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Post by carcar on May 26, 2022 15:32:57 GMT 10
What sub culture scene in contrast to the more subdued tone of the decade had a more edgy and angst aesthetic to the rest. What we’re the most gaudy things about the 2010s ?
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Post by astropoug on May 26, 2022 17:28:16 GMT 10
EMO RAP
In general 2015-2018 were actually quite edgy. It’s the rest of the decade that’s incredibly soft and saccharine.
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Post by carcar on May 26, 2022 18:02:27 GMT 10
EMO RAPIn general 2015-2018 were actually quite edgy. It’s the rest of the decade that’s incredibly soft and saccharine. I figured as much, as much as I wasn’t a fun, the mumble/Emo rap aesthetic was the anti-nostalgia, constantly poking fun at old school rappers and they’re rejection of minimalism. What would you say were the fonts for this overall aesthetic?
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Post by John Titor on May 27, 2022 0:00:00 GMT 10
Pop Punk/E-Girl was already underground and making waves in 2017 and 2018 and 2019 as I reported but it
was not "mainstream yet"
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Post by Telso on May 27, 2022 0:50:41 GMT 10
EMO RAPIn general 2015-2018 were actually quite edgy. It’s the rest of the decade that’s incredibly soft and saccharine. Agree, hard to think these two songs were charttoppers in the same decade:
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Post by 10slover on May 27, 2022 3:51:49 GMT 10
Overall the 10s weren't really an edgy decade at all, I can't think of an edgy era
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Post by astropoug on May 27, 2022 4:01:12 GMT 10
Overall the 10s weren't really an edgy decade at all, I can't think of an edgy era Yeah, the 90s and 00s were much edgier than the 10s. Hell, there was even some edginess in the 70s and 80s. Personally, I blame this on the fact that rock music declined during the 2010s. Instead, you had lighthearted pop dominating the charts.
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Post by carcar on May 28, 2022 9:26:13 GMT 10
Overall the 10s weren't really an edgy decade at all, I can't think of an edgy era Yeah, the 90s and 00s were much edgier than the 10s. Hell, there was even some edginess in the 70s and 80s. Personally, I blame this on the fact that rock music declined during the 2010s. Instead, you had lighthearted pop dominating the charts. Hip hop music not edgy enough for you lol ?
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Post by 10slover on May 28, 2022 13:57:30 GMT 10
Yeah, the 90s and 00s were much edgier than the 10s. Hell, there was even some edginess in the 70s and 80s. Personally, I blame this on the fact that rock music declined during the 2010s. Instead, you had lighthearted pop dominating the charts. Hip hop music not edgy enough for you lol ? Hip Hop and Rock are edgy in different ways Hip-hop edginess is usually centered around gang violence, drug trafficking, having sex with bitches or whatever Rock edginess is stuff like feeling suicidal and wanting to shoot yourself or whatever I know there are exception (late 10s sad-trap) but they're just that... Exceptions
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Post by carcar on May 28, 2022 14:06:19 GMT 10
Hip hop music not edgy enough for you lol ? Hip Hop and Rock are edgy in different ways Hip-hop edginess is usually centered around gang violence, drug trafficking, having sex with bitches or whatever Rock edginess is stuff like feeling suicidal and wanting to shoot yourself or whatever I know there are exception (late 10s sad-trap) but they're just that... Exceptions I think in the late 2010s those genres blended together like you said but before that in the 2000s they were largely seen as two separate categories that would speak and motivate about largely different things. So I do think that did bring a breathe of fresh air during the 2010s that was not even a thought in the 2000s. Nowadays it’s still like that now and I predict it will evolve from there. I think the late 2010s subdued Emo rap had effect even on pop music when songs from Billie ellish started to get popular and used a lot of dark imagery in her music video.
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Post by astropoug on May 28, 2022 15:05:21 GMT 10
Hip Hop and Rock are edgy in different ways Hip-hop edginess is usually centered around gang violence, drug trafficking, having sex with bitches or whatever Rock edginess is stuff like feeling suicidal and wanting to shoot yourself or whatever I know there are exception (late 10s sad-trap) but they're just that... Exceptions I think in the late 2010s those genres blended together like you said but before that in the 2000s they were largely seen as two separate categories that would speak and motivate about largely different things. So I do think that did bring a breathe of fresh air during the 2010s that was not even a thought in the 2000s. Nowadays it’s still like that now and I predict it will evolve from there. I think the late 2010s subdued Emo rap had effect even on pop music when songs from Billie ellish started to get popular and used a lot of dark imagery in her music video. Rap was actually legitimately pretty dark and emotional during the mid 90s It's just such a shame it was so short-lived. Because outside of a few Eminem songs and Kanye's album 808s and Heartbreaks, I cannot really think of too many 2000s rap songs that veered down this path. It seems it didn't become a big thing again until the late 2010s. I think because rap as a whole was more materialistic and unemotional during the 2000s, and rock was insanely edgy and angsty during that same time, it led to the perceptions that this was how rock and rap were. Though of course, I should point out that the biggest band of the early 2000s, Linkin Park, was a rap rock band, and their music was very dark. I think the early 00s though actually did a decent job with rock and rap being blended together, and being able to talk about different subjects in doing so. But once crunk blew up and nu metal died off, is when things changed.
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Post by carcar on May 28, 2022 17:43:44 GMT 10
I think in the late 2010s those genres blended together like you said but before that in the 2000s they were largely seen as two separate categories that would speak and motivate about largely different things. So I do think that did bring a breathe of fresh air during the 2010s that was not even a thought in the 2000s. Nowadays it’s still like that now and I predict it will evolve from there. I think the late 2010s subdued Emo rap had effect even on pop music when songs from Billie ellish started to get popular and used a lot of dark imagery in her music video. Rap was actually legitimately pretty dark and emotional during the mid 90s It's just such a shame it was so short-lived. Because outside of a few Eminem songs and Kanye's album 808s and Heartbreaks, I cannot really think of too many 2000s rap songs that veered down this path. It seems it didn't become a big thing again until the late 2010s. I think because rap as a whole was more materialistic and unemotional during the 2000s, and rock was insanely edgy and angsty during that same time, it led to the perceptions that this was how rock and rap were. Though of course, I should point out that the biggest band of the early 2000s, Linkin Park, was a rap rock band, and their music was very dark. I think the early 00s though actually did a decent job with rock and rap being blended together, and being able to talk about different subjects in doing so. But once crunk blew up and nu metal died off, is when things changed. I knew about this trend of emotional rap songs of the mid 90s like “mama” from Tupac in that his expressing his inner sadness but it’s not like in the way emo rap is like lucid dreams or SAD!! by XXXtentacion tbh. Maybe it’s just the difference in artistic music video design.
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Post by astropoug on May 28, 2022 18:45:08 GMT 10
Rap was actually legitimately pretty dark and emotional during the mid 90s It's just such a shame it was so short-lived. Because outside of a few Eminem songs and Kanye's album 808s and Heartbreaks, I cannot really think of too many 2000s rap songs that veered down this path. It seems it didn't become a big thing again until the late 2010s. I think because rap as a whole was more materialistic and unemotional during the 2000s, and rock was insanely edgy and angsty during that same time, it led to the perceptions that this was how rock and rap were. Though of course, I should point out that the biggest band of the early 2000s, Linkin Park, was a rap rock band, and their music was very dark. I think the early 00s though actually did a decent job with rock and rap being blended together, and being able to talk about different subjects in doing so. But once crunk blew up and nu metal died off, is when things changed. I knew about this trend of emotional rap songs of the mid 90s like “mama” from Tupac in that his expressing his inner sadness but it’s not like in the way emo rap is like lucid dreams or SAD!! by XXXtentacion tbh. Maybe it’s just the difference in artistic music video design. I think because in the late 2010s, emo rap was a fad with tons of edgy teens posting sad boi Bart Simpson memes and shit. Whereas in the mid 90s, there was never a movement of sad rap songs. It was just part of the zeitgeist of the time. In my honest opinion, I find the mid 90s stuff far more authentic than the late 10s stuff. It just seems like emo rap was this thing edgy 15 year olds on Instagram caught on to and posted stories about how sad they were whilst Lil Peep or XXXTentacion played in the background. Plus the mid 90s stuff still kept true to gangsta rap themes. It was just more serious than anything.
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Post by dudewitdausername on May 29, 2022 0:15:07 GMT 10
Emo rap era for sure. Second half of the 2010s WERE edgy, don't know why some ppl deny that lol.
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Post by dudewitdausername on May 29, 2022 0:18:09 GMT 10
I knew about this trend of emotional rap songs of the mid 90s like “mama” from Tupac in that his expressing his inner sadness but it’s not like in the way emo rap is like lucid dreams or SAD!! by XXXtentacion tbh. Maybe it’s just the difference in artistic music video design. I think because in the late 2010s, emo rap was a fad with tons of edgy teens posting sad boi Bart Simpson memes and shit. Whereas in the mid 90s, there was never a movement of sad rap songs. It was just part of the zeitgeist of the time. In my honest opinion, I find the mid 90s stuff far more authentic than the late 10s stuff. It just seems like emo rap was this thing edgy 15 year olds on Instagram caught on to and posted stories about how sad they were whilst Lil Peep or XXXTentacion played in the background. Plus the mid 90s stuff still kept true to gangsta rap themes. It was just more serious than anything. true lol, gangster rap back now tho (Lil Durk, EST Gee, NBA YoungBoy, NLE Choppa, etc.)... but it's less "serious" than 90s gangster rap, I'd compare it more to 2000s gangster rap.
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