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Post by pumpkin14 on Dec 18, 2021 15:38:50 GMT 10
Both core 2010s years, but which was more representative?
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Post by Captain Nemo on Dec 18, 2021 16:52:10 GMT 10
2013, easily.
The Trump Era 2010s had a different vibe from the Obama Era 2010s.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 16:55:25 GMT 10
2013 overall. 2013 was close to being or was peak 2010s. 2017 felt past peak 2010s.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 18, 2021 17:08:18 GMT 10
2013 is sandwiched between 2010-2016 (early to mid 2010s) which are fully core and Obama years and are longer than 2016-2019 ( late 2010s) which are trump years and not entirely core all the way through, so 2013 is more representative than 2017. Also it felt like even though core culture in 2015-2017 was pretty solid and 2010s, parts of stereotypical 2010s culture were either dropped, more subdued or just starting to fade. Normies and yuccies with manbuns, undercuts and slicked back hair and neckbeard MAGA hat wearing alt-righters were looking more hipster than whatever was left of real 2010s hipsters in 2017.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Dec 18, 2021 19:36:06 GMT 10
2017. 2013 still had 00s influences like 7th gen gaming, blackberries, skeuomorphic web design, electropop, emo swoopy haircuts and streaming wasn't big yet. 2017 is pure 10s. Nothing 00s or 20s about it.
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Post by 10slover on Dec 18, 2021 21:00:47 GMT 10
2017. 2013 still had 00s influences like 7th gen gaming, blackberries, skeuomorphic web design, electropop, emo swoopy haircuts and streaming wasn't big yet. 2017 is pure 10s. Nothing 00s or 20s about it. Right? People like to pretend the late 10s weren't "the real 10s" when I'd argue the late 10s were the peak of 10s culture
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Post by Cassie on Dec 18, 2021 21:22:53 GMT 10
2017 was very core 2010s, it was definitely in the peak of 10s culture.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Dec 18, 2021 21:27:45 GMT 10
2017. 2013 still had 00s influences like 7th gen gaming, blackberries, skeuomorphic web design, electropop, emo swoopy haircuts and streaming wasn't big yet. 2017 is pure 10s. Nothing 00s or 20s about it. Right? People like to pretend the late 10s weren't "the real 10s" when I'd argue the late 10s were the peak of 10s culture I could understand it if they said that before Biden got elected and COVID but now we have perspective we know 2020 was a strong dividing line between the 10s and the 20s and that late 10s isn't part of a crossover era. On the other hand 2013 still had the aforementioned 00s holdovers for most of the year.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Dec 19, 2021 0:54:55 GMT 10
IMO 2016 is the peak year of the 2010s, so 2017 since it's closer to 2016. 2011-2019 is the "zeitgeist" of the 2010s IMO.
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Post by pumpkin14 on Dec 19, 2021 1:25:08 GMT 10
2017. 2013 still had 00s influences like 7th gen gaming, blackberries, skeuomorphic web design, electropop, emo swoopy haircuts and streaming wasn't big yet. 2017 is pure 10s. Nothing 00s or 20s about it. Right? People like to pretend the late 10s weren't "the real 10s" when I'd argue the late 10s were the peak of 10s culture Agreed. Both years are very 2010s but I think 2017 is closer to the peak of 2010s culture. It was the only year that both Obama and trump were president even if Obama was only in office for the first 20 days. It’s also when SoundCloud rap and fidget spinners were popular and the MCU was peaking in the late 2010s. I see the core 2010s as 2013-mid 2018 with 2016 being the quintessential year so 2017 would be closer in that case
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Post by slashpop on Dec 19, 2021 3:47:23 GMT 10
Right? People like to pretend the late 10s weren't "the real 10s" when I'd argue the late 10s were the peak of 10s culture Agreed. Both years are very 2010s but I think 2017 is closer to the peak of 2010s culture. It was the only year that both Obama and trump were president even if Obama was only in office for the first 20 days. It’s also when SoundCloud rap and fidget spinners were popular and the MCU was peaking in the late 2010s. I see the core 2010s as 2013-mid 2018 with 2016 being the quintessential year so 2017 would be closer in that case I still don't agree with 2017. The question is zeitgeist. If the question was if 2017 purer as a year, then it would win because has no minor 00 influences and everything established earlier ex. streaming and gaming was in full gear. No one said it has incoming 2020s culture. If anything 2014 and 2015 perfected any not in full gear issues 2013 had, not 2016 or 2017. I think Obama in office represented the decade identity more than trump but more importantly all 2010s decade defining and most representative fads, trends, aesthetics first occurred in their purest form between 2010/2011 to around mid 2015. Late 2015-2018 inherited everything prior, so its just not that original. Had that not been the case I would think differently. There were very few meaningful add-ons to the decade in late 15-18, it felt like a more technology upgraded but endless, redundant and subdued loop version of 2011-2015 minus a few things like older tech and 00s influences + mainstreamization of libertarian/neo-right wing talking points and peak SJW and cancel culture. When I think of 2017 I think of fidget spinners, excessive arm tats, undercuts and manbuns worn by people who aren't hipsters, Trump, pepe the frog memes, blue haired SJWs, cringe gender pronoun discussions, Maga hats, sugar coated anti-immigrant beliefs given way too much air time, cancel culture becoming a scary thing, airport bans just based on religion/national origin for the first time in a while and recycled 2013-2015 culture. When I think of 2013 I think of peak time for hipsters, first time is streaming is becoming more of a thing, Youtube taking its modern form, peak social media, being left leaning/liberal minded on general social issues is fully mainstream (even without entire support for everything under the sun), no new right, iphones almost entirely leading the way for the first time, design is mostly leaning and in the middle of revamping towards a mid 2010s style and flat style, 8th gen gaming kicks off at the end is exclusively 2010s for the first time . 2013 is better representative of the zeitgeist of the era even with minor 00s holdovers, some imperfections and and gaming and streaming not being 100 percent there. Also... Blackberries - iphone was the ideal phone to upgrade from Jan to Dec, so not really the ideal switchover even if visible. Skeuomorphic web design - Existed, but if you weren't using flat design or updating your web design this way, you were behind the times at any point in 2013. Electropop - Ok but not the freshest music and way past the peak of it. Emo swoopy haircuts - This was barely visible in 2013-14, just the earlier part, it was more like having a curtained bowlcut in 1999, existed but not the latest style, seen as unfashionable, lazy or just casual. Streaming wasn't big yet - It was almost there Gaming was 7th gen - Fine but the end part was 8th.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Dec 19, 2021 4:36:46 GMT 10
Agreed. Both years are very 2010s but I think 2017 is closer to the peak of 2010s culture. It was the only year that both Obama and trump were president even if Obama was only in office for the first 20 days. It’s also when SoundCloud rap and fidget spinners were popular and the MCU was peaking in the late 2010s. I see the core 2010s as 2013-mid 2018 with 2016 being the quintessential year so 2017 would be closer in that case I still don't agree with 2017. The question is zeitgeist. If the question was if 2017 purer as a year, then it would win because has no minor 00 influences and everything established earlier ex. streaming and gaming was in full gear. No one said it has incoming 2020s culture. If anything 2014 and 2015 perfected any not in full gear issues 2013 had, not 2016 or 2017. I think Obama in office represented the decade identity more than trump but more importantly all 2010s decade defining and most representative fads, trends, aesthetics first occurred in their purest form between 2010/2011 to around mid 2015. Late 2015-2018 inherited everything prior, so its just not that original. Had that not been the case I would think differently. There were very few meaningful add-ons to the decade in late 15-18, it felt like a more technology upgraded but endless, redundant and subdued loop version of 2011-2015 minus a few things like older tech and 00s influences + mainstreamization of libertarian/neo-right wing talking points and peak SJW and cancel culture. When I think of 2017 I think of fidget spinners, excessive arm tats, undercuts and manbuns worn by people who aren't hipsters, Trump, pepe the frog memes, blue haired SJWs, cringe gender pronoun discussions, Maga hats, sugar coated anti-immigrant beliefs given way too much air time, cancel culture becoming a scary thing, airport bans just based on religion/national origin for the first time in a while and recycled 2013-2015 culture. When I think of 2013 I think of peak time for hipsters, first time is streaming is becoming more of a thing, Youtube taking its modern form, peak social media, being left leaning/liberal minded on general social issues is fully mainstream (even without entire support for everything under the sun), no new right, iphones almost entirely leading the way for the first time, design is mostly leaning and in the middle of revamping towards a mid 2010s style and skeumorphic style and killing off the earlier, 8th gen gaming kicks off at the end is exclusively 2010s for the first time . 2013 is better representative of the zeitgeist of the era even with minor 00s holdovers, some imperfections and and gaming and streaming not being 100 percent there. Also... Blackberries - iphone was the ideal phone to upgrade from Jan to Dec, so not really the ideal switchover even if visible. Skeuomorphic web design - Existed, but if you weren't using flat design or updating your web design this way, you were behind the times at any point in 2013. Electropop - Ok but not the freshest music and way past the peak of it. Emo swoopy haircuts - This was barely visible in 2013-14, just the earlier part, it was more like having a curtained bowlcut in 1999, existed but not the latest style, seen as unfashionable, lazy or just casual. Streaming wasn't big yet - It was almost there Gaming was 7th gen - Fine but the latter part was. >Blackberries - iphone was the ideal phone to upgrade from Jan to Dec, so not really the ideal switchover even if visible. Iphones were the norm by 2012. Blackberries still lingered on until the mid or late part of 2013. >Skeuomorphic web design - Existed, but if you weren't using flat design or updating your web design this way, you were behind the times at any point in 2013. Flat design trend started taking off in the late part of the year with IOS7 >Electropop - Ok but not the freshest music and way past the peak of it. Yes but it is still there and also more common in 2013 than many give it credit for. Even in the late part you still had songs like "What does the fox say" and "Applause". >Emo swoopy haircuts - This was barely visible in 2013-14, just the earlier part, it was more like having a curtained bowlcut in 1999, existed but not the latest style, seen as unfashionable, lazy or just casual. Idk which area you live in, where I lived many people still had swoop haircuts in 2013 and the whole year was people transitioning over to fades. >Gaming was 7th gen - Fine but the latter part was. The only full month where 8th gen consoles were out in 2013 was December. And even then it's not like 8th gen just took over overnight. You still had most people playing on 7th gen and talking about 7th gen whereas in 2017 8th gen was the norm,
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Post by slashpop on Dec 19, 2021 5:07:44 GMT 10
I still don't agree with 2017. The question is zeitgeist. If the question was if 2017 purer as a year, then it would win because has no minor 00 influences and everything established earlier ex. streaming and gaming was in full gear. No one said it has incoming 2020s culture. If anything 2014 and 2015 perfected any not in full gear issues 2013 had, not 2016 or 2017. I think Obama in office represented the decade identity more than trump but more importantly all 2010s decade defining and most representative fads, trends, aesthetics first occurred in their purest form between 2010/2011 to around mid 2015. Late 2015-2018 inherited everything prior, so its just not that original. Had that not been the case I would think differently. There were very few meaningful add-ons to the decade in late 15-18, it felt like a more technology upgraded but endless, redundant and subdued loop version of 2011-2015 minus a few things like older tech and 00s influences + mainstreamization of libertarian/neo-right wing talking points and peak SJW and cancel culture. When I think of 2017 I think of fidget spinners, excessive arm tats, undercuts and manbuns worn by people who aren't hipsters, Trump, pepe the frog memes, blue haired SJWs, cringe gender pronoun discussions, Maga hats, sugar coated anti-immigrant beliefs given way too much air time, cancel culture becoming a scary thing, airport bans just based on religion/national origin for the first time in a while and recycled 2013-2015 culture. When I think of 2013 I think of peak time for hipsters, first time is streaming is becoming more of a thing, Youtube taking its modern form, peak social media, being left leaning/liberal minded on general social issues is fully mainstream (even without entire support for everything under the sun), no new right, iphones almost entirely leading the way for the first time, design is mostly leaning and in the middle of revamping towards a mid 2010s style and skeumorphic style and killing off the earlier, 8th gen gaming kicks off at the end is exclusively 2010s for the first time . 2013 is better representative of the zeitgeist of the era even with minor 00s holdovers, some imperfections and and gaming and streaming not being 100 percent there. Also... Blackberries - iphone was the ideal phone to upgrade from Jan to Dec, so not really the ideal switchover even if visible. Skeuomorphic web design - Existed, but if you weren't using flat design or updating your web design this way, you were behind the times at any point in 2013. Electropop - Ok but not the freshest music and way past the peak of it. Emo swoopy haircuts - This was barely visible in 2013-14, just the earlier part, it was more like having a curtained bowlcut in 1999, existed but not the latest style, seen as unfashionable, lazy or just casual. Streaming wasn't big yet - It was almost there Gaming was 7th gen - Fine but the latter part was. >Blackberries - iphone was the ideal phone to upgrade from Jan to Dec, so not really the ideal switchover even if visible. Iphones were the norm by 2012. Blackberries still lingered on until the mid or late part of 2013. Pretty much and yes 2012. Blackberries did linger on around that time but it doesn't add or substract from iphones leading the way in 12 and a bit more in 13. >Skeuomorphic web design - Existed, but if you weren't using flat design or updating your web design this way, you were behind the times at any point in 2013. Flat design trend started taking off in the late part of the year with IOS7 Flat design existed outside prior it taking over with user interfaces on phones like in ISO7 in the late part. This was the leading trend with newer and revamped apps (interface - and obviously not referring to system apps) and other things (logos, gaming interfaces, web design, packaging, public screens, etc)from around 12- all of 2013, even a bit earlier in 10-11 to some extent, I was working in a graphic design agency and we were designing mock ups apps for brands using flat design and upgrading the visual look of older apps and logos all throughout the year. >Electropop - Ok but not the freshest music and way past the peak of it. Yes but it is still there and also more common in 2013 than many give it credit for. Even in the late part you still had songs like "What does the fox say" and "Applause". It was there but it not really the highlight of year like a few years earlier. >Emo swoopy haircuts - This was barely visible in 2013-14, just the earlier part, it was more like having a curtained bowlcut in 1999, existed but not the latest style, seen as unfashionable, lazy or just casual. Idk which area you live in, where I lived many people still had swoop haircuts in 2013 and the whole year was people transitioning over to fades. Yes there was some even in early 2014, but it just wasn't the latest trend just a casual haircut holdover in the process of fizzling out tbh, emo as a subculture was mostly gone by 2012.
>Gaming was 7th gen - Fine but the latter part was. The only full month where 8th gen consoles were out in 2013 was December. And even then it's not like 8th gen just took over overnight. You still had most people playing on 7th gen and talking about 7th gen whereas in 2017 8th gen was the norm.
I mentioned that it wasn't fully there. True but a lot of people were fully immersed in their new consoles for a month and a half, abandoning their older consoles which must amount to something at least. I still think 2013 is more representative of the 2010s zeitgeist, but 2014 and 2015 are a bit stronger.
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Post by mc98 on Dec 19, 2021 5:45:17 GMT 10
2013 was the first year to have that stereotypical 2010s vibe. 2017 kinda had that, but it was starting to decline and still has a decent amount of ties with today.
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