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Post by astropoug on Jun 2, 2022 17:21:05 GMT 10
Many people complain about excessive nostalgia in pop culture. “OMG there’s so much 80s revivalism why can’t there be something new?” Whilst it can be understandable to a degree, the fact is that reviving previous eras has been a part of human history forever. This extends to every aspect of our culture and society.
A prominent example is the Renaissance. The whole idea behind the Renaissance was reviving how Europe was in the Ancient days, and moving past the seemingly backwards Medieval period. Art, architecture, and even music were heavily influenced by the Renaissance.
The 1890s were glamorized in many later decades. So were the 1920s. The 50s revivalism in the 70s is perhaps the first really noteworthy decade comeback, understandable given the crappy economy, crime, urban decay, and generally cynical society of the time. Later decades got revived over time as a byproduct of nostalgia.
But what’s more important isn’t whether a time period is being revived, but rather how it’s revived to create something new. The Renaissance is a revival of the Ancient Rome days, but nevertheless created its own distinct culture we know today. The 60s saw a revival of folk music after decades of being ignored by contemporary popular music. The 00s had the revival of garage rock and post-punk. In both cases, the new decade’s interpretation of the music gave rise to music that would define both decades.
The modern 80s synth revival going on now doesn’t have to be a bad thing. Look at vaporwave. That music genre is all about 80s and 90s nostalgia, yet nobody would disagree with me when I say it’s a very distinct and unique movement.
But that’s just my thoughts and observations.
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Post by Telso on Jun 3, 2022 5:15:12 GMT 10
Looking back and taking influences from the past has always been a thing, it's very true. I've read somewhere for instance how the 1950s were sort of a going back to the traditionalism of the Victorian era, as it was seen as the stable "good old days", especially compared to the two previous decades. And you can definitely tell, right down to 50s female fashion being a throwback to the 1860s.   On the other hand, my main issue however with the early 2020s is that it definitely takes nostalgia bait to the next level. Music right now is very consumed by throwbacks, there are buttload of reboots and remakes coming out in movies and series, and even fashion borrows a lot from the past. The decade so far has been very "hey, remember the 70s/80s/90s/00s?" and really not much else, which doesn't leave much room for its own identity to form. Even technology, which usually makes a decade's culture quite unique, really can only go so far lately it seems.
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Post by astropoug on Jun 3, 2022 6:15:26 GMT 10
Looking back and taking influences from the past has always been a thing, it's very true. I've read somewhere for instance how the 1950s were sort of a going back to the traditionalism of the Victorian era, as it was seen as the stable "good old days", especially compared to the two previous decades. And you can definitely tell, right down to 50s female fashion being a throwback to the 1860s. On the other hand, my main issue however with the early 2020s is that it definitely takes nostalgia bait to the next level. Music right now is very consumed by throwbacks, there are buttload of reboots and remakes coming out in movies and series, and even fashion borrows a lot from the past. The decade so far has been very "hey, remember the 70s/80s/90s/00s?" and really not much else, which doesn't leave much room for its own identity to form. Even technology, which usually makes a decade's culture quite unique, really can only go so far lately it seems. This is a very good point to make about the 50s. I definitely see the similarities between the 50s and the Victorian era. How it's this very stable, traditional, conservative, stuffy time period. It's also crazy to think how 70s revivalism began in the 90s, and really hasn't abated. It's sort of waxed and waned, but never REALLY went away. Maybe it's not as strong as it was in the 00s, but it's still very much a thing.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Jun 3, 2022 6:26:02 GMT 10
Thing is 80s got all the love since the 2000s.
80s was all about the 60s, 90s all about the 70s... Then 2000s all the way to the early 2020s were all about the 80s (mostly in the 2010s and peaked in 2020).
Now 90s-early 2000s is finally getting some love but 80s revival got way too much time.
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Post by 10slover on Jun 3, 2022 7:23:16 GMT 10
Thing is 80s got all the love since the 2000s. 80s was all about the 60s, 90s all about the 70s... Then 2000s all the way to the early 2020s were all about the 80s (mostly in the 2010s and peaked in 2020). Now 90s-early 2000s is finally getting some love but 80s revival got way too much time. 70s and 80s were all about the 50s, with the sixties only showing up in the later half of the 80s The early 2020s are not all about the 80s at all, 80s nostalgia undoubtedly peaked in the late 10s. We're clearly entering the 90s/00s era now Either way, this isn't anything new either... 1890s nostalgia was still HUGE from the 1920s until the early 1960s
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Post by John Titor on Jun 3, 2022 8:50:08 GMT 10
Thing is 80s got all the love since the 2000s. 80s was all about the 60s, 90s all about the 70s... Then 2000s all the way to the early 2020s were all about the 80s (mostly in the 2010s and peaked in 2020). Now 90s-early 2000s is finally getting some love but 80s revival got way too much time. 70s and 80s were all about the 50s, with the sixties only showing up in the later half of the 80s The early 2020s are not all about the 80s at all, 80s nostalgia undoubtedly peaked in the late 10s. We're clearly entering the 90s/00s era now Either way, this isn't anything new either... 1890s nostalgia was still HUGE from the 1920s until the early 1960s 2010s was for 90s tho we entered it like in 2014/2015, hence Fuller House and Girl meets World, along with modernized versions of overalls and mid 90s fashion stripped down, not to mention the plethora of Nirvana shirts.
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Post by astropoug on Jun 3, 2022 8:54:03 GMT 10
70s and 80s were all about the 50s, with the sixties only showing up in the later half of the 80s The early 2020s are not all about the 80s at all, 80s nostalgia undoubtedly peaked in the late 10s. We're clearly entering the 90s/00s era now Either way, this isn't anything new either... 1890s nostalgia was still HUGE from the 1920s until the early 1960s 2010s was for 90s tho we entered it like in 2014/2015, hence Fuller House and Girl meets World, along with modernized versions of overalls and mid 90s fashion stripped down, not to mention the plethora of Nirvana shirts. 90s nostalgia began earlier. I’d say around 2011 with the launch of The 90s Are All That was when it really started. You also had the whole “90s kid phenomenon back then.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 3, 2022 8:57:06 GMT 10
2010s was for 90s tho we entered it like in 2014/2015, hence Fuller House and Girl meets World, along with modernized versions of overalls and mid 90s fashion stripped down, not to mention the plethora of Nirvana shirts. 90s nostalgia began earlier. I’d say around 2011 with the launch of The 90s Are All That was when it really started. You also had the whole “90s kid phenomenon back then. It def did begin in 2011, Tumblr fueled this early wave
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Post by mc98 on Jun 3, 2022 9:36:20 GMT 10
A lot of people forget that a lot of female 1960s fashion and hairstyles are inspired by 1920s aesthetics.
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Post by 10slover on Jun 3, 2022 10:33:39 GMT 10
70s and 80s were all about the 50s, with the sixties only showing up in the later half of the 80s The early 2020s are not all about the 80s at all, 80s nostalgia undoubtedly peaked in the late 10s. We're clearly entering the 90s/00s era now Either way, this isn't anything new either... 1890s nostalgia was still HUGE from the 1920s until the early 1960s 2010s was for 90s tho we entered it like in 2014/2015, hence Fuller House and Girl meets World, along with modernized versions of overalls and mid 90s fashion stripped down, not to mention the plethora of Nirvana shirts. 80s nostalgia was bigger than 90s nostalgia in the 10s
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Post by John Titor on Jun 3, 2022 10:38:31 GMT 10
2010s was for 90s tho we entered it like in 2014/2015, hence Fuller House and Girl meets World, along with modernized versions of overalls and mid 90s fashion stripped down, not to mention the plethora of Nirvana shirts. 80s nostalgia was bigger than 90s nostalgia in the 10s until like 2016-2018
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jun 4, 2022 14:52:31 GMT 10
True but it's important to not let it get out of hand to the point where it is dominant over fresh and original pop culture.
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Post by astropoug on Jun 4, 2022 15:57:09 GMT 10
True but it's important to not let it get out of hand to the point where it is dominant over fresh and original pop culture. I think it's just about this question: is it doing anything fresh or original to reinvent what it's taking inspiration from? For example, there's a big difference between the original Lion King based off Hamlet, which reinvented it with its African setting, animal characters, and fantastic animation, and thus received critical acclaim, and the 2019 remake, which is pretty much just the original movie with "realistic" CGI, and slight changes (that mostly made it worse), and was widely hated on. THAT'S the problem with modern pop culture. Even when it's trying to do something to reinvent preexisting pop culture, it's usually through some dumb gimmick, like "OMG what if we genderflipped the characters?" or "OMG what if it it looked "realistic""? It's not actually doing anything new.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jun 4, 2022 15:59:51 GMT 10
True but it's important to not let it get out of hand to the point where it is dominant over fresh and original pop culture. I think it's just about this question: is it doing anything fresh or original to reinvent what it's taking inspiration from? For example, there's a big difference between the original Lion King based off Hamlet, which reinvented it with its African setting, animal characters, and fantastic animation, and thus received critical acclaim, and the 2019 remake, which is pretty much just the original movie with "realistic" CGI, and slight changes (that mostly made it worse), and was widely hated on. THAT'S the problem with modern pop culture. Even when it's trying to do something to reinvent preexisting pop culture, it's usually through some dumb gimmick, like "OMG what if we genderflipped the characters?" or "OMG what if it it looked "realistic""? It's not actually doing anything new. Yeah, we really need to get away from this nostalgia driven culture. Enough with the remakes and reboots.
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