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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 14:51:25 GMT 10
I want to know why some people use their race, religion and or political party the only aspects that define their personality. When did that start?
I say that started around 2014-2016. I guess most people are cashing out on the deep, woke, politically correct, cancel culture of the late 2010s to present.
This is the perfect representation of late 2010s humor which I find cringe and unfunny. She also thinks being female is a personality. LOL!
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Post by slashpop on Nov 3, 2021 16:36:13 GMT 10
I want to know why some people use their race, religion and or political party the only aspects that define their personality. When did that start? I say that started around 2014-2016. I guess most people are cashing out on the deep, woke, politically correct, cancel culture of the late 2010s to present. This is the perfect representation of late 2010s humor which I find cringe and unfunny. It’s kind of been around since the dawn of time but there was a stronger diving line since the mid 2010s.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 3, 2021 20:08:59 GMT 10
It’s kind of been around since the dawn of time but there was a stronger diving line since the mid 2010s. I guess boomers taking over social media in the mid 2010s caused the strong divide line. I wonder if this will ever go away, get worse or stay the same. I am afraid that this is one of the things that can’t be reversed. It feels like it was a backwards diving line. The progressivism of 2008 to 2013-2015 made sense. Meetoo movement, forcing gender pronouns but more so alt right/neo libertarian culture regressed culture and made us take a step back. This should have never happened. There should have better diving lines between anything, that would have happened if we stayed on the right track and found a better equivalent to what Obama was doing symbolically and on social topics.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 20:38:52 GMT 10
I guess boomers taking over social media in the mid 2010s caused the strong divide line. I wonder if this will ever go away, get worse or stay the same. I am afraid that this is one of the things that can’t be reversed. It feels like it was a backwards diving line. The progressivism of 2008 to 2013-2015 made sense. Meetoo movement, forcing gender pronouns but more so alt right/neo libertarian culture regressed culture and made us take a step back. This should have never happened. There should have better diving lines between anything, that would have happened if we stayed on the right track and found a better equivalent to what Obama was doing symbolically and on social topics. I also get that impression too. Even though we have Biden as president, he doesn’t come anywhere near close to Obama, who is also a democrat. America is still divisive as ever even now. I actually think the division got worse in 2020 and 2021 than the late 2010s because of COVID, Asian hate crimes (2021 seems to be the worst year for that so far), vaxxers vs anti-vaxxers, mask burning parties, employees being attacked for telling customers to wear masks and on top of that maga cult members thanks to Trump. For the most part, the early 2020s will be just as bad if not worse politically than the late 2010s. I cross fingers we may see some positive change in the mid 2020s, around 2024 or 2025. Of course that depends on the 2022 and 2024 elections. I have a feeling Biden will lose in 2024, but then again a lot can and will change between 2021 and 2024. The resurgence of alt right culture in the mid 2010s took effect in the late 2010s under Trump which reversed a lot of progress in the early 2010s made under Obama. The damage will take a long time to repair. June 2015 seems to be a tipping point as that’s when gay marriage got legalized and Trump announced his 2016 run for presidency. I think a lot of the current anger of alt right members can be traced back to the 2008 election, and all the progress Obama made since. That anger was bubbling under the surface and exploded in the mid to late 2010s. I noticed the gender pronouns become noticeable around late 2020, but I think it was in effect before that. I am starting to wonder if the MeToo movement is doing more harm than good and or if it is a product of the cancel culture of the late 2010s to now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 12:49:50 GMT 10
The overall culture still feels ultra-conservative and very pro-Trump. It's not like 2008-2015 where Obama and liberalism were the drivers of the culture.
The current attitudes in the Republican Party have been there since the 1980s. This all started with Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority. It's just that now, the idea of insurrection and true theocracy has become mainstream while back then, it was something that few people would advocate for out loud. This documentary from the early 1980s might as well have been made last week.
No matter anyone's position on the issue, I think one fact of the matter is that this country simply isn't ready to have an adult conversation about gender dysphoria. It's especially controversial when it involves minors. I think the embrace of trans issues by the Democratic Party was a step too far for many Americans (especially in the rural South), and that has contributed to this hard-right shift.
Another factor is the right-wing Internet has successfully convinced most white Millennials that both sides are just as bad and it's better to just not vote (or vote for a third party). Meanwhile, Christian nationalists have never been more politically engaged.
As for #MeToo, the backlash against it is simple misogyny. It comes from the belief that when women complain of sexual assault they are doing it for attention or are overexaggerating for some reason. That belief is still very prevalent in conservative Christian circles.
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Post by longaotian on Nov 4, 2021 13:11:08 GMT 10
Something really happened around 2014 and ever since, identity politics and so on has only gotten worse. Especially, a lot of this influence is coming from the US where people really seem to obsess over gender, race, ethnicity, sexuality etc. Majority of the world cares about these things a lot less.
Idk its just super annoying and exhausting. Also Lily Singh is incredibly annoying and like not funny at all.
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Post by longaotian on Nov 4, 2021 13:14:50 GMT 10
Another factor is the right-wing Internet has successfully convinced most white Millennials that both sides are just as bad and it's better to just not vote (or vote for a third party). Meanwhile, Christian nationalists have never been more politically engaged. I'm sorry but where is there evidence of this? Because I don't think this is true at all. Im not sure if you just live in some super isolated and conservative area, but I just don't feel what you say is at all representative of the current culture from mid 2010s - present.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 15:18:09 GMT 10
Another factor is the right-wing Internet has successfully convinced most white Millennials that both sides are just as bad and it's better to just not vote (or vote for a third party). Meanwhile, Christian nationalists have never been more politically engaged. I'm sorry but where is there evidence of this? Because I don't think this is true at all. Im not sure if you just live in some super isolated and conservative area, but I just don't feel what you say is at all representative of the current culture from mid 2010s - present. I was probably overexaggerating a bit. It's a significant sentiment, but I shouldn't say most. But, with elections as close as they are right now, even if it's just a small percentage it still matters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 17:03:17 GMT 10
One thing that's extremely depressing is that Americans clearly prefer insurrection, civil war, and theocracy over "wokeism." If overthrowing the government and creating a police state is what is necessary to force everyone back to traditional Christian values, then so be it.
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Post by longaotian on Nov 4, 2021 18:48:18 GMT 10
I view both religious extremism and wokeism as very toxic. Its not like it has to be one or the other like some people make it out to be.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 4, 2021 19:08:07 GMT 10
One thing that's extremely depressing is that Americans clearly prefer insurrection, civil war, and theocracy over "wokeism." If overthrowing the government and creating a police state is what is necessary to force everyone back to traditional Christian values, then so be it. I don't think anyone is ever going to going back to favoring traditional Christianity and 50s/80s/00s conservatism especially in the major coastal cities. I'm actually not for pushing trans topics beyond the norm in elementary school or at really young age, and I'm no don't buy into gender pronouns and endless gender identies, imo you can either be male, female, intersex or trans (of the opposite gender) androgyny and gender neutrality or the related are a spectrum describing one's mere looks or style not a gender identity, and be applied to any orientation (straight, g/l, asexual etc) TBH the 1970s gay culture, and modern apps,outside of helping promote some acceptance, did nothing useful for LBGT culture except pushing for unhealthy risky behavior and promiscuity I have bisexual, gay and lesbian friends who always complain rainbow culture largely promotes hypersexualization in their commmunity rather than healthy LGBT communities.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 19:28:17 GMT 10
Honestly I think preschool until around 4th through 6th grade, especially preschool through 2nd grade children are still too young to decide which gender role they identify with. They’re still learning, developing and growing. I don’t agree with teachers and parents forcing LGBTQ topics on children of those ages, especially 4-9 year olds, however they should teach children to be accepting of everyone regardless of sexual orientation, religion, race, skin color, etc. I’m also not crazy about gender pronouns. I have to get used to that.
I remember how conservative culture was in the 2000s, especially the first half of the 2000s. I went to preschool through 6th grade in that decade including the first half of 2010 (late 2002-mid 2010). The elementary school I went to in the 2000s was old-fashioned. A lot of these topics that are being talked about now and embraced were frowned upon and considered taboo at my school. Students at my school would call other students gay just because they didn’t act stereotypically or fall within a clique.
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