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Post by nightmarefarm on Nov 18, 2021 12:06:45 GMT 10
People always group 2008 to 2013 as one cultural era but i find it hard to see it that way when late 2008, 2009 and to a lesser extent 2010(namely the first half) feels completely different than 2012 and 2013.
Just compare this:
and this:
Day and night difference. Not just music is different but a lot of other stuff. The recession being in motion or just finished in the late 00s whilst the recovery was well underway in the early 10s. Gloomy vibe caused by the recession in the late 00 vs Upbeat, optimistic vibe caused by the economic recovery. Emo/Scene remains vs Hipster fashion taking over. Dumb phones and feature phones in the late 00s vs smartphones of the early 10s. Windows XP being the dominant OS in the late 00s vs Windows 7 being dominant in the early 10s. Internet explorer being dominant vs Google Chrome. Lots of core 00s type music including rock and rnb in the late 00s vs the core 10s EDM and indie hipster type music in the early 10s years. Even the electropop in the late 00s sounded radically different than the early 10s style electropop for the most part. CN being on it's death bed in the late 00s vs the revival era in the early 10s. Harry potter in the late 00s whilst it isn't really relevant anymore in the early 10s as it finished in 2011. Iraq war ongoing in the late 00s but not in the early 10s. You also have the precursor to the heavily politically divided zeitgeist of the 10s which started in 2011-2012 with occupy wall street, arab spring, london police brutality riots, trayvon martin case, school shootings and the dark knight rises screening shooting.
The late half of 2010 and 2011 was too big of a shift for 2008-2013 to be considered one single era imo. It feels even bigger than the late 2012-2013 shift.
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Post by mc98 on Nov 18, 2021 12:22:05 GMT 10
I kinda disagree, 2010 and 2012 were still connected with each other. The Teenage Dream era lasted through 2012 for example.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Nov 18, 2021 12:29:27 GMT 10
I kinda disagree, 2010 and 2012 were still connected with each other. The Teenage Dream era lasted through 2012 for example. That's just one album. You had a lot of things change in late 2010-2012. Speaking of which Katy Perry helped contribute to this shift as well. Her stuff from late 2008-mid 2010 had a pop rock edge but starting with firework and california girls she stuck to just pure synthy dance pop or electropop type music. You had Bruno Mars taking off in this time, Eminem releases not afraid as well as Love the way you lie with rihanna, pop-rap tracks which are a radical departure from "We Made You" in 2009. Usher releases DJ got us falling in love which sounds extremely different compared to "OMG" in the earlier half of the year and resembles the more explosive electropop sound of 2011-2013 whereas the former is basically electro RnB. Mid-Late 2010 is when 00s influence in music completely died down.
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Post by mc98 on Nov 18, 2021 12:44:16 GMT 10
I kinda disagree, 2010 and 2012 were still connected with each other. The Teenage Dream era lasted through 2012 for example. That's just one album. You had a lot of things change in late 2010-2012. Speaking of which Katy Perry helped contribute to this shift as well. Her stuff from late 2008-mid 2010 had a pop rock edge but starting with firework and california girls she stuck to just pure synthy dance pop or electropop type music. You had Bruno Mars taking off in this time, Eminem releases not afraid as well as Love the way you lie with rihanna, pop-rap tracks which are a radical departure from "We Made You" in 2009. Usher releases DJ got us falling in love which sounds extremely different compared to "OMG" in the earlier half of the year and resembles the more explosive electropop sound of 2011-2013 whereas the former is basically electro RnB. Mid-Late 2010 is when 00s influence in music completely died down. Songs like Club Can't Handle Me feels a lot closer to Flo Rida songs from 2011/12 than his 2008/09 stuff. Loud era Rihanna was her first time entering the explosive electropop sound with Only Girl. Artists like Jason Derulo blowing up. Although you still got songs like Just a Dream and Bottoms Up that sound late 00s as hell. Teens were still using Facebook in 2012 as they were in 2010. The iOS look was still the same in both years.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 18, 2021 12:50:48 GMT 10
That's just one album. You had a lot of things change in late 2010-2012. Speaking of which Katy Perry helped contribute to this shift as well. Her stuff from late 2008-mid 2010 had a pop rock edge but starting with firework and california girls she stuck to just pure synthy dance pop or electropop type music. You had Bruno Mars taking off in this time, Eminem releases not afraid as well as Love the way you lie with rihanna, pop-rap tracks which are a radical departure from "We Made You" in 2009. Usher releases DJ got us falling in love which sounds extremely different compared to "OMG" in the earlier half of the year and resembles the more explosive electropop sound of 2011-2013 whereas the former is basically electro RnB. Mid-Late 2010 is when 00s influence in music completely died down. Songs like Club Can't Handle Me feels a lot closer to Flo Rida songs from 2011/12 than his 2008/09 stuff. Loud era Rihanna was her first time entering the explosive electropop sound with Only Girl. Artists like Jason Derulo blowing up. Although you still got songs like Just a Dream and Bottoms Up that sound late 00s as hell. Teens were still using Facebook in 2012 as they were in 2010. The iOS look was still the same in both years. The 2008-2009 school year paved the way and was a "beta 2010s" school year of sorts, the music did indeed evolve but the same DNA was there until 2013.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Nov 18, 2021 12:58:00 GMT 10
That's just one album. You had a lot of things change in late 2010-2012. Speaking of which Katy Perry helped contribute to this shift as well. Her stuff from late 2008-mid 2010 had a pop rock edge but starting with firework and california girls she stuck to just pure synthy dance pop or electropop type music. You had Bruno Mars taking off in this time, Eminem releases not afraid as well as Love the way you lie with rihanna, pop-rap tracks which are a radical departure from "We Made You" in 2009. Usher releases DJ got us falling in love which sounds extremely different compared to "OMG" in the earlier half of the year and resembles the more explosive electropop sound of 2011-2013 whereas the former is basically electro RnB. Mid-Late 2010 is when 00s influence in music completely died down. Songs like Club Can't Handle Me feels a lot closer to Flo Rida songs from 2011/12 than his 2008/09 stuff. Loud era Rihanna was her first time entering the explosive electropop sound with Only Girl. Artists like Jason Derulo blowing up. Although you still got songs like Just a Dream and Bottoms Up that sound late 00s as hell. Teens were still using Facebook in 2012 as they were in 2010. The iOS look was still the same in both years. >Songs like Club Can't Handle Me feels a lot closer to Flo Rida songs from 2011/12 than his 2008/09 stuff. Loud era Rihanna was her first time entering the explosive electropop sound with Only Girl. Exactly. Those songs were popular in the second half of the year which was when music overwhelmingly became early 10s and 00s influence rapidly died down. Jason Derulos hits "Whatcha Say" and "In My Head" in late 2009/early 2010 didn't fully fit into either era although i'd say the former leans more into the late 00s. Yeah, facebook was still dominant in 2012, that's one of the biggest connections it has with the late 00s but you also had instagram starting to take off in the late part of 2012. iOS look was the same in 2010 but not many people had an iphone or even a smartphone for that matter in 2010 to begin with.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Nov 18, 2021 13:05:30 GMT 10
IMO: the differences between 2007 and 2012 are HUGE for a five year difference. Nothing else in the 21st century really matches the shift between late 2000s and early 2010s.
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Post by mc98 on Nov 18, 2021 13:11:11 GMT 10
Songs like Club Can't Handle Me feels a lot closer to Flo Rida songs from 2011/12 than his 2008/09 stuff. Loud era Rihanna was her first time entering the explosive electropop sound with Only Girl. Artists like Jason Derulo blowing up. Although you still got songs like Just a Dream and Bottoms Up that sound late 00s as hell. Teens were still using Facebook in 2012 as they were in 2010. The iOS look was still the same in both years. >Songs like Club Can't Handle Me feels a lot closer to Flo Rida songs from 2011/12 than his 2008/09 stuff. Loud era Rihanna was her first time entering the explosive electropop sound with Only Girl. Exactly. Those songs were popular in the second half of the year which was when music overwhelmingly became early 10s and 00s influence rapidly died down. Jason Derulos hits "Whatcha Say" and "In My Head" in late 2009/early 2010 didn't fully fit into either era although i'd say the former leans more into the late 00s. Yeah, facebook was still dominant in 2012, that's one of the biggest connections it has with the late 00s but you also had instagram starting to take off in the late part of 2012. iOS look was the same in 2010 but not many people had an iphone or even a smartphone for that matter in 2010 to begin with. Yeah, his songs like In My Head and Ridin Solo felt uniquely 2010. I think Taylor Swift's Speak Now can fit in with Fearless(2008) as well as the country songs in Red(2012); her style completely changed in 2014. I also forgot to mention that the online multiplayer shooter craze was raging in both 2010 and 2012.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 18, 2021 13:12:05 GMT 10
IMO: the differences between 2007 and 2012 are HUGE for a five year difference. Nothing else in the 21st century really matches the shift between late 2000s and early 2010s. It was a huge jump, even from 2006 2006 - Classic shows start to end, including prominent networks like The WB, Hipster creeps in, Scene takes over Q4, PS3 and Wii launch, Blackberry Pearl debuts, youtube goes mainstream Summer 2006 2007 - Facebook starts becoming mainstream in the Spring, Netflix ads all over tv, end of more classic TV shows like The Sopranos and King of Queens, Britney meltdown, Chris Beniot murders start of recession, Iphone debuts 2008 - Tons of classic mall stores go bankrupt, Recession is official, Lady Gaga debuts, more classic tv shows end, Toonami ends,WWE goes PG, Obama is elected president 2009 - More mall stores close, Kb Toys and Circuit City close up, MJ dies, Almost every artist is now copying Gaga and doing electropop, Swine Flu ( apocalyptic vibe) and I didn't even get to 2010,2011 and 2012 lol, from 2007 to 2012 we literally jumped 1 full Decade
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Post by nightmarefarm on Nov 18, 2021 13:25:15 GMT 10
>Songs like Club Can't Handle Me feels a lot closer to Flo Rida songs from 2011/12 than his 2008/09 stuff. Loud era Rihanna was her first time entering the explosive electropop sound with Only Girl. Exactly. Those songs were popular in the second half of the year which was when music overwhelmingly became early 10s and 00s influence rapidly died down. Jason Derulos hits "Whatcha Say" and "In My Head" in late 2009/early 2010 didn't fully fit into either era although i'd say the former leans more into the late 00s. Yeah, facebook was still dominant in 2012, that's one of the biggest connections it has with the late 00s but you also had instagram starting to take off in the late part of 2012. iOS look was the same in 2010 but not many people had an iphone or even a smartphone for that matter in 2010 to begin with. Yeah, his songs like In My Head and Ridin Solo felt uniquely 2010. I think Taylor Swift's Speak Now can fit in with Fearless(2008) as well as the country songs in Red(2012); her style completely changed in 2014. I also forgot to mention that the online multiplayer shooter craze was raging in both 2010 and 2012. Taylor Swift's style changed radically in 2012 compared to 2009. She did country pop in 09-10 with no electronic influences. In 2012 she jumped on the electropop bandwagon. Hell, she even drops a freaking dubstep type beat in the chorus of "I knew you were trouble". Gaming was pretty much the same though besides the 3DS and a new pokemon generation.
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Post by mc98 on Nov 18, 2021 13:28:45 GMT 10
Yeah, his songs like In My Head and Ridin Solo felt uniquely 2010. I think Taylor Swift's Speak Now can fit in with Fearless(2008) as well as the country songs in Red(2012); her style completely changed in 2014. I also forgot to mention that the online multiplayer shooter craze was raging in both 2010 and 2012. Taylor Swift's style changed radically in 2012 compared to 2009. She did country pop in 09 with like no or very faint(if even that) electronic influences. In 2012 she jumped on the electropop bandwagon. Hell, she even drops a freaking dubstep type beat in the chorus of "I knew you were trouble". Gaming was pretty much the same though. I'm talking about the non-single country tracks from her 2012 album like Begin Again, All Too Well, Red, and State of Grace. I am aware of the 3 pop singles in her 2012 catalog. Red felt more like a transitional record rather than a complete change and departure of her style. In 2014, she completely abandons her country roots for synth-pop in 1989. No country/folk influences at all whatsoever.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Nov 18, 2021 13:43:03 GMT 10
Taylor Swift's style changed radically in 2012 compared to 2009. She did country pop in 09 with like no or very faint(if even that) electronic influences. In 2012 she jumped on the electropop bandwagon. Hell, she even drops a freaking dubstep type beat in the chorus of "I knew you were trouble". Gaming was pretty much the same though. I'm talking about the non-single country tracks from her 2012 album like Begin Again, All Too Well, Red, and State of Grace. I am aware of the 3 pop singles in her 2012 catalog. Red felt more like a transitional record rather than a complete change and departure of her style. In 2014, she completely abandons her country roots for synth-pop in 1989. No country/folk influences at all whatsoever. I suppose so but as far as pop culture is concerned she abandoned those roots in 2012 since the songs she charted with that year completely ditched country for electropop.
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Post by Telso on Nov 18, 2021 23:20:31 GMT 10
2012 was when the neon colors of the club scene and some late 2000s fashions started to fade away, and were getting replaced by more muted colors and Tumblr/Instagram/Coachella/Coffee Shop/Whatever aesthetics started to fully dominate. So you get the first stereotypically "2010s-looking" year with little holdovers left, even if it's still technically part of the electropop/dubstep era.
Color-wise, when I think of 2010 and 2011 an electric blue usually comes up in my mind, while 2012 is more about crimsons and warm golds.
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Post by pumpkin14 on Nov 18, 2021 23:47:36 GMT 10
I would say 2012 is connected to 2010-11 since they’re all the early 2010s and we’re within Obama’s first term, the electro pop era, before 8th gen gaming, and before Facebook started to fall out of favor with teens due to instagram and snapchat’s popularity. 2012 did feel like a more refined version of the early 10s but it’s still similar to 2010-11 imo. But 2008-09 are definitely different from 2012. I don’t even consider 2008 to actually be apart of the electro pop era since electro pop was not even popular as a genre until well into 2009. Gaga and her early hits from 2008 didnt really take off until 2009 either. I think the last year to be connected to the late 00s (2009 in particular) aesthetically was 2011, but even by the end of that year the early 10s were solidified
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Post by y2kbaby on Nov 19, 2021 1:08:51 GMT 10
I can agree that 2012 for the most had a slight different tone from 2009/2010. I would say that 2012 was a unique year. The Electropop/Neon/Club vibe was on a declined (it started in late 2011). But the stereotypical 2010s vibe had just gotten started.
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