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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 4, 2020 23:59:35 GMT 10
I can remember reading a post made by #Infinity once in which she described the period between the end of World War II in 1945 and the dawn of the rock 'n roll era in the mid 1950s as essentially being a decade in its own right, meaning that it was neither 1940s or '50s.
I can't help but feel as though the Late 2010s and Early 2020s will one day be perceived by historians and the greater public in the exact same regard, for a multitude of reasons. November 8, 2016 seems like a harsh cut-off point between the progressive, minimalist 2010s and the far-right, divisive era we are currently living through. In a sense, the world of Late 2016-to-now can be characterised as being a counter-act to everything that the 2010s stood for as a cultural decade. This is the Trump, mumble-rap, COVID-19 era. Whether they end up becoming some of the defining traits of the 2020s cultural identity remains to be seen, however in my mind at least, they're not things that I would associate with the 2010s.
I've come across a few comments from people online who have suggested that the COVID-19 pandemic has brought us into the 2020s cultural zeitgeist, however I personally don't see it that way. COVID-19 aside, we're still living in the same world that we were living through since the election of Donald Trump. This entire period has been defined by social unrest and civil rights movements, from the emergence of the #MeToo movement in 2017, to the Climate change protests last year, to now the #BlackLivesMatter and Hong Kong protests. The world sphere has overwhelmingly been governed by right-wing politics since that time too, due to the inaugurations of Trump, Boris Johnson and Scott Morrison to name a few. Mumble-rap has been the biggest-selling genre on the Top-40 charts throughout the past four years and it is showing no signs of slowing down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 0:55:18 GMT 10
No, each era is its own identity.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 5, 2020 4:15:10 GMT 10
I can remember reading a post made by #Infinity once in which she described the period between the end of World War II in 1945 and the dawn of the rock 'n roll era in the mid 1950s as essentially being a decade in its own right, meaning that it was neither 1940s or '50s. I can't help but feel as though the Late 2010s and Early 2020s will one day be perceived by historians and the greater public in the exact same regard, for a multitude of reasons. November 8, 2016 seems like a harsh cut-off point between the progressive, minimalist 2010s and the far-right, divisive era we are currently living through. In a sense, the world of Late 2016-to-now can be characterised as being a counter-act to everything that the 2010s stood for as a cultural decade. This is the Trump, mumble-rap, COVID-19 era. Whether they end up becoming some of the defining traits of the 2020s cultural identity remains to be seen, however in my mind at least, they're not things that I would associate with the 2010s. I've come across a few comments from people online who have suggested that the COVID-19 pandemic has brought us into the 2020s cultural zeitgeist, however I personally don't see it that way. COVID-19 aside, we're still living in the same world that we were living through since the election of Donald Trump. This entire period has been defined by social unrest and civil rights movements, from the emergence of the #MeToo movement in 2017, to the Climate change protests last year, to now the #BlackLivesMatter and Hong Kong protests. The world sphere has overwhelmingly been governed by right-wing politics since that time too, due to the inaugurations of Trump, Boris Johnson and Scott Morrison to name a few. Mumble-rap has been the biggest-selling genre on the Top-40 charts throughout the past four years and it is showing no signs of slowing down. Honestly I never felt any change in 2016. When looking back I would say spring/summer 2017 is when it felt like we were in a slightly different era mostly due to politics and hot topic social issues and loss of few flashy mid 2010s trends, even though factually things happened in late 2016, to me it didn't feel like strong break. Late 2018 to the start of 2020 (pre cornoa) to me was just toned down version of 2017 with a massive reduction of the last phase of hipster/yuccie style (from 14-17) and stereotypical SJW vs Alt Right cultural impact (from 16 to early 18) and a few other things but essentially a continuation, without enough of anything that resembles a marker of a new and different era or something innovative and asethically very distinct.
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Post by Early2010sGuy on Sept 5, 2020 4:21:56 GMT 10
Winter 2018/19 or Spring 2019 to Today is one era culturally despite the Coronavirus.
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Post by mc98 on Sept 5, 2020 5:44:35 GMT 10
I agree that late 2018 was the start of pure late 2010s culture. I feel like late 2016 - mid 2018 was like a dying period of the core 2010s. I do believe as of right now, we are slowly transitioning to early 20s culture, we will know the more further we go. The US election in November will be the big meat depending on which candidate will win.
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Post by Early2010sGuy on Sept 5, 2020 8:45:29 GMT 10
I agree that late 2018 was the start of pure late 2010s culture. I feel like late 2016 - mid 2018 was like a dying period of the core 2010s. I do believe as of right now, we are slowly transitioning to early 20s culture, we will know the more further we go. The US election in November will be the cherry on top depending on which candidate will win. I think in Late 2020, we will see the first signs of Early 2020s culture and the start of the transition, and we might be deep into Early 2020s culture by Mid/Late 2021. Just like in 2000, you saw the first signs of Early 2000s culture in Late 2000, and the Y2K era was done by Mid 2001.
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Post by John Titor on Sept 5, 2020 8:47:56 GMT 10
Each year of the late 2010s had their own feel
2016 from the Fall had a dark feel
2017 had a balls to the walls anything can happen vibe
2018 had a calm vibe for the most part
2019 had an off vibe not dark but not quiet it was just off
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Post by #Infinity on Sept 5, 2020 9:46:21 GMT 10
The onset of COVID-19 is way too much of a dramatic shift for the early '20s to be truly comparable to the late '10s. Plus, if Biden defeats Trump, the political climate of the rest of the early '20s will be very different.
It's still far too early to tell, anyway.
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Post by rainbow on Sept 5, 2020 9:49:29 GMT 10
I think if Biden wins then 2017-2020 will be looked at as one big era. Just about everything we're experiencing right now has been an issue at some point during the mid-late 2010's as well. (Black Lives Matter, police brutality, lots of social unrest) I think people will look back on this era as the Trump era.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 12:27:38 GMT 10
No. Life ended in March 2020. Everything since then is a new, dark, dystopian nightmare.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 5, 2020 23:23:46 GMT 10
The onset of COVID-19 is way too much of a dramatic shift for the early '20s to be truly comparable to the late '10s. Plus, if Biden defeats Trump, the political climate of the rest of the early '20s will be very different. It's still far too early to tell, anyway. I personally don't think a shift away from right-wing governments in office will be enough to curtail the level of social turmoil that has defined the past four years. We're living through something of a social revolution at the moment and the tensions that do exist currently are too deep-rooted for them to simply be pushed aside depending on an election result. After all, the #BlackLivesMatter protests are in direct response to police brutality and the inequality people of colour have had to experience for centuries. It isn't going to go away until change occurs at a societal level. Also, the next Australian and UK elections aren't scheduled to be held until 2022 and May 2024 respectively, so even if Biden were to win the election this November, the political climate of the Western world won't be completely rid of right-wing ideologies for quite some time yet. I do agree that it is still too early to make a judgement call on all this, however it is interesting to think about how this era will be remembered. The Late 2010s and Early 2020s will essentially be the "wartime" for the generation of people who are alive today. They will be looked back on by historians in many years to come as being a dark period of time in our history. Honestly, I see the onset of COVID-19 as being the pinnacle of the social unrest, extremism and divisiveness of recent times, even if the pandemic has dramatically changed life from what it was even just twelve months ago. The pandemic basically sums up and defines the period from November 8, 2016-to-now in a nutshell.
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Post by Telso on Sept 6, 2020 0:24:12 GMT 10
(Black Lives Matter, police brutality, lots of social unrest). All of those problems are rooted in deep societal problems that existed way before the mid-2010s. Claiming that those only appeared out of a sudden is missing the point and having a narrow view on things. I also disagree that 2020 will easily be lumped with the late 2010s. The pandemic has been far too impactful on people's lives regardless of politics or non-sequential things like TikTok or trap still being huge, the "pre-pandemic/post-pandemic eras" will the far more likely denominations that will be used in the future.
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Post by rainbow on Sept 6, 2020 1:02:40 GMT 10
(Black Lives Matter, police brutality, lots of social unrest). All of those problems are rooted in deep societal problems that existed way before the mid-2010s. Claiming that those only appeared out of a sudden is missing the point and having a narrow view on things. I also disagree that 2020 will easily be lumped with the late 2010s. The pandemic has been far too impactful on people's lives regardless of politics or non-sequential things like TikTok or trap still being huge, the "pre-pandemic/post-pandemic eras" will the far more likely denominations that will be used in the future. ...That’s literally the opposite of what I claimed but ok lol. What I’m trying to say is that this level of turmoil you’re seeing with Black Lives Matter protests and police brutality was already a big issue by the time the mid 2010’s arrived. It’s nothing new and it doesn’t mark any cultural shift. And I disagree that 2020 won’t be lumped in with the late 2010’s in the future. I think way too many people have a hard time looking at the smaller picture. The late 2010’s were politically just as divisive as today. 2020 is just the ultimate peak of the turmoil that started by the time Trump was elected. And if anything, I believe coronavirus will mark the ultimate peak of that era.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 1:26:20 GMT 10
(Black Lives Matter, police brutality, lots of social unrest). All of those problems are rooted in deep societal problems that existed way before the mid-2010s. Claiming that those only appeared out of a sudden is missing the point and having a narrow view on things. I also disagree that 2020 will easily be lumped with the late 2010s. The pandemic has been far too impactful on people's lives regardless of politics or non-sequential things like TikTok or trap still being huge, the "pre-pandemic/post-pandemic eras" will the far more likely denominations that will be used in the future. There's also the issue of the economy. After the pandemic is over, I think the economic crisis will be a major issue that will define most of this decade. Now through about 2023-4 will be especially bad but many economists think we'll have to get into the 2030s before things get back to where they were in 2019. And there's still the question of whether the U.S. will survive the 2020 election. Half the country wants to overthrow democracy to set up a fascist theocracy.
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Post by Early2010sGuy on Sept 6, 2020 1:57:57 GMT 10
Once again, 2020 is 95% the same as 2019 Culturally, though I'd agree that politics have been in the news about Trump vs Biden as well as the coronavirus public concerns. As for the economy, well you know the answer.
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