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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 22:20:02 GMT 10
Here are the gist of things I’ve read online. (Disclaimer: I disagree with ALL of these claims below)
-Late 1990s and Y2K era died on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, thus ushering in the early 2000s. Omg teen pop started to fade on this date. Life was never innocent again. Wah uha uha uha! The 2000s suck because of this tragedy!
-Early 2000s ended in March 2003 with the Iraq War and the mid 2000s started because crunk rap got big.
-Late 2000s concluded and early 2010s began around late September to early November 2008 with the stock market crash and Obama’s victory in the 2008 presidential election. Electropop started around this time.
-Late 2010s died and early 2020s was born in mid March 2020 with COVID, distance learning, social distancing, quarantine and masks. Hahahaha 1980s throwback music, so original, never heard it in my life, like this is the sound of the early 2020s.
-I’m sure there’s plenty more, but I’ll stop there. The above isn’t word for word, but like I said earlier, this is the gist of what I’ve read online.
Why do most people mark tragedies, economical and political changes as the start of new pop culture? Why do they act as if on those dates, pop culture does a 180 to 360 degree turn?
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Post by dudewitdausername on Nov 27, 2021 23:59:06 GMT 10
Why do people think of Crunk as a mid 2000s thing? Snap is mid 2000s, Crunk is early. The Crunk era was 2001-2004 (peaked 2003), Snap was 2004-2007 (peaked 2006).
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Post by John Titor on Nov 28, 2021 2:53:26 GMT 10
Here are the gist of things I’ve read online. (Disclaimer: I disagree with ALLA these claims below)
-Late 1990s and Y2K era died on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, thus ushering in the early 2000s. Omg teen pop started to fade on this date. Life was never innocent again. Wah uha uha uha! The 2000s suck because of this tragedy! -Early 2000s ended in March 2003 with the Iraq War and the mid 2000s started because crunk rap got big. -Late 2000s concluded and early 2010s began around late September to early November 2008 with the stock market crash and Obama’s victory in the 2008 presidential election. Electropop started around this time. -Late 2010s died and early 2020s was born in mid March 2020 with COVID, distance learning, social distancing, quarantine and masks. Hahahaha 1980s throwback music, so original, never heard it in my life, like this is the sound of the early 2020s. -I’m sure there’s plenty more, but I’ll stop there. The above isn’t word for word, but like I said earlier, this is the gist of what I’ve read online. Why do most people mark tragedies, economical and political changes as the start of new pop culture? Why do they act as if on those dates, pop culture does a 180 to 360 degree turn? it's because it sounds nicer to say it ended after 9/11, November 2008, everything is wrapped up nicer in a movie like fashion, when in reality eras bleed and blur into each other, most people IRL if you ask when teen pop died they will say after 9/11, when it reality it had been building up 5 months prior. Example: Britney debuting slave at the VMAs a week before 9/11, Christina's Lady Marmalade in early 2001 etc etc It just sounds better to the GP in the brain to have a day where it began and ended, clear cut thinking and easier on the brain
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Post by John Titor on Nov 28, 2021 9:04:31 GMT 10
it's because it sounds nicer to say it ended after 9/11, November 2008, everything is wrapped up nicer in a movie like fashion, when in reality eras bleed and blur into each other, most people IRL if you ask when teen pop died they will say after 9/11, when it reality it had been building up 5 months prior. Example: Britney debuting slave at the VMAs a week before 9/11, Christina's Lady Marmalade in early 2001 etc etc It just sounds better to the GP in the brain to have a day where it began and ended, clear cut thinking and easier on the brain. That makes sense. Thank you. Most of those same people would bash others for mentioning that the pop cultural changes they claim to have happened on a tragedy were already happening well before the tragedy occurred like the teen pop to urban pop transition happening throughout 2001, as you’ve mentioned. Transitions take time. They’re not instant. For example in March 2003 when the Iraq War began, mid 2000s emo and Myspace weren’t around yet. Myspace debuted on I think August 26, 2003 and took off a year later. Mid 2000s emo started creeping in late 2003, but took off a year later. By late 2004, the mid 2000s trends bubbling under the surface a year prior, exploded. Also most early 2000s and 1990s shows were over at that point, replaced with exclusive core 2000s TV. I think electro-pop music can be traced back to late 2006. I bring this up because most people act like electro-pop didn’t exist before 2008. people who don't know what they are talking about can confuse people, example in the 2000s section of the other crap forum the following poster wrote this "9/11 which led to more depressive music & songs with slower BPM dominating. The best example is Britney Spear's work with Neptunes in 2001, it just didn't fit and it wasn't as successful as her first two preceding albums or her album that came out after. while the Neptunes and Britney are great, they just didn't click and "I'm a slave for you" era was a lesser success."
Could not be more wrong, Britney's music disappeared off the radio in December 2001 because she pulled out of a tour that was sponsored by
Clear Channel ( kiss fm etc).. Clear Channel out of retaliation banned her music from every major radio station until the Toxic album came out.
As for Electropop it did, Lady Gaga said herself in a 2008 interview the Fame album was influenced by Nelly Furtado's 2006 music and David Bowie.
Bold pink font to put emphasis my point lol
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Post by John Titor on Nov 28, 2021 11:33:11 GMT 10
people who don't know what they are talking about can confuse people, example in the 2000s section of the other crap forum the following poster wrote this "9/11 which led to more depressive music & songs with slower BPM dominating. The best example is Britney Spear's work with Neptunes in 2001, it just didn't fit and it wasn't as successful as her first two preceding albums or her album that came out after. while the Neptunes and Britney are great, they just didn't click and "I'm a slave for you" era was a lesser success."
Could not be more wrong, Britney's music disappeared off the radio in December 2001 because she pulled out of a tour that was sponsored by
Clear Channel ( kiss fm etc).. Clear Channel out of retaliation banned her music from every major radio station until the Toxic album came out.
As for Electropop it did, Lady Gaga said herself in a 2008 interview the Fame album was influenced by Nelly Furtado's 2006 music and David Bowie.
Bold pink font to put emphasis my point lolI’m sure Britney wanted to move away from the teen pop into urban sound in 2001 like way way wayyy before 9/11. It’s pretty ridiculous for people to claim 9/11/2001 caused that shift. I don’t believe 9/11/2001 had any effect on pop culture. I believe Neptunes and Britney clicked well. I believe you and definitely felt your point was put across lol. Oh def, lets look up some of the real dates these songs were recorded ( in real time) I'm a Slave 4 U - Recorded July 2001
Britney 2001 album - Recorded February–July 2001
NSYNC Girlfriend - Recorded April–May 2001
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 28, 2021 17:29:29 GMT 10
Why do people think of Crunk as a mid 2000s thing? Snap is mid 2000s, Crunk is early. The Crunk era was 2001-2004 (peaked 2003), Snap was 2004-2007 (peaked 2006). Crunk was really just a 2003/04 thing going by memory.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 17:42:14 GMT 10
Why do people think of Crunk as a mid 2000s thing? Snap is mid 2000s, Crunk is early. The Crunk era was 2001-2004 (peaked 2003), Snap was 2004-2007 (peaked 2006). Crunk was really just a 2003/04 thing going by memory. That’s exactly what I believe. I was only 4-6 years old in 2003 and 2004, but that’s the impression I get of rap and r’n’b music from those years looking back. Sure crunk must’ve been around in 2001 and 2002, but I don’t think it was mainstream until 2003. I think snap and ringtone rap overtook crunk in late 2005. I’m guessing crunk lasted 2003 through mid 2005 and snap/ringtone lasted from late 2005 through mid 2009.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 28, 2021 17:51:40 GMT 10
Crunk was really just a 2003/04 thing going by memory. That’s exactly what I believe. I was only 4-6 years old in 2003 and 2004, but that’s the impression I get of rap and r’n’b music from those years looking back. Sure crunk must’ve been around in 2001 and 2002, but I don’t think it was mainstream until 2003. I think snap and ringtone rap overtook crunk in late 2005. I’m guessing crunk lasted 2003 through mid 2005 and snap/ringtone lasted from late 2005 through mid 2009. You got it pretty accurate there. I think early 2005 might have had a little bit of crunk but, I think that's as far as it went as a movement tbh.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 29, 2021 1:46:07 GMT 10
That’s exactly what I believe. I was only 4-6 years old in 2003 and 2004, but that’s the impression I get of rap and r’n’b music from those years looking back. Sure crunk must’ve been around in 2001 and 2002, but I don’t think it was mainstream until 2003. I think snap and ringtone rap overtook crunk in late 2005. I’m guessing crunk lasted 2003 through mid 2005 and snap/ringtone lasted from late 2005 through mid 2009. You got it pretty accurate there. I think early 2005 might have had a little bit of crunk but, I think that's as far as it went as a movement tbh. Def was some crunk buzzwords in the media in the 2004-2005 school year, I wanna say after maybe January it was done, you would see pimp cups with the word CRUNK on them being sold in stores.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 23:10:23 GMT 10
Here are the gist of things I’ve read online. (Disclaimer: I disagree with ALL of these claims below)
-Late 1990s and Y2K era died on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, thus ushering in the early 2000s. Omg teen pop started to fade on this date. Life was never innocent again. Wah uha uha uha! The 2000s suck because of this tragedy! -Early 2000s ended in March 2003 with the Iraq War and the mid 2000s started because crunk rap got big. -Late 2000s concluded and early 2010s began around late September to early November 2008 with the stock market crash and Obama’s victory in the 2008 presidential election. Electropop started around this time. -Late 2010s died and early 2020s was born in mid March 2020 with COVID, distance learning, social distancing, quarantine and masks. Hahahaha 1980s throwback music, so original, never heard it in my life, like this is the sound of the early 2020s. -I’m sure there’s plenty more, but I’ll stop there. The above isn’t word for word, but like I said earlier, this is the gist of what I’ve read online. Why do most people mark tragedies, economical and political changes as the start of new pop culture? Why do they act as if on those dates, pop culture does a 180 to 360 degree turn? The pandemic collapsed the economy, destroyed almost every positive aspect of life not on the Internet, and forced everyone into their homes and that shows no sign of ending any time soon. It doesn't matter what is on the radio when I'm effectively a prisoner with a 10-15 year sentence for a crime I didn't commit. That's not to mention how momentum is really building towards America becoming a theocratic state. The early 2020s are pure HELL ON EARTH. Every moment, pure agony, despair, and hopelessness, with some vague promise that things may be better in 10-15 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 7:35:09 GMT 10
Here are the gist of things I’ve read online. (Disclaimer: I disagree with ALL of these claims below)
-Late 1990s and Y2K era died on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, thus ushering in the early 2000s. Omg teen pop started to fade on this date. Life was never innocent again. Wah uha uha uha! The 2000s suck because of this tragedy! -Early 2000s ended in March 2003 with the Iraq War and the mid 2000s started because crunk rap got big. -Late 2000s concluded and early 2010s began around late September to early November 2008 with the stock market crash and Obama’s victory in the 2008 presidential election. Electropop started around this time. -Late 2010s died and early 2020s was born in mid March 2020 with COVID, distance learning, social distancing, quarantine and masks. Hahahaha 1980s throwback music, so original, never heard it in my life, like this is the sound of the early 2020s. -I’m sure there’s plenty more, but I’ll stop there. The above isn’t word for word, but like I said earlier, this is the gist of what I’ve read online. Why do most people mark tragedies, economical and political changes as the start of new pop culture? Why do they act as if on those dates, pop culture does a 180 to 360 degree turn? Not always, but in some cases it's true. The COVID pandemic in particular and the economic depression we are all dealing with because of it has completely turned upside down the lives of a lot of people. The pandemic matters a lot more than what is playing on Kiss FM. If somebody's life is the same now as it was in 2019, they likely live their entire life online, socialize through Discord, and are probably too young to have a job or career affected by this economy. The 2020s do suck because of Covid. The pandemic has taken everything fun out of life. It's ruined everything and there's no hope but wait years if not decades for society to recover. 9/11 and the 2008 recession didn't destroy so much and ruin so many aspects of life the way this has.
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