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Post by dudewitdausername on Dec 17, 2021 9:42:12 GMT 10
If we compare the decades where Hip Hop was huge to the decades where Rock was huge, it'll look something like this:
1970s = 1940s (not popular yet, but the genre starts here)
1980s = 1950s
1990s = 1960s
2000s = 1970s
2010s = 1980s
2020s = 1990s
2030s = 2000s
This means we are in rap's equivalent to rock's early 90s right now. I wonder what Hip Hop's equivalent to Nu-Metal will be...
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Post by mc98 on Dec 17, 2021 10:47:05 GMT 10
If we compare the decades where Hip Hop was huge to the decades where Rock was huge, it'll look something like this: 1970s = 1940s (not popular yet, but the genre starts here) 1980s = 1950s 1990s = 1960s 2000s = 1970s 2010s = 1980s 2020s = 1990s 2030s = 2000s This means we are in rap's equivalent to rock's early 90s right now. I wonder what Hip Hop's equivalent to Nu-Metal will be... Right now, hip hop doesn’t know what it’s doing. There is no unique underground movement that will about to spring up. They seem to be stuck with trap.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Dec 17, 2021 10:50:36 GMT 10
If we compare the decades where Hip Hop was huge to the decades where Rock was huge, it'll look something like this: 1970s = 1940s (not popular yet, but the genre starts here) 1980s = 1950s 1990s = 1960s 2000s = 1970s 2010s = 1980s 2020s = 1990s 2030s = 2000s This means we are in rap's equivalent to rock's early 90s right now. I wonder what Hip Hop's equivalent to Nu-Metal will be... Right now, hip hop doesn’t know what it’s doing. There is no unique underground movement that will about to spring up. They seem to be stuck with trap. Trap itself became a huge genre within Hip Hop with its own subgenres and movements. For example you couldn't say these are typical trap songs:
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Post by 10slover on Dec 17, 2021 10:54:01 GMT 10
So rap is gonna lose its popularity in the early 2040s and experience a small revival in the early 2050s
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Post by slashpop on Dec 18, 2021 1:10:44 GMT 10
If we compare the decades where Hip Hop was huge to the decades where Rock was huge, it'll look something like this: 1970s = 1940s (not popular yet, but the genre starts here) 1980s = 1950s 1990s = 1960s 2000s = 1970s 2010s = 1980s 2020s = 1990s 2030s = 2000s This means we are in rap's equivalent to rock's early 90s right now. I wonder what Hip Hop's equivalent to Nu-Metal will be... Right now, hip hop doesn’t know what it’s doing. There is no unique underground movement that will about to spring up. They seem to be stuck with trap. Honestly mainstream hip hop since 97 or 98 has felt manufactured with the exception of a few stand out rappers. 2010s hip hop seemed pretty boring. Everything is still feels rooted in mid 2000s in someway, it really needs to break away from that.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Dec 18, 2021 1:33:54 GMT 10
Right now, hip hop doesn’t know what it’s doing. There is no unique underground movement that will about to spring up. They seem to be stuck with trap. Honestly mainstream hip hop since 97 or 98 has felt manufactured with the exception of a few stand out rappers. 2010s hip hop seemed pretty boring. Everything is still feels rooted in mid 2000s in someway, it really needs to break away from that. Drill doesn't feel rooted in the mid 2000s at all. The earliest Drill in Chicago was 2010/2011 and the earliest Drill in NYC was 2013/2014. And even then 2019-2021+ Drill sounds very different from 2011-2014 Drill.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 18, 2021 1:36:06 GMT 10
Honestly mainstream hip hop since 97 or 98 has felt manufactured with the exception of a few stand out rappers. 2010s hip hop seemed pretty boring. Everything is still feels rooted in mid 2000s in someway, it really needs to break away from that. Drill doesn't feel rooted in the mid 2000s at all. The earliest Drill in Chicago was 2010/2011 and the earliest Drill in NYC was 2013/2014. And even then 2019-2021+ Drill sounds very different from 2011-2014 Drill. It’s divorced from mid 2000s for sure but it still feels evolved from it/ 2000s in general to some extent . Would be interesting if we just reset the current template for mainstream pop-hip hop and numerous genres and start from total scratch. There was a bigger diving line between music genres eras in the past imo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 7:39:15 GMT 10
Drill doesn't feel rooted in the mid 2000s at all. The earliest Drill in Chicago was 2010/2011 and the earliest Drill in NYC was 2013/2014. And even then 2019-2021+ Drill sounds very different from 2011-2014 Drill. It’s divorced from mid 2000s for sure but it still feels evolved from it/ 2000s in general to some extent . Would be interesting if we just reset the current template for mainstream pop-hip hop and numerous genres and start from total scratch. There was a bigger diving line between music genres eras in the past imo. I also get the impression that 2010s hip-hop branched out from 2000s hip-hop. I believe trap was invented back in the 2000s. I wonder if trap is a derivative of the snap/ringtone rap sound of the mid to late 2000s. I agree that all music genres need a serious reset or reboot. Now they seem to all blend together. Hopefully rock and pop punk really come back, stand out on their own and not just be blended in with hip-hop. Even in the 2000s, a bigger dividing line between music genres existed. Maybe that’s true for the early 2010s to some extent. Somewhere in the mid to late 2010s that got lost. Strange how that almost lines up perfectly with counter cultures.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Dec 18, 2021 7:54:48 GMT 10
Right now, hip hop doesn’t know what it’s doing. There is no unique underground movement that will about to spring up. They seem to be stuck with trap. Honestly mainstream hip hop since 97 or 98 has felt manufactured with the exception of a few stand out rappers. 2010s hip hop seemed pretty boring. Everything is still feels rooted in mid 2000s in someway, it really needs to break away from that. Late 10s rap sounds absolutely nothing like Mid 00s rap
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Post by slashpop on Dec 18, 2021 11:47:11 GMT 10
Honestly mainstream hip hop since 97 or 98 has felt manufactured with the exception of a few stand out rappers. 2010s hip hop seemed pretty boring. Everything is still feels rooted in mid 2000s in someway, it really needs to break away from that. Late 10s rap sounds absolutely nothing like Mid 00s rap For late 10s rap in general it’s also fair to say on the surface it clearly sounds different and obviously not mid 2000s or 2000s. The base root is still 2000s/mid 2000s in general. I can’t say the root is 80s or most of the 90s, even though trap has it's earliest origins in the 90s, it came into its proper form and became popular first in the 2000s, between the early to mid period, drill is also a subgenre of trap that later emerged. I'm talking about the root sound, not saying the current artists are identical to what was made earlier.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 18, 2021 11:54:03 GMT 10
It’s divorced from mid 2000s for sure but it still feels evolved from it/ 2000s in general to some extent . Would be interesting if we just reset the current template for mainstream pop-hip hop and numerous genres and start from total scratch. There was a bigger diving line between music genres eras in the past imo. I also get the impression that 2010s hip-hop branched out from 2000s hip-hop. I believe trap was invented back in the 2000s. I wonder if trap is a derivative of the snap/ringtone rap sound of the mid to late 2000s. I agree that all music genres need a serious reset or reboot. Now they seem to all blend together. Hopefully rock and pop punk really come back, stand out on their own and not just be blended in with hip-hop. Even in the 2000s, a bigger dividing line between music genres existed. Maybe that’s true for the early 2010s to some extent. Somewhere in the mid to late 2010s that got lost. Strange how that almost lines up perfectly with counter cultures. Yeah pretty much 2010s indeed branched out out 2000s rap. I feel that trap is strongly influenced and rooted in the snap/ringtone rap of the mid and late 2000s and 2000s trap. I don’t get the denial.
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Post by Telso on Dec 19, 2021 8:49:12 GMT 10
It’s divorced from mid 2000s for sure but it still feels evolved from it/ 2000s in general to some extent . Would be interesting if we just reset the current template for mainstream pop-hip hop and numerous genres and start from total scratch. There was a bigger diving line between music genres eras in the past imo. I also get the impression that 2010s hip-hop branched out from 2000s hip-hop. I believe trap was invented back in the 2000s. I wonder if trap is a derivative of the snap/ringtone rap sound of the mid to late 2000s. I agree that all music genres need a serious reset or reboot. Now they seem to all blend together. Hopefully rock and pop punk really come back, stand out on their own and not just be blended in with hip-hop. Even in the 2000s, a bigger dividing line between music genres existed. Maybe that’s true for the early 2010s to some extent. Somewhere in the mid to late 2010s that got lost. Strange how that almost lines up perfectly with counter cultures. The original trap sound is rooted in Dirty South which existed since the 90s actually. It has not really anything to do with snap besides coming from the Southern States. While 2003 was the first time when the term "trap" (which means a drug-related place) was used to refer to music (which was mostly Dirty South tracks about drugs). It wasn't until the early 2010s that the modern understanding of trap music really started to take shape (hi-hats + 808s + sub bass + triplet flow). It should also be noted that trap at this point is quite a huge category, and many styles and substyles fall under it (drill, Chicago bop, the SoundCloud sound and so on).
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Post by Telso on Dec 19, 2021 19:39:10 GMT 10
Dirty South isn’t the same as Trap. Which is not something I said.
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