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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 5, 2020 16:12:16 GMT 10
This is something that I have been thinking about over the course of this year. 2020 gives me a huge sense of déjà vu. Obviously the onset of COVID-19 has been unprecedented, but in other ways, the overall timeline of this year and dare I say it, the general "feel" of it, reminds me so much of 2008. Both years brought about a lot of societal change, despite culturally being apart of the same era as the years that proceeded them. In the case of 2008, it was the greater recognition of climate change (eg. Earth Hour, WALL-E) and acceptance of people from minority groups. With 2020, it has been the impacts brought on by the onset of COVID-19 and the global unity in trying to move on from the pandemic as a society. Both years are heavily defined by being transitional in the societal and political sense.
I really do feel as though they are two sides of the one coin. It's as if 2020 is the conservative, polarised, right-wing orientated version of 2008. In 2008, you had world leaders openly speaking about their intent in reducing carbon emissions by 2020. In 2020 itself, leaders of the western world such as Donald Trump and Scott Morrison are climate-change deniers, despite the 2019/20 Black Summer and the Califronian wildfires. Twelve years ago, social media was just starting to be adopted by the general population (not just teens) due to the rise of Facebook. Now in 2020, we're using social media more than we ever have, due to the COVID-19 lockdowns and the fact that we've been having to communicate with each other from home.
The overall aesthetics and trends between the two years couldn't be more different of course, but even then, I think you could pinpoint a few similarities between the two. Music wise, they both have a feeling of staleness to them. Both years are running off the fumes of the genres and styles which were more popular in previous years. With 2008, it was post-grunge, '00s r&b and emo, all of which were still culturally relevant in 2008, but were clearly starting to have ran their course. Likewise, as is the case of 2020, Trap has been defining the mainstream music scene for close to four years now and has quite evidently passed it's peak in popularity, despite it still charting quite highly on the Top-40 charts. Otherwise, 2020 has essentially only been defined by a revival of '80s-style synthpop, which again, is a style of music that has seen better days.
A lot of this is just me rambling, but I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this!
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Post by John Titor on Nov 5, 2020 16:34:22 GMT 10
This is something that I have been thinking about over the course of this year. 2020 gives me a huge sense of déjà vu. Obviously the onset of COVID-19 has been unprecedented, but in other ways, the overall timeline of this year and dare I say it, the general "feel" of it, reminds me so much of 2008. Both years brought about a lot of societal change, despite culturally being apart of the same era as the years that proceeded them. In the case of 2008, it was the greater recognition of climate change (eg. Earth Hour, WALL-E) and acceptance of people from minority groups. With 2020, it has been the impacts brought on by the onset of COVID-19 and the global unity in trying to move on from the pandemic as a society. Both years are heavily defined by being transitional in the societal and political sense. I really do feel as though they are two sides of the one coin. It's as if 2020 is the conservative, polarised, right-wing orientated version of 2008. In 2008, you had world leaders openly speaking about their intent in reducing carbon emissions by 2020. In 2020 itself, leaders of the western world such as Donald Trump and Scott Morrison are climate-change deniers, despite the 2019/20 Black Summer and the Califronian wildfires. Twelve years ago, social media was just starting to be adopted by the general population (not just teens) due to the rise of Facebook. Now in 2020, we're using social media more than we ever have, due to the COVID-19 lockdowns and the fact that we've been having to communicate with each other from home. The overall aesthetics and trends between the two years couldn't be more different of course, but even then, I think you could pinpoint a few similarities between the two. Music wise, they both have a feeling of staleness to them. Both years are running off the fumes of the genres and styles which were more popular in previous years. With 2008, it was post-grunge, '00s r&b and emo, all of which were still culturally relevant in 2008, but were clearly starting to have ran their course. Likewise, as is the case of 2020, Trap has been defining the mainstream music scene for close to four years now and has quite evidently passed it's peak in popularity, despite it still charting quite highly on the Top-40 charts. Otherwise, 2020 has essentially only been defined by a revival of '80s-style synthpop, which again, is a style of music that has seen better days. A lot of this is just me rambling, but I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this! its a mix of 2001 and 2008 mostly 2008 tho But yeah it does have that 2008 long in the tooth...............OH WAIT A HUGE CHANGE IS HAPPENING vibe
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 16:39:01 GMT 10
After surviving 2008 2020 I feel like I'm ready for any year that comes way.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 5, 2020 16:40:29 GMT 10
2001 - 9/11, new video game systems
2008 - electropop, Obama. Economy explodes
2020 ^ a mix with ps5/X Biden, Covid 19 (even bigger then 9/11)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 2:25:25 GMT 10
You are certainly on to something, especially with the political dimension. I dread what the rest of the decade has in store for us, unless it entails a mirror image of 2016.
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Post by Telso on Nov 6, 2020 23:06:03 GMT 10
The only comparable thing between these two years is that precedent economical enthusiasm and prosperity came to a crushing halt both in September 2008 and March 2020.
Otherwise, the extremely abrasive political and social climate of today would have seen more something abt for an apocalyptic movie rather than reality in the eyes of 2008.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 23:26:05 GMT 10
For me, yes.
2008 was a very stressful year for me due to current events, politics, climate, gas prices, the economy, etc. Much of that stress was fear of what might happen. However, in 2008, the worst did not happen and things didn't turn out near as dire as they could have.
In 2008 I was still an evangelical Christian concerned about the moral decline of society, God's coming judgment, and the fact America was fast becoming a progressive and secular nation that would not be pleasing to God. In 2020 I'm atheist but the country has been taken over by extremist fundamentalist Christians like I was in 2008, and if you aren't a white heterosexual born-again Christian who believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible, you don't matter. Nobody in 2008 would have believed that this would be possible. During the first half of the 2010s people thought the Christian Right was a has-been force and that the future was more secular and more progressive.
In 2008 I was closeted but still young, in my early twenties. I had time and I knew it back then, but I was worried that I would end up wasting my life away trying to please my parents because I didn't have what it took to stand up to them. In 2020, that reality I feared is what turned out, and now I'm not young anymore and changing my situation won't be easy if possible at all.
The 2020 economic crash is what 2008 would have been without the bank bailouts and then some. This is the big crash that doomers have been talking about my entire life. Think about last year...people going to restaurants, movies, concerts. Bustling and vibrant urban districts in America's cities. Were literally 10-15 years, at best, from getting back to that. This is the second Great Depression. When shit was hitting the fan in 2008 everyone thought that was the big one, but it wasn't. 2020 is.
2020 has been everything that I feared 2008 would be. 2020, to me, feels like the "worst nightmare" that all my fears and intuitions have prepared me for. I look back at 2008 as a warning sign for what was to come, and I didn't heed the warning.
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Post by sman12 on Nov 7, 2020 19:43:22 GMT 10
I see some parallels. Both years have themes of Democratic repudiation of then-current/current Republican presidents and their policies, and they have world-shifting events that have long-lasting repercussions (COVID-19 and the Great Recession). But 2020's way more tumultuous than 2008, and the musical scenes couldn't be any more different. Trap is still as popular as it was around 4-5 years ago. By late 2008, electropop was starting to get more popular with the rise of Lady Gaga, Rihanna's "Disturbia" , etc. I mean, there is 80s-styled synthpop, as you said, but I'm not sure if the genre revival will stick around for long.
EDIT: And popular music in 2008 was mostly driven by digital sales and radio play, while in 2020, it's mostly driven by streaming numbers and TikTok exposure.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 7, 2020 19:54:16 GMT 10
I see some parallels. Both years have themes of Democratic repudiation of then-current/current Republican presidents and their policies, and they have world-shifting events that have long-lasting repercussions (COVID-19 and the Great Recession). But 2020's way more tumultuous than 2008, and the musical scens couldn't be any more different. Trap is still as popular as it was around 4-5 years ago. By late 2008, electropop was starting to get more popular with the rise of Lady Gaga, Rihanna's "Disturbia" , etc. I mean, there is 80s-styled synthpop, as you said, but I'm not sure if the genre revival will stick around for long. I agree that the music from both years couldn't be any more different, but I think the similarity between them actually comes down to how both years can be defined as having being the "final years" of long-lasting eras in music. By 2008, emo, post-grunge and '00s r&b were still charting highly and regularly on the charts, but it was clear that their peak in popularity had long since passed them. I feel as though the same comparison could be made with the music of today. We've been in the same era for music since at least Late 2016, and while Trap may still be charting within the Top-10 on the charts, I would say it's starting to get pretty long in the tooth. I think mumble-rap artists are starting to realise this themselves by incorporating lighter themes (eg. "Lemondade") or guitar chords (eg. "Mood") in their songs, just to try and change things up a bit. In fact, the exact same thing happened to emo back in 2008, as it began to incorporate synths/lighter themes in its songs (eg. "Shake It" by Metro Station) and that ultimately led to the emergence of scene.
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Post by y2kbaby on Nov 8, 2020 4:20:27 GMT 10
I definitely see it. Obama a Democratic candidate won in 2008. Now Biden a Democratic won in 2020. 2008 and 2020 are basically twins.
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Post by rainbow on Nov 8, 2020 4:47:36 GMT 10
2008 and 2020 are basically twins. That’s an overstatement
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Post by y2kbaby on Nov 8, 2020 4:55:15 GMT 10
2008 and 2020 are basically twins. That’s an overstatement I know but still.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 9, 2020 3:56:40 GMT 10
I definitely see it. Obama a Democratic candidate won in 2008. Now Biden a Democratic won in 2020. 2008 and 2020 are basically twins. stretch lol
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Post by Early2010sGuy on Nov 9, 2020 4:11:20 GMT 10
I definitely see it. Obama a Democratic candidate won in 2008. Now Biden a Democratic won in 2020. 2008 and 2020 are basically twins. With the exception of Covid-19 and deeper recession
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Post by John Titor on Nov 9, 2020 4:34:59 GMT 10
I definitely see it. Obama a Democratic candidate won in 2008. Now Biden a Democratic won in 2020. 2008 and 2020 are basically twins. With the exception of Covid-19 and deeper recession I said it here before 2020 has elements of 2001 and 2008 for reference 2001 - 9/11 life changing event , New video game systems at end of year, small recession 2008 - New President, BIG Recession 2020 has all of these things (with Covid-19 being a more jakked up 9/11)
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