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Post by nightmarefarm on Apr 10, 2022 17:41:10 GMT 10
Liberal: 2015
Conservative: 2003
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Post by astropoug on Apr 10, 2022 18:04:53 GMT 10
2002 was the most conservative, without a doubt. That was when EVERYBODY supported Bush and nobody criticized him. There was lots of support for the wars in the Middle East, and patriotic attitudes were everywhere. Most liberal would be 2020. Scratch that, 2020 was actually TOO liberal. You couldn’t go ANYWHERE without hearing something about racism. Even big companies were saying Black Lives Matter and that racism was bad. BlackOutTuesday was supported by many major celebrities. Yes I know Trump and QAnon were things this year, but the backlash against Trump had boiled over to the point where he lost the election that year.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 10, 2022 18:09:21 GMT 10
As I mentioned earlier, a liberal or conservative era isn’t necessarily a signifier for a better era. The mid 2010s were liberal in a VERY bad way. Obnoxious Buzzfeed feminism permeated pop culture during this time, and so you how godawful reboots like Powerpuff Girls 2016 and Ghostbusters 2016 as a result. By contrast, the mid 2000s might’ve been conservative but it never felt oppressive the same way the 50s did with family-oriented bland suburban culture. People could speak their mind without people throwing hissy fits over it (except for 9/11 which was understandably still a touchy subject).
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Post by nightmarefarm on Apr 10, 2022 18:14:45 GMT 10
2002 was the most conservative, without a doubt. That was when EVERYBODY supported Bush and nobody criticized him. There was lots of support for the wars in the Middle East, and patriotic attitudes were everywhere. Most liberal would be 2020. Scratch that, 2020 was actually TOO liberal. You couldn’t go ANYWHERE without hearing something about racism. Even big companies were saying Black Lives Matter and that racism was bad. BlackOutTuesday was supported by many major celebrities. Yes I know Trump and QAnon were things this year, but the backlash against Trump had boiled over to the point where he lost the election that year. either 2002 or 2003. The years right after 9/11 where people in america was overly patriotic and islamophobic. For liberal, I dont think it's any year after 2016. Conservatism regained so much power in 2016 with trump and brexit and it has only grown since. Liberalism was basically universal back in the early - mid 10s nowadays it's more of a 50/50 split between libs and reactionaries.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Apr 10, 2022 18:19:28 GMT 10
As I mentioned earlier, a liberal or conservative era isn’t necessarily a signifier for a better era. The mid 2010s were liberal in a VERY bad way. Obnoxious Buzzfeed feminism permeated pop culture during this time, and so you how godawful reboots like Powerpuff Girls 2016 and Ghostbusters 2016 as a result. By contrast, the mid 2000s might’ve been conservative but it never felt oppressive the same way the 50s did with family-oriented bland suburban culture. People could speak their mind without people throwing hissy fits over it (except for 9/11 which was understandably still a touchy subject). basically you mean there should be a balance between both?
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Post by astropoug on Apr 10, 2022 18:19:59 GMT 10
2002 was the most conservative, without a doubt. That was when EVERYBODY supported Bush and nobody criticized him. There was lots of support for the wars in the Middle East, and patriotic attitudes were everywhere. Most liberal would be 2020. Scratch that, 2020 was actually TOO liberal. You couldn’t go ANYWHERE without hearing something about racism. Even big companies were saying Black Lives Matter and that racism was bad. BlackOutTuesday was supported by many major celebrities. Yes I know Trump and QAnon were things this year, but the backlash against Trump had boiled over to the point where he lost the election that year. either 2002 or 2003. The years right after 9/11 where people in america was overly patriotic and islamophobic. For liberal, I dont think it's any year after 2016. Conservatism regained so much power in 2016 with trump and brexit and it has only grown since. Liberalism was basically universal back in the early - mid 10s nowadays it's more of a 50/50 split between libs and reactionaries. Here in the US 2020 was undeniably liberal though in every way. Maybe in other countries less so.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Apr 10, 2022 18:25:12 GMT 10
either 2002 or 2003. The years right after 9/11 where people in america was overly patriotic and islamophobic. For liberal, I dont think it's any year after 2016. Conservatism regained so much power in 2016 with trump and brexit and it has only grown since. Liberalism was basically universal back in the early - mid 10s nowadays it's more of a 50/50 split between libs and reactionaries. Here in the US 2020 was undeniably liberal though in every way. Maybe in other countries less so. Even in the US i still see a lot more conservatives nowadays than 2015. The difference is in 2015 liberalism was in full force with the legalisation of gay marriage, transgender being talked about and other stuff but there wans't a united conservative unit that spoke out against it. There's also the elephant in the room with a black liberal president in 2015 and trump in 2020.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 10, 2022 18:27:09 GMT 10
As I mentioned earlier, a liberal or conservative era isn’t necessarily a signifier for a better era. The mid 2010s were liberal in a VERY bad way. Obnoxious Buzzfeed feminism permeated pop culture during this time, and so you how godawful reboots like Powerpuff Girls 2016 and Ghostbusters 2016 as a result. By contrast, the mid 2000s might’ve been conservative but it never felt oppressive the same way the 50s did with family-oriented bland suburban culture. People could speak their mind without people throwing hissy fits over it (except for 9/11 which was understandably still a touchy subject). basically you mean there should be a balance between both? YES 🙌 Being too liberal or too conservative is a bad thing. Too liberal, and you get riots, crime, preachiness, and political correctness. Too conservative, and you get jingoistic patriotism, bigoted attitudes, and closed-mindedness. At the same time, it should also be an era where the two can at least somewhat get along. You could argue the late 2010s was balanced because there was a presence of both conservatives and liberals in the culture but the fact both made each other look like the devil coupled with BOTH becoming more extremist just made the culture of the era feel downright toxic. IMO, I’d say the late 2000s are still the most balanced era we’ve had politically, at least in the 21st century. Obama took over in that era, but the culture hadn’t become overly preachy and politically correct like in the early or especially mid 2010s. It was also lacking in the overly patriotic attitudes the early 2000s had. Mid 2000s was a more conservative era but culturally I’d argue more balanced vs the completely conservative early 2000s. You had lots of anti-Bush satire like Fahrenheit 9/11 and Team America: World Police. His approval ratings were dropping.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 10, 2022 18:29:09 GMT 10
Here in the US 2020 was undeniably liberal though in every way. Maybe in other countries less so. Even in the US i still see a lot more conservatives nowadays than 2015. The difference is in 2015 liberalism was in full force with the legalisation of gay marriage, transgender being talked about and other stuff but there wans't a united conservative unit that spoke out against it. There's also the elephant in the room with a black liberal president in 2015 and trump in 2020. Anti-SJW culture was already gaining attention in 2014/2015 with the likes of Sargon of Akkad. The entire Gamergate movement. They of course were a big contingent that supported Trump.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Apr 10, 2022 18:31:10 GMT 10
Even in the US i still see a lot more conservatives nowadays than 2015. The difference is in 2015 liberalism was in full force with the legalisation of gay marriage, transgender being talked about and other stuff but there wans't a united conservative unit that spoke out against it. There's also the elephant in the room with a black liberal president in 2015 and trump in 2020. Anti-SJW culture was already gaining attention in 2014/2015 with the likes of Sargon of Akkad. The entire Gamergate movement. They of course were a big contingent that supported Trump. That's basically a seed compared to the tree that blossomed throughout the late 10s. I remember gamergate well. 2016 is really the big shift when conservatism became a mainstream viewpoint again.
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Post by 10slover on Apr 11, 2022 0:08:33 GMT 10
2020 wasn't liberal at all
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Post by John Titor on Apr 11, 2022 0:11:20 GMT 10
The most liberal is 2015 by far, the most conservative was Early 2002
Source : I was there for both
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