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Post by John Titor on May 20, 2020 2:00:53 GMT 10
I am not going to talk about when it was rising but rather the apex of the movement you all know. It was a TERRIBLE Sub culture. I talked about this with slashpop the whole movement felt fake and contrived ,many areas that had " Hipster movements" were born out of gentrification of areas like Brooklyn New York. You had shit hole towns and now were being bought over by old men to be rebranded as loft type environment. As a New Jersey/New York native it was LAUGHABLE to see people think they belonged in a circle. Here are some things I hated about the movement in some key aspects. Commercials
Commercials on TV began to ADOPT the Hipster font, commercials would have music with Hipster neckbeard
foot stomp jingles. It felt SO FAKE. Every commercial had this FAKE hipster YEEE HAW HOOOO song.
Coffee Shops
This was the worst ( Bret Hart Voice) you had all of these coffee shops with the same stupid look to them.
Every other a month a new coffee shop would pop up in a gentrified area of BROOKLYN !
The Fashion
Do I need to say more, lets pretend this NEVER happened.
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Post by smartboi on May 20, 2020 3:07:15 GMT 10
The hipster trend is easily the biggest sin the millenial generation committed.
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Post by Early2010sGuy on May 20, 2020 3:14:03 GMT 10
Tbh, I liked it... The coffee shops felt and looked nice and cozy and I liked the minimalist fonts and aesthetics they used which looked pleasing to my eye...
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Post by smartboi on May 20, 2020 3:15:10 GMT 10
But actually just to specify, the increased popularity of hipsterism (if thats a word) is kinda what ruined it. Since hipsters, coffee shops, and strange fashion have been around for decades and aren't all necessarily bad. Hipster can't be counterculture if it IS the culture.
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Post by John Titor on May 20, 2020 7:26:14 GMT 10
But actually just to specify, the increased popularity of hipsterism (if thats a word) is kinda what ruined it. Since hipsters, coffee shops, and strange fashion have been around for decades and aren't all necessarily bad. Hipster can't be counterculture if it IS the culture. exactly
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 11:16:20 GMT 10
Some people will just find a reason to hate everything... 
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 20, 2020 12:48:34 GMT 10
I liked it, indie-pop was the only genre of music popular during my teens that I actually liked. As what has already been mentioned in this thread though, what worked against the "hipster" subculture in the end was the fact that it had become the culture of the 2010s, not the counter-culture. All of a sudden, you had people (who otherwise never expressed an interest in doing such a thing) suddenly switch to eating gluten-free foods, wear skinny jeans, and purposely go out of their way to liking releases that didn't appear 'mainstream'. That's what ruined it for me.
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Post by #Infinity on May 20, 2020 14:05:22 GMT 10
There are fragments of the hipster subculture that I kind of liked, but as a whole, that movement was the bane of my existence in college. I felt genuinely belittled by its pompous pretense of enlightenment. It presented itself as diverse, accepting, and individualistic, but from my perspective, it was anything but that. I certainly wasn't ever welcomed for being my shy, eurobeat-loving self; I instead felt stupid and ignored.
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Post by slashpop on May 20, 2020 22:33:43 GMT 10
The only thing of value I see that came out of the hipster style, or that was influenced by it in some way, was really good handmade and more refined fast food, some music and design (fashion, graphic design, etc) innovation, basic 90s type affordable clothing in fashion stores, and at least some promotion of important social topics, open mindedness and 80s nostalgia to be completely fair.
I'm not sure if hipster was an actual movement, an aesthetic or just an evolving style or just a marketing gimmick or all at once.
I think the biggest reason why so many people found it annoying is the way it made culture of the 2010s very samey and less diverse. Pretending to agree to the latest trendy opinions, buying the same tight fitting clothes and growing a beard, almost like cartoonish copy of each other.
It felt a repackaged version of the group-oriented conformist mindset of mid 2000s with a different costume in a way.
I really felt very few people were hipsters in the sense of being eccentric or artistic snobs with an indie rock or semi metrosexual fashion sense. That was more of a 2000s thing.
Personally I never understood why facial hair got so big for so long. It seems better when niche groups do it, it still looks odd to me when 14 year olds are growing full beards and every single person feels the needs to grow facial hair.
I think the 2010s could have used more subcultures imo.
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Post by John Titor on May 21, 2020 2:44:50 GMT 10
The only thing of value I see that came out of the hipster style, or that was influenced by it in some way, was really good handmade and more refined fast food, some music and design (fashion, graphic design, etc) innovation, basic 90s type affordable clothing in fashion stores, and at least some promotion of important social topics, open mindedness and 80s nostalgia to be completely fair. I'm not sure if hipster was an actual movement, an aesthetic or just an evolving style or just a marketing gimmick or all at once. I think the biggest reason why so many people found it annoying is the way it made culture of the 2010s very samey and less diverse. Pretending to agree to the latest trendy opinions, buying the same tight fitting clothes and growing a beard, almost like cartoonish copy of each other. It felt a repackaged version of the group-oriented conformist mindset of mid 2000s with a different costume in a way. I really felt very few people were hipsters in the sense of being eccentric or artistic snobs with an indie rock or semi metrosexual fashion sense. That was more of a 2000s thing. Personally I never understood why facial hair got so big for so long. It seems better when niche groups do it, it still looks odd to me when 14 year olds are growing full beards and every single person feels the needs to grow facial hair. I think the 2010s could have used more subcultures imo. The sub cultures of the 2010s were just as bland as Tofu lmao
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 11:59:21 GMT 10
I liked it, indie-pop was the only genre of music popular during my teens that I actually liked. As what has already been mentioned in this thread though, what worked against the "hipster" subculture in the end was the fact that it had become the culture of the 2010s, not the counter-culture. All of a sudden, you had people (who otherwise never expressed an interest in doing such a thing) suddenly switch to eating gluten-free foods, wear skinny jeans, and purposely go out of their way to liking releases that didn't appear 'mainstream'. That's what ruined it for me. I kind of liked the mainstream move to clean living and the pre-industrial aesthetic it had going; it felt like society was going back to basics and tossing out this consumerism garbage. In my book, if it meant selling out, I was okay with that. I ended up being very wrong about all that, but I still hold out hope. Edit: Just as a disclaimer, I don't believe in the health-related benefits hoo-ha that people attributed to gluten-free foods, but I am a firm believer in returning to home-cooked meals, having those meals cooked by an actual person, moving away from GMOs that are not aimed at improving yields or nutrition, and not pumping our livestock full of antibiotics.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 15:54:48 GMT 10
I loved hipster from A to Z. The best part is I never considered myself a hipster, so you knew I was a real hipster.
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Post by slashpop on May 22, 2020 19:30:35 GMT 10
The only thing of value I see that came out of the hipster style, or that was influenced by it in some way, was really good handmade and more refined fast food, some music and design (fashion, graphic design, etc) innovation, basic 90s type affordable clothing in fashion stores, and at least some promotion of important social topics, open mindedness and 80s nostalgia to be completely fair. I'm not sure if hipster was an actual movement, an aesthetic or just an evolving style or just a marketing gimmick or all at once. I think the biggest reason why so many people found it annoying is the way it made culture of the 2010s very samey and less diverse. Pretending to agree to the latest trendy opinions, buying the same tight fitting clothes and growing a beard, almost like cartoonish copy of each other. It felt a repackaged version of the group-oriented conformist mindset of mid 2000s with a different costume in a way. I really felt very few people were hipsters in the sense of being eccentric or artistic snobs with an indie rock or semi metrosexual fashion sense. That was more of a 2000s thing. Personally I never understood why facial hair got so big for so long. It seems better when niche groups do it, it still looks odd to me when 14 year olds are growing full beards and every single person feels the needs to grow facial hair. I think the 2010s could have used more subcultures imo. The sub cultures of the 2010s were just as bland as Tofu lmao I know, I barely noticed them lol. I still think there were definitely some positives compared to the culture of the mid to late 2000s, even though ironically modern hipster was starting around that time, but yeah, I just wish things were more original in the 2010s in general. Here's an interesting hipster map, a lot of it isn't very accurate, but interesting nontheless:  I would change the early part to: Emo : Too many periods and really not related to hipster. I think that pre myspace emo style started earlier than 2000 and came after the alternative/ weezer style of emo. Emo Redux: 2002/03 ( Mall and skater mixed in) Ashton 2004 (prob mid to late 04) Scenester 2005 (prob early 2005) Twee 2006 or way before. But yeah at least thats a bit closer to latter examples. It is a bit off...whatever, I guess...
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 23, 2020 19:20:32 GMT 10
I liked it, indie-pop was the only genre of music popular during my teens that I actually liked. As what has already been mentioned in this thread though, what worked against the "hipster" subculture in the end was the fact that it had become the culture of the 2010s, not the counter-culture. All of a sudden, you had people (who otherwise never expressed an interest in doing such a thing) suddenly switch to eating gluten-free foods, wear skinny jeans, and purposely go out of their way to liking releases that didn't appear 'mainstream'. That's what ruined it for me. I kind of liked the mainstream move to clean living and the pre-industrial aesthetic it had going; it felt like society was going back to basics and tossing out this consumerism garbage. In my book, if it meant selling out, I was okay with that. I ended up being very wrong about all that, but I still hold out hope. Oh, don't get me wrong, I do agree with the general principal of sustainable living. However, you've got to wonder how much of that was people genuinely choosing to make a conscientious effort to change their habits or just people being trendy for the sake of being trendy. I'd rather people not do so if they are too naive to learn about how those changes are going to benefit their own health and/or the environment. If you're going to switch to eating gluten-free foods or cook more meals at home for example, do so because you want to make a difference to the world, not just because all of your Facebook friends are posting pics about it on their profile pages. The general message is more important than however appealing an aesthetic happens to be, IMO. That just doesn't seem to enter most peoples minds.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 0:59:26 GMT 10
I kind of liked the mainstream move to clean living and the pre-industrial aesthetic it had going; it felt like society was going back to basics and tossing out this consumerism garbage. In my book, if it meant selling out, I was okay with that. I ended up being very wrong about all that, but I still hold out hope. Oh, don't get me wrong, I do agree with the general principal of sustainable living. However, you've got to wonder how much of that was people genuinely choosing to make a conscientious effort to change their habits or just people being trendy for the sake of being trendy. I'd rather people not do so if they are too naive to learn about how those changes are going to benefit their own health and/or the environment. If you're going to switch to eating gluten-free foods or cook more meals at home for example, do so because you want to make a difference to the world, not just because all of your Facebook friends are posting pics about it on their profile pages. The general message is more important than however appealing an aesthetic happens to be, IMO. That just doesn't seem to enter most peoples minds. Interestingly, when I was in college, I came across an academic article from 1970 about exactly this. That is, it compared the sociological contrasts between the actual California hippies, their lifestyle, their anti-war political stances, etc., and middle class teens from around the country who called themselves hippies but mainly just emulated the flower child fashion style and were still wrapped up in middle class American consumerism and other values. I wish I could remember the name of the article, I bet you would all love it for its perspective on the authenticity of pop culture. Unfortunately it was over 10 years ago so I have absolutely no recollection of the title or even the author.
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