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Post by John Titor on Feb 24, 2019 14:06:26 GMT 10
I know some of you may or may not be rolling their eyes, last year Pop Punk was suppose to blow up from the Emo Nite festivals that have been
getting bigger every month. I have gotten word that there is going to be a huge push in a few months to get a few pop punk acts on Kiss FM
branded stations and a push for top 40 radio in general. The Rap Emo movement is in place as well, this is a prefect opportunity.
This Summer you are going to see more pop punk events pop up on the Western coast, they are going to be EDM size style events.
GROEZROCK, CAMP ANARCHY are going to be MAJOR showcases for pop punk acts to test the waters.
Here are a few acts to keep your radar locked on for later this year.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 24, 2019 16:50:46 GMT 10
I'm skeptical, to be honest. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 3:53:09 GMT 10
I'm skeptical, to be honest. I'll believe it when I see it. Same. Not that I don’t like Waterparks, Stand Atlantic, or Knucklepucks, but I’m just not seeing this widely prophesized resurgence actually materializing.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 25, 2019 9:20:15 GMT 10
I'm skeptical, to be honest. I'll believe it when I see it. Same. Not that I don’t like Waterparks, Stand Atlantic, or Knucklepucks, but I’m just not seeing this widely prophesized resurgence actually materializing. I agree. Besides that, I just don't think a record label can essentially "force" an entire genre down the throats of the public. Playing pop-punk on Top-40 radio is going to be pointless if there is no demand for it in the first place.
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Post by John Titor on Feb 25, 2019 10:32:29 GMT 10
Same. Not that I don’t like Waterparks, Stand Atlantic, or Knucklepucks, but I’m just not seeing this widely prophesized resurgence actually materializing. I agree. Besides that, I just don't think a record label can essentially "force" an entire genre down the throats of the public. Playing pop-punk on Top-40 radio is going to be pointless if there is no demand for it in the first place. JIVE did it in 99 sub Pop did it in 91 there is a huge demand for pop punk
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Post by John Titor on Feb 25, 2019 12:31:29 GMT 10
to be fair tho I was at that meetup where Atlantic talked about Ava Max in March of 2018
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 13:11:36 GMT 10
::doubt::
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 25, 2019 21:31:02 GMT 10
I agree. Besides that, I just don't think a record label can essentially "force" an entire genre down the throats of the public. Playing pop-punk on Top-40 radio is going to be pointless if there is no demand for it in the first place. JIVE did it in 99 sub Pop did it in 91 That doesn't explain how R.E.M managed to breakthrough into the mainstream in the Late '80s. Besides, Nirvana's Nevermind was actually released under Geffen Records, not Sub-Pop Records. Grunge/alternative-rock entered into the mainstream as there was actually demand for it.
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Post by Telso on Feb 25, 2019 21:38:31 GMT 10
Pop Punk returning now makes as much sense as Glam Rock returning in the 90s or Glam Metal in the 2000s. If there was really a demand for it, wouldn't have it be more represented in the top charts as of right now already? In the streaming age, the public has more of a control than ever before and labels in general only have the possibility to play along with the general tastes. Pop Punk is so unpopular that even ex-Pop Punk bands like Fall Out Boy and Panic at the Disco are forced to adopt the Imagine Dragons sound if they even expect to have some succes.
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Post by John Titor on Feb 26, 2019 3:02:02 GMT 10
JIVE did it in 99 sub Pop did it in 91 That doesn't explain how R.E.M managed to breakthrough into the mainstream in the Late '80s. Besides, Nirvana's Nevermind was actually released under Geffen Records, not Sub-Pop Records. Grunge/alternative-rock entered into the mainstream as there was actually demand for it. Sub Pop spawned tons of grunge bands after Nevermind was released, watch the doc called Hype it goes into it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 12:07:18 GMT 10
That doesn't explain how R.E.M managed to breakthrough into the mainstream in the Late '80s. Besides, Nirvana's Nevermind was actually released under Geffen Records, not Sub-Pop Records. Grunge/alternative-rock entered into the mainstream as there was actually demand for it. Sub Pop spawned tons of grunge bands after Nevermind was released, watch the doc called Hype it goes into it. Yeah, I've seen Hype. If that one documentary is the entire basis of your knowledge on the subject, you need to start reading some books, preferably starting with Our Band Could Be Your Life or Grunge Is Dead (which is a great book and you should read anyhow). Sub-Pop and the Seattle sound sat atop the by-then sizable audience created by a decade of alternative music before it, from Hüsker Dü to the Minutemen.
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Post by John Titor on Feb 26, 2019 13:37:10 GMT 10
Sub Pop spawned tons of grunge bands after Nevermind was released, watch the doc called Hype it goes into it. Yeah, I've seen Hype. If that one documentary is the entire basis of your knowledge on the subject, you need to start reading some books, preferably starting with Our Band Could Be Your Life or Grunge Is Dead (which is a great book and you should read anyhow). Sub-Pop and the Seattle sound sat atop the by-then sizable audience created by a decade of alternative music before it, from Hüsker Dü to the Minutemen. I was alive for grunge, I saw it happen with my eyes, Grunge was popping off in 88 in Seattle and was not until Nevermind came out on Geffen it defined it for mainstream. Soon after other bands were singing to sub pop and it was creating more awareness on "grunge" then designers like Marc Jacobs were were trying to do the grunge look with their clothes. Lots of Copy cats and wanna bees. Without Nirvana there is no mainstream grunge movement, and without Sub Pop they prob would not have popped off as well as they did. It is true what HYPE said tho that is what happened pretty much. I will take a look at that book you linked. As for JIVE they spear headed Teen pop 2.0, alot of it is because of Spice Girls obviously, but Backstreet boys, Nsync, Britney all came from that 1 label.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 26, 2019 20:59:47 GMT 10
I was alive for grunge, I saw it happen with my eyes, Grunge was popping off in 88 in Seattle and was not until Nevermind came out on Geffen it defined it for mainstream. Soon after other bands were singing to sub pop and it was creating more awareness on "grunge" then designers like Marc Jacobs were were trying to do the grunge look with their clothes. Lots of Copy cats and wanna bees. Without Nirvana there is no mainstream grunge movement, and without Sub Pop they prob would not have popped off as well as they did. It is true what HYPE said tho that is what happened pretty much. I will take a look at that book you linked. As for JIVE they spear headed Teen pop 2.0, alot of it is because of Spice Girls obviously, but Backstreet boys, Nsync, Britney all came from that 1 label. Sub-pop were instrumental in alternative-rock making it big, but the point i'm making is that they didn't "force" the genre onto the mainstream. It became popular as interest in the genre had been building over a long period of time, not because the record label/s "pushed it" onto Top-40 radio. Nirvana's breakthrough in Late 1991 was the culmination of many, many years of development. Like I alluded to earlier in this thread, if there is limited demand in a genre making a resurgence, it's not going to suddenly become a huge staple on Top-40 radio. Why would the Top-40 stations want to sacrifice playing genuine hits in favour of a genre that has limited popularity outside of niche circles? It doesn't make any sense. Not only would it result in ratings for the station spiraling into a decline, but it would also have a detrimental impact on the station's finances as well. From a business point of view, it would be suicide to follow through with such a thing. Also, no offence, but I very much doubt that you would have much of a recollection (if at all) of Grunge/alt-rock emerging into the mainstream. You were born in 1988, correct? That would mean that you were only three years old when Nirvana had their big breakthrough. I highly doubt that you would have truly understood what was going on in the music world at the time.
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Post by John Titor on Feb 27, 2019 3:53:24 GMT 10
I was alive for grunge, I saw it happen with my eyes, Grunge was popping off in 88 in Seattle and was not until Nevermind came out on Geffen it defined it for mainstream. Soon after other bands were singing to sub pop and it was creating more awareness on "grunge" then designers like Marc Jacobs were were trying to do the grunge look with their clothes. Lots of Copy cats and wanna bees. Without Nirvana there is no mainstream grunge movement, and without Sub Pop they prob would not have popped off as well as they did. It is true what HYPE said tho that is what happened pretty much. I will take a look at that book you linked. As for JIVE they spear headed Teen pop 2.0, alot of it is because of Spice Girls obviously, but Backstreet boys, Nsync, Britney all came from that 1 label. Sub-pop were instrumental in alternative-rock making it big, but the point i'm making is that they didn't "force" the genre onto the mainstream. It became popular as interest in the genre had been building over a long period of time, not because the record label/s "pushed it" onto Top-40 radio. Nirvana's breakthrough in Late 1991 was the culmination of many, many years of development. Like I alluded to earlier in this thread, if there is limited demand in a genre making a resurgence, it's not going to suddenly become a huge staple on Top-40 radio. Why would the Top-40 stations want to sacrifice playing genuine hits in favour of a genre that has limited popularity outside of niche circles? It doesn't make any sense. Not only would it result in ratings for the station spiraling into a decline, but it would also have a detrimental impact on the station's finances as well. From a business point of view, it would be suicide to follow through with such a thing. Also, no offence, but I very much doubt that you would have much of a recollection (if at all) of Grunge/alt-rock emerging into the mainstream. You were born in 1988, correct? That would mean that you were only three years old when Nirvana had their big breakthrough. I highly doubt that you would have truly understood what was going on in the music world at the time. but the thing is there is a huge demand for pop punk, Emo Nite, more and more pop punk festivals popping up. It has been growing since 2016, just like Grunge was "growing" 1989, I have memories of late 91 and 92 and 93, I did watch MTV then I remember all of the fake grunge bands that came along, I also remember in 94 when Kurt died and there was a huge parade of people outside in New Brunswick New Jersey with candles. I remember how the era felt and I do remember all of the aftermath. I may have been young to analyze what was happening, but I was a witness to what was going on around me. I remember that era very well. I also remember the mini alternative soft grunge era when Smashing Pumpkins blew up, the era lasted until late 96. My memory of that era is VERY vivid, I also remember minute things about it like playing Sonic 2, Sonic Spinball, Super Mario world etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 10:37:27 GMT 10
I'm happy that you're able to remember all of that so well, but the fact remains that you're missing the underlying point: you can't simply astroturf a pop cultural movement into existence.
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