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Nov 6, 2019 8:59:58 GMT 10
Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 6, 2019 8:59:58 GMT 10
Wow are we seeing another adult contemporary era? I'm not sure if I would say that we are seeing another adult contemporary era, but I definitely think music in general has shifted more towards a "mature", acoustic-driven sound over the past 6-12 months. Established artists such as Post Malone, Halsey and Miley Cyrus have opted for a minimalist-approach to their music, as is the case with "Circles", "Graveyard", "Slide Away" etc. The reason why I wouldn't be inclined to say that we are in an adult contemporary era, is because I don't think the target audience for the music has necessarily changed. I mean sure, music is noticeably more "downbeat" than it was just a year ago, however I wouldn't say the majority of these songs (other than perhaps Lewis Capaldi's "Someone You Loved") are in the same adult-contemporary vein as the material released by artists such as Adele or Sam Smith. Does anyone else find Dance Monkey to fit in sort of weirdly to the current sound? At first I was wondering if it was from a soundtrack or something. Yep, though it doesn't really sound like anything else on the charts. It's very "current" while also seeming like a complete outlier.
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Nov 6, 2019 10:40:41 GMT 10
Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 10:40:41 GMT 10
Katy Perry has released a new song titled "Harleys in Hawaii". Her career has generally been on the decline ever since the electropop era came to an end over six years ago, but this is a new low even for her. I really feel as though she is just phoning it in by this point. Part of the problem is down to the fact that her career is directionless and has been for quite some time. It would seem as though Katy and her record producers are throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks, however nothing is coming off to great effect. In "Never Really Over", she returns back to her electropop roots, but this single sees her dropping that style/aesthetic altogether and going for a minimalist, "summery" R&B sound. This wouldn't be an issue if there had been genuine passion or enthusiasm gone into making this. She doesn't sound engaged at all, to the point where it comes across as her singing someone's else's song against her own will. I can't see this performing well on the Top-40 charts. "Small Talk" was a pretty lacklustre follow-up to "Never Really Over". One thing about Katy Perry is I'd say her decline has been very gradual unlike Gaga who crashed and burned. I actually liked "Small Talk" and "Never Really Over" but I agree with you on this new song.
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Nov 6, 2019 11:01:44 GMT 10
Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 6, 2019 11:01:44 GMT 10
Katy Perry has released a new song titled "Harleys in Hawaii". Her career has generally been on the decline ever since the electropop era came to an end over six years ago, but this is a new low even for her. I really feel as though she is just phoning it in by this point. Part of the problem is down to the fact that her career is directionless and has been for quite some time. It would seem as though Katy and her record producers are throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks, however nothing is coming off to great effect. In "Never Really Over", she returns back to her electropop roots, but this single sees her dropping that style/aesthetic altogether and going for a minimalist, "summery" R&B sound. This wouldn't be an issue if there had been genuine passion or enthusiasm gone into making this. She doesn't sound engaged at all, to the point where it comes across as her singing someone's else's song against her own will. I can't see this performing well on the Top-40 charts. "Small Talk" was a pretty lacklustre follow-up to "Never Really Over". One thing about Katy Perry is I'd say her decline has been very gradual unlike Gaga who crashed and burned. I actually liked "Small Talk" and "Never Really Over" but I agree with you on this new song. That's true. Out of all of the biggest defining artists of the electropop scene, Lady Gaga arguably suffered the most from it's decline as her music and overall image were heavily associated with that entire aesthetic.
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Nov 6, 2019 11:14:25 GMT 10
Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 6, 2019 11:14:25 GMT 10
Dua Lipa has released a new song. I haven't listened to it, but it is getting great reviews on RateYourMusic and it's currently at #4 on the Australian iTunes chart. It is heavily influenced by Disco from what I've read.
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Nov 7, 2019 0:36:46 GMT 10
Post by al on Nov 7, 2019 0:36:46 GMT 10
I find it interesting how Lady Gaga’s biggest recent success has been the song she recorded with Bradley Cooper for their movie. It’s so very different than most of what we’ve heard from her. Yep, though it doesn't really sound like anything else on the charts. It's very "current" while also seeming like a complete outlier. I can’t say that it sounds old per say because it doesn’t. But it also gives me a similar vibe as like “Lights” by Ellie Goulding and some of the songs a accompanying “The Great Gatsby” in late 2012. It almost seems like one of these meme songs to make videos to than something playing on the radio. That does cause me some pause and make me wonder if we’ll be seeing more of this.
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Nov 7, 2019 1:38:46 GMT 10
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Post by Telso on Nov 7, 2019 1:38:46 GMT 10
"Dance Monkey" to me sounds like a Sia song with an annoying high-pitched voice. It's this kind of obnoxious and gimmicky dance music that clogged up the charts in like 2016-2017, otherwise it's not anything special.
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Nov 7, 2019 1:53:05 GMT 10
Post by al on Nov 7, 2019 1:53:05 GMT 10
I’m interested to see where Selena Gomez’s new song goes. It’s not really catchy but it reminds me slightly of some Billie Eilish songs, so maybe that doesn’t matter. "Dance Monkey" to me sounds like a Sia song with an annoying high-pitched voice. It's this kind of obnoxious and gimmicky dance music that clogged up the charts in like 2016-2017, otherwise it's not anything special. Yes “gimmicky” that is the word I was looking for.
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Nov 10, 2019 16:45:10 GMT 10
Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 10, 2019 16:45:10 GMT 10
I decided to give "Don't Start Me Now" a listen on YouTube a few nights ago; interesting to see a nu-disco inspired number debut so highly on the Top-40 charts. I'm not a huge fan of it if i'm being honest, but I at least appreciate the fact that it is 'different' and I hope it continues to do well on the charts on that basis alone. Now if only I could teach myself to get out of the habit of mixing it up with Queen's "Don't Stop Me Now". Hmm, Queen and their Bohemian Rhapsody brainwashing, I don't know.  Completely unrelated, but i'm really starting to enjoy Post Malone's "Circles" for what it is. It's actually a really refreshing offering from him. I hope he continues to go down that indie/alt-rock path in future releases, as his voice is better suited to it and he is a decent guitar player. I can't help but wonder if he released "Circles" as a means of 'testing the waters', so to speak. Maybe he realises that he can't stick with the same formulaic, Trap-influenced hip-hop forever. He does have potential as an artist.
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Nov 19, 2019 22:17:25 GMT 10
Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 19, 2019 22:17:25 GMT 10
Billie Eilish has released a new song. This would have to be the best song she has released to date, however I am still not a fan of her as an artist. Her "whispering" singing style sounds so effortless and I find it grating after a while. Also, despite only being less than three years younger than myself, I find her output and overall demeanor to be cringey. Everything about her is a joke. " I'm going to release songs all in lowercase and sing about suicide to show how authentic I am". Yeah, get back to school you hack. I get the feeling that she is going to look back at herself and her music with complete embarrassment in another ten years time.
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Dec 7, 2019 12:16:21 GMT 10
Post by .savage on Dec 7, 2019 12:16:21 GMT 10
Katy Perry has released a new song titled "Harleys in Hawaii". Her career has generally been on the decline ever since the electropop era came to an end over six years ago, but this is a new low even for her. I really feel as though she is just phoning it in by this point. Part of the problem is down to the fact that her career is directionless and has been for quite some time. It would seem as though Katy and her record producers are throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks, however nothing is coming off to great effect. In "Never Really Over", she returns back to her electropop roots, but this single sees her dropping that style/aesthetic altogether and going for a minimalist, "summery" R&B sound. This wouldn't be an issue if there had been genuine passion or enthusiasm gone into making this. She doesn't sound engaged at all, to the point where it comes across as her singing someone's else's song against her own will. I can't see this performing well on the Top-40 charts. "Small Talk" was a pretty lacklustre follow-up to "Never Really Over". One thing about Katy Perry is I'd say her decline has been very gradual unlike Gaga who crashed and burned. I actually liked "Small Talk" and "Never Really Over" but I agree with you on this new song. Katy Perry's team dropped the ball. How do you release something as basic and dull as "Small Talk" after the pop perfection that is "Never Really Over". "Harleys In Hawaii"should have been next. The worst part of it is that they're not even promoting "Harleys In Hawaii".
It's sad really seeing her decline. she was the top pop start of 2010-2012. I don't expect a return to former glory as success goes, but I believe she can score a few hots here and there with the right material and proper management.
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Dec 7, 2019 12:18:09 GMT 10
Post by .savage on Dec 7, 2019 12:18:09 GMT 10
I decided to give "Don't Start Me Now" a listen on YouTube a few nights ago; interesting to see a nu-disco inspired number debut so highly on the Top-40 charts. I'm not a huge fan of it if i'm being honest, but I at least appreciate the fact that it is 'different' and I hope it continues to do well on the charts on that basis alone. Now if only I could teach myself to get out of the habit of mixing it up with Queen's "Don't Stop Me Now". Hmm, Queen and their Bohemian Rhapsody brainwashing, I don't know.  "Don't Start Now" is the best pop song of the year. I'm really looking forward to her album Future Nostalgia. Dua Lipa is going to be that star in 2020.
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Dec 7, 2019 19:38:35 GMT 10
Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 7, 2019 19:38:35 GMT 10
Katy Perry's team dropped the ball. How do you release something as basic and dull as "Small Talk" after the pop perfection that is "Never Really Over". "Harleys In Hawaii"should have been next. The worst part of it is that they're not even promoting "Harleys In Hawaii".
It's sad really seeing her decline. she was the top pop start of 2010-2012. I don't expect a return to former glory as success goes, but I believe she can score a few hots here and there with the right material and proper management.
Would it have made much difference though? "Harleys in Hawaii" is a pretty lacklustre track in itself. The truth is, if a single manages to resonate with people and is of a decent standard, it is generally likely to gain traction within the Top-40 regardless of the order in which it was released, especially in the era of streaming. Last year, Justin Timberlake's lead-single from Man of the Woods ("Filthy") quickly tumbled out of the global Top-40 charts, while the third single from the album ("Say Something") outperformed it on the charts and became a much bigger hit. The fact that "Harleys in Hawaii" has failed to make an impact is mostly a reflection on the poor quality of the song itself and Katy Perry's decline in popularity. Releasing it as the second-single wouldn't have made much of a difference, if any. Dua Lipa hasn't really gained much traction in the US though; "Don't Start Now" only debuted at #30 over there. She's definitely huge elsewhere. Here in Australia, she actually performed at the 2019 ARIA Awards last week (which is basically our equivalent of the Billboard Awards).
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Dec 8, 2019 3:26:07 GMT 10
Post by .savage on Dec 8, 2019 3:26:07 GMT 10
Katy Perry's team dropped the ball. How do you release something as basic and dull as "Small Talk" after the pop perfection that is "Never Really Over". "Harleys In Hawaii"should have been next. The worst part of it is that they're not even promoting "Harleys In Hawaii".
It's sad really seeing her decline. she was the top pop start of 2010-2012. I don't expect a return to former glory as success goes, but I believe she can score a few hots here and there with the right material and proper management.
Would it have made much difference though? "Harleys in Hawaii" is a pretty lacklustre track in itself. The truth is, if a single manages to resonate with people and is of a decent standard, it is generally likely to gain traction within the Top-40 regardless of the order in which it was released, especially in the era of streaming. Last year, Justin Timberlake's lead-single from Man of the Woods ("Filthy") quickly tumbled out of the global Top-40 charts, while the third single from the album ("Say Something") outperformed it on the charts and became a much bigger hit. The fact that "Harleys in Hawaii" has failed to make an impact is mostly a reflection on the poor quality of the song itself and Katy Perry's decline in popularity. Releasing it as the second-single wouldn't have made much of a difference, if any. Yes It would have. At this stage of her career her songs will not blow up based on her name alone. She needs to promote. Take "Small Talk" for example. It was promoted to radio and performed on live television and it didn't take off. "Harleys In Hawaii" was not given the same opportunity so its potential was stifled. Momentum is a very important thing today, once your screw up it's gets harder to bounce back. That's what happened to her during Witness. There are multiple songs with very good streams and sales but they didn't live up to their true potential pr taking off like most hits because of poor promotional choices.
Using the Justin Timberlake analogy is not the most accurate at this point since they were at different points of their career. A comparison to the Witness era would be more appropriate though. But you did prove my point. "Say Something" was given more opportunities being performed at televised events. It also got a boost when his album dropped.
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Dec 8, 2019 14:57:06 GMT 10
Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 8, 2019 14:57:06 GMT 10
Yes It would have. At this stage of her career her songs will not blow up based on her name alone. She needs to promote. Take "Small Talk" for example. It was promoted to radio and performed on live television and it didn't take off. "Harleys In Hawaii" was not given the same opportunity so its potential was stifled. Momentum is a very important thing today, once your screw up it's gets harder to bounce back. That's what happened to her during Witness. There are multiple songs with very good streams and sales but they didn't live up to their true potential pr taking off like most hits because of poor promotional choices.
Using the Justin Timberlake analogy is not the most accurate at this point since they were at different points of their career. A comparison to the Witness era would be more appropriate though. But you did prove my point. "Say Something" was given more opportunities being performed at televised events. It also got a boost when his album dropped.
There's no guarantee though that "Harleys in Hawaii" would have performed any better had it been released as the second single and was promoted to the same extent as "Small Talk". We have no concrete evidence over that, so it will always be open to speculation. Also, i'm not sure if i'd agree that her songs will no longer blow up based on her name alone. She's an established Top-40 artist, having been in the music scene for over 11 years and can lay claim to being one the biggest defining artists of the Early 2010s. We're not talking about someone who has been out of the limelight for decades. She is even a judge on "American Idol". Sure, time may no longer be on her side and the peak of her career is already behind her, but for someone who was still at the top of her game just a little over five years ago, I expect more from her.
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Dec 8, 2019 15:29:19 GMT 10
Post by .savage on Dec 8, 2019 15:29:19 GMT 10
Yes It would have. At this stage of her career her songs will not blow up based on her name alone. She needs to promote. Take "Small Talk" for example. It was promoted to radio and performed on live television and it didn't take off. "Harleys In Hawaii" was not given the same opportunity so its potential was stifled. Momentum is a very important thing today, once your screw up it's gets harder to bounce back. That's what happened to her during Witness. There are multiple songs with very good streams and sales but they didn't live up to their true potential pr taking off like most hits because of poor promotional choices.
Using the Justin Timberlake analogy is not the most accurate at this point since they were at different points of their career. A comparison to the Witness era would be more appropriate though. But you did prove my point. "Say Something" was given more opportunities being performed at televised events. It also got a boost when his album dropped.
There's no guarantee though that "Harleys in Hawaii" would have performed any better had it been released as the second single and was promoted to the same extent as "Small Talk". We have no concrete evidence over that, so it will always be open to speculation. Also, i'm not sure if i'd agree that her songs will no longer blow up based on her name alone. She's an established Top-40 artist, having been in the music scene for over 11 years and can lay claim to being one the biggest defining artists of the Early 2010s. We're not talking about someone who has been out of the limelight for decades. She is even a judge on "American Idol". Sure, time may no longer be on her side and the peak of her career is already behind her, but for someone who was still at the top of her game just a little over five years ago, I expect more from her. I'll agree with you on the basis that this discussion is purely on speculation and what ifs. It makes no sense to continue on that tangent because this discussion could go on forever lol. However I stand by what i said about her name not being strong enough for songs to take off on their own like in that past. We need to look at two things. Katy Perry the celebrity and Katy Perry the Pop star. Katy is still very much an A-list celebrity however she not an A list pop star anymore.
There are a lot of factors working against her such as age, the average longevity of a pop star, etc...
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"Don't Start Now" is the best pop song of the year. I'm really looking forward to her album Future Nostalgia. Dua Lipa is going to be that star in 2020.