discuss decadeology and transitional shifts. When we talk about shifts that isn't just pop culture. That is also politics and life changing world events. That's how it's always been in the decadeology-sphere. It mostly is centered around actual pop culture. Of course there are some non pop culture exceptions or things but those mostly brought up when they influence pop culture in some relevant way or some substantial way. When those non pop culture exceptions aka political, financial, social or environmental subjects are given more weight without any significant influence or notable change in decade identity or era culture than it really has no it little bearing on pop culture imo Doesn’t matter how often people do it, how normalized it is or for how long. No one in these circles solely talks about pop culture when discussiong cultural era. As evident by this very thread since many people are including 2020 and 2001 which are only really notable for the dramatic event that shifted society as a whole rather than a shift in pop culture. Go on reddit or inthe00s or any other decadeology type board and they'll always say years which had the biggest dramatic world events had bigger overall shifts than other years because of that. Even years without a life changing shift but a huge change in pop culture like 2015 are overlooked. This world isn't just about consuming pop culture, current affairs are more relevant and important to everyone over 18. People are more worried about terrorism or COVID or a big recession than what is playing on the radio or what games are coming out.
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Post by Cassie on Oct 23, 2021 0:11:09 GMT 10
If the criteria is 100 years:
1) 2020
2) 1929 (still hasn't been 100 years yet)
3) 1939
4) 2001
5) 2016
For the 21st century:
1) 2020
2) 2001
3) 2016
4) 2008
5) 2017
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Post by slashpop on Oct 23, 2021 0:26:47 GMT 10
It mostly is centered around actual pop culture. Of course there are some non pop culture exceptions or things but those mostly brought up when they influence pop culture in some relevant way or some substantial way. When those non pop culture exceptions aka political, financial, social or environmental subjects are given more weight without any significant influence or notable change in decade identity or era culture than it really has no it little bearing on pop culture imo Doesn’t matter how often people do it, how normalized it is or for how long. No one in these circles solely talks about pop culture when discussiong cultural era. As evident by this very thread since many people are including 2020 and 2001 which are only really notable for the dramatic event that shifted society as a whole rather than a shift in pop culture. Go on reddit or inthe00s or any other decadeology type board and they'll always say years which had the biggest dramatic world events had bigger overall shifts than other years because of that. Even years without a life changing shift but a huge change in pop culture like 2015 are overlooked. This world isn't just about consuming pop culture, current affairs are more relevant and important to everyone over 18. People are more worried about terrorism or COVID or a big recession than what is playing on the radio or what games are coming out. Nope. Pop culture is pop culture, many people clearly confuse pop culture with world social, environmental or scientific etc shifts, doesn’t matter how often or where and for long… also not everyone is saying we mean “shifts of society as a whole”, many agree 2020 is the mostly the same as earlier. You can’t paint everyone’s opinion as one monolithic entity. Many non-pop culture events can strongly influence pop culture and world events or politics can be discussed freely in pop culture forums. If you want to go into look into things changing the world by year then you need to have a different lens and go into everything from physics, nasa, medicine etc to weigh the value of these changes Just because x amount of people think something doesn’t make it valid, nor can one make generalizations.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 23, 2021 0:31:40 GMT 10
No one in these circles solely talks about pop culture when discussiong cultural era. As evident by this very thread since many people are including 2020 and 2001 which are only really notable for the dramatic event that shifted society as a whole rather than a shift in pop culture. Go on reddit or inthe00s or any other decadeology type board and they'll always say years which had the biggest dramatic world events had bigger overall shifts than other years because of that. Even years without a life changing shift but a huge change in pop culture like 2015 are overlooked. This world isn't just about consuming pop culture, current affairs are more relevant and important to everyone over 18. People are more worried about terrorism or COVID or a big recession than what is playing on the radio or what games are coming out. Nope. Pop culture is pop culture, many people clearly confuse pop culture with world social, environmental or scientific etc shifts not everyone is saying we mean “shifts of society as a whole”, many agree 2020 is the mostly the same as earlier. You can’t paint everyone’s opinion as one monolithic entity. Many non-pop culture events can strongly influence pop culture and world events or politics can be discussed freely in pop culture forums. If you want to go into look into things changing the world by year then you need to have a different lens and go into everything from physics, nasa, medicine etc to weigh the value of these changes Just because x amount of people think something doesn’t make it valid. I'm not saying that popular opinion makes something valid. You said this board only discusses pop culture when we talk about shifts which is false because most people consider years like 2020 to be a massive shift and we both know that 2020 didn't change pop culture at all. My point is that when shifts are discussed, it isn't just pop culture that people are referring to.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 23, 2021 1:01:30 GMT 10
Nope. Pop culture is pop culture, many people clearly confuse pop culture with world social, environmental or scientific etc shifts not everyone is saying we mean “shifts of society as a whole”, many agree 2020 is the mostly the same as earlier. You can’t paint everyone’s opinion as one monolithic entity. Many non-pop culture events can strongly influence pop culture and world events or politics can be discussed freely in pop culture forums. If you want to go into look into things changing the world by year then you need to have a different lens and go into everything from physics, nasa, medicine etc to weigh the value of these changes Just because x amount of people think something doesn’t make it valid. I'm not saying that popular opinion makes something valid. You said this board only discusses pop culture when we talk about shifts which is false because most people consider years like 2020 to be a massive shift and we both know that 2020 didn't change pop culture at all. My point is that when shifts are discussed, it isn't just pop culture that people are referring to. No most people will assume unrelated events with little to no bearing on the decade culture are pop culture, which is the point i'm making. I recall getting into such discussions where the claim was x political topic is infact pop culture etc. Another sort of off topic example is the claim of September 11 being responsible for kicking off the early 2000s pop culture. Never have I heard anyone say, "it's not pop culture but I think it's important anyways". It is a pop culture forum. Also once again just because it happens , still makes it off topic, and you can't generalize everything, people will often have different reasons behind the intent of mentioning a shift, its not monolith where everyone is on the same exact page with their intent, but people tend to think any political, world events, or particular discovery or catastrophe it's part of the pop culture zeitgeist regardless. The focus is not world event shifts on these these forums. Its pop culture, people think unrelated events or world shifts are automatically pop culture. A decade era shift is a series of turning points/notable changes closely related to overall decade identity, it's not just a single event or a few trivial aspects of pop culture.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Oct 23, 2021 2:06:15 GMT 10
I'm not saying that popular opinion makes something valid. You said this board only discusses pop culture when we talk about shifts which is false because most people consider years like 2020 to be a massive shift and we both know that 2020 didn't change pop culture at all. My point is that when shifts are discussed, it isn't just pop culture that people are referring to. No most people will assume unrelated events with little to no bearing on the decade culture are pop culture, which is the point i'm making. I recall getting into such discussions where the claim was x political topic is infact pop culture etc. Another sort of off topic example is the claim of September 11 being responsible for kicking off the early 2000s pop culture. Never have I heard anyone say, "it's not pop culture but I think it's important anyways". It is a pop culture forum. Also once again just because it happens , still makes it off topic, and you can't generalize everything, people will often have different reasons behind the intent of mentioning a shift, its not monolith where everyone is on the same exact page with their intent, but people tend to think any political, world events, or particular discovery or catastrophe it's part of the pop culture zeitgeist regardless. The focus is not world event shifts on these these forums. Its pop culture, people think unrelated events or world shifts are automatically pop culture. A decade era shift is a series of turning points/notable changes closely related to overall decade identity, it's not just a single event or a few trivial aspects of pop culture. Dude 2020 was still a big change from even 2018. 2018 was dominated by Trap and EDM, 2020 was still dominated by Trap (which even had a different sound from 2018), but EDM as the popular dance genre died in 2019 and was replaced by the nu-disco and synthwave we have today with Dua Lipa, The Weeknd, etc. TikTok didn't even exist for the majority of 2018, but it pretty much defines pop culture in 2020 and 2021. Not to mention artists like Megan Thee Stallion, Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, The Kid LaRoi, Lil Nas X, Doja Cat, etc. Combining these with the affects COVID-19 had on pop culture, 2018 feels like a really long time ago, especially the first half. Even if 2020 wasn't a shift for pop culture (which I personally think it was), 2019 was and 2020 just cemented it in with COVID, riots and the election.
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