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Post by slashpop on Nov 22, 2020 21:29:34 GMT 10
Yeah I think this era started In mid to late 2015 pop culturally.I don’t think Trump being elected made much of difference and the more I think about it most things in late 2016 were not enough of marker alone or foreign to the world of 2015-2016, you could feel that late 2016 vibe in spring 2016 and even late 2015 to some extent. I think the second half of 2015 marked the end of the first wave of mid 2010s and was transitioning after. Outside of early to mid 2017 solidifying some changes and offering a few different things, I think late 2018-2019 as the second proper minor shift, just on basis of a significantly less amount of flashier mid 2010s holdovers and 2016-2017 culture and hot topics loosing steam, and feeling just slightly more separated, even if it’s not too much, especially most of 2019. Then again it’s fair to say it’s within the same universe. Modern era: Summer/Fall of 2015 to the start of 2017: Transitional phase Spring of 2017 to Summer 2018 : Identity solidified Late 2018 - 2019 : Pure Late 2010s Rest of 2019 to present: Just more fading and stagnantion + COVID later on with new president and some hints of a new era. I agree. 2017 felt like June 2015-2016 2 me. Sure Trump got elected in late 2016 & was inaugurated in early 2017, but that didn’t change culture much. It may have brought some new culture, but overall June 2015-2017 / early-mid 2018 felt similar. I consider late 2018-2019 peak late 2010s. Funny how that lines up with my life. I’ve felt a sense of 2010s culture stagnating since 2019 with a bunch of 2010s franchises ending that year, yet nothing coming 2 take it’s spot that would go on 2 define the early 2020s. Yeah there really is no difference. Espically spring summer and fall 2016 felt the same. The SJW vs Alt right was there, Trump running was there, the music, fashion, vibe was the exact same to me. The only different was trump being elected and more headlines and articles about left and right poltical divide and some influence in entertainment related to it, by the tail end of 2016, that wasn't enough to change the nature of pop culture at all. You started to feel that ripple effect more so in early to mid 2017 imo, then again it wasn't as sub era defining even then as its made out to be. Remember Ghostbusters and the backlash and divide it got in mid 2016, it was released in july? Thats one small example. Then Mad Max a year earlier, the trend of forced cookie cutter feminism in films furing 15-17 fits the timeline as well. The hype around the first few star Wars films franchise fits it as well. Even the peak of fashion things like manbuns, way more undercuts, and excessive tattoes and more visible elements of subdued early and mid 2010s fashion mixed in. Music seems pretty similar, tech as well. Once you get to 2018-2020 your iphone or laptop from 2015-2017 is dated or getting there. It really didn't feel any different when Trump got elected. 2015-2016 was the very year to kind of feel different from the mid 2010s culture of late 2012 or mid 2013 to early or first half of 2015. I say late 2012 because it so close and in many cases literally identical to the damn mid 2010s that it deserves to be lumped with it. I was in London in summer 2013. It was super dupper mid 2010s by then. It not like there was a big difference between summer 2013 and fall 2013.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 22, 2020 22:28:27 GMT 10
Yeah there really is no difference. Espically spring summer and fall 2016 felt the same. The SJW vs Alt right was there, Trump running was there, the music, fashion, vibe was the exact same to me. The only different was trump being elected and more headlines and articles about left and right poltical divide and some influence in entertainment related to it, by the tail end of 2016, that wasn't enough to change the nature of pop culture at all. You started to feel that ripple effect more so in early to mid 2017 imo, then again it wasn't as sub era defining even then as its made out to be. Remember Ghostbusters and the backlash and divide it got in mid 2016, it was released in july? Thats one small example. Then Mad Max a year earlier, the trend of forced cookie cutter feminism in films furing 15-17 fits the timeline as well. The hype around the first few star Wars films franchise fits it as well. Even the peak of fashion things like manbuns, way more undercuts, and excessive tattoes and more visible elements of subdued early and mid 2010s fashion mixed in. Music seems pretty similar, tech as well. Once you get to 2018-2020 your iphone or laptop from 2015-2017 is dated or getting there. It really didn't feel any different when Trump got elected. 2015-2016 was the very year to kind of feel different from the mid 2010s culture of late 2012 or mid 2013 to early or first half of 2015. I say late 2012 because it so close and in many cases literally identical to the damn mid 2010s that it deserves to be lumped with it. I was in London in summer 2013. It was super dupper mid 2010s by then. It not like there was a big difference between summer 2013 and fall 2013. Yes. It’s kind of like how people act like 9/11 completely changed pop culture over night when it didn’t. I remember political correctness, SJW’s vs Alt right, cancel culture getting big by late 2014 or 2015, arguably 2012 or 2013. Pop culture didn’t deviate from the norm then & still hasn’t. No wonder y late 2010s culture or 2010s culture in general feels stale. Yeah I remember that backlash against Ghostbusters which came out in July 2016. You’re right. Late 2012 seems like a turning point. Wow London seemed or seems 2 be ahead of US. I don’t remember the alt right, cancel culture etc from late 2012 to early 2015 being the highlight, it was too small to be part of this wave, with just a bit coming up in 2014/2015. What I’m saying is late 2012 or mid 2013 to early 2015 or first half ( the mid 2010s) is a bit different than mid 2015 to the start of 2017, which is more of transition. I remember cancel culture etc increasingly defining mid 2015 to the start of 2017.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 23, 2020 0:39:15 GMT 10
Yeah there really is no difference. Espically spring summer and fall 2016 felt the same. The SJW vs Alt right was there, Trump running was there, the music, fashion, vibe was the exact same to me. The only different was trump being elected and more headlines and articles about left and right poltical divide and some influence in entertainment related to it, by the tail end of 2016, that wasn't enough to change the nature of pop culture at all. You started to feel that ripple effect more so in early to mid 2017 imo, then again it wasn't as sub era defining even then as its made out to be. Remember Ghostbusters and the backlash and divide it got in mid 2016, it was released in july? Thats one small example. Then Mad Max a year earlier, the trend of forced cookie cutter feminism in films furing 15-17 fits the timeline as well. The hype around the first few star Wars films franchise fits it as well. Even the peak of fashion things like manbuns, way more undercuts, and excessive tattoes and more visible elements of subdued early and mid 2010s fashion mixed in. Music seems pretty similar, tech as well. Once you get to 2018-2020 your iphone or laptop from 2015-2017 is dated or getting there. It really didn't feel any different when Trump got elected. 2015-2016 was the very year to kind of feel different from the mid 2010s culture of late 2012 or mid 2013 to early or first half of 2015. I say late 2012 because it so close and in many cases literally identical to the damn mid 2010s that it deserves to be lumped with it. I was in London in summer 2013. It was super dupper mid 2010s by then. It not like there was a big difference between summer 2013 and fall 2013. Late 2012 is not the start of the mid 2010s. Sure, it’s not as pure early 2010s as before but the mid 2010s didn’t have a solid identity. Mid 2013 was when mid 2010s identify was clear. Late 2012 had more early 2010s stuff than mid. Never said its mid I just feel it deserves to be lumped with mid. It’s way too impure to be side by side with spring 2010 to mid 2012, we were literally months away from offical mid 2010s Plus the atmosphere was so getting really really close to mid and overlaps in many ways. The vibe was leaning to mid despite being early.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 23, 2020 1:14:02 GMT 10
Never said its mid I just feel it deserves to be lumped with mid. It’s way too impure to be side by side with spring 2010 to mid 2012, we were literally months away from offical mid 2010s Plus the atmosphere was so getting really really close to mid and overlaps in many ways. The vibe was leaning to mid despite being early. But many mid 2010s things weren’t established yet in late 2012. Vine app didn’t exist in late 2012, it wasn’t until Jan. 2013 it was released to the public and gained popularity in mid 2013. Music was mostly in the early 2010s despite being watered down, electropop was on its last legs. A lot of the hipster stuff in this period were already there in late 2011/early 2012, just a bit more established. A lot of hipster stuff was in full swing by 2010 tbh. Still overall vibe was closer and closer to mid to late 2013 and transitioning very quickly. You could feel we were onto something new by November 2012- March 2013 even if you couldn’t describe it. Youtube was changing and becoming more corporate , smart phones were becoming more the standard, hipster fonts, graphics, influence and fashion were leaning a bit closer to 2013-2014 and becoming more felt compared to 09-11/12. You also had the launch of the Wii U. 2000s influence was almost totally dead. Also many mid 2010s things have a timeline that starts with 2012/2013, it’s hard to just brush it off even if it’s still not officially mid 2010s yet
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Post by slashpop on Nov 23, 2020 2:33:15 GMT 10
A lot of hipster stuff was in full swing by 2010 tbh. Still overall vibe was closer and closer to mid to late 2013 and transitioning very quickly. You could feel we were onto something new by November 2012- March 2013 even if you couldn’t describe it. Youtube was changing and becoming more corporate , smart phones were becoming more the standard, hipster fonts, graphics, influence and fashion were leaning a bit closer to 2013-2014 and becoming more felt compared to 09-11/12. You also had the launch of the Wii U. 2000s influence was almost totally dead. Also many mid 2010s things have a timeline that starts with 2012/2013, it’s hard to just brush it off even if it’s still not officially mid 2010s yet Anyways, I feel like late 2015-first half of 2017 is starting to have a dated look. Sure, it’s not worlds away, but you can look at it from today’s perspective and say “Yep, that was a different time.” The man buns and side swept undercuts on men are not seen a lot right now. Dancehall/tropical house was also a popular genre then and its insignificant now. Late 2017-mid 2018 felt like a mix of dated and recent. Yes I full agree. I just think mid to late 15 to early 17 is the start of the modern era we are in even if it’s dated and not the same. It’s still within the greater era.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 23, 2020 6:04:14 GMT 10
Yes I full agree. I just think mid to late 15 to early 17 is the start of the modern era we are in even if it’s dated and not the same. It’s still within the greater era. I think Late 2015 - early 2017 will be considered mid 2010s pt. 2 by many in the future .Also, can we just agree that late 2012/early 2013 wasn't strongly early or mid; the period can lean either way. Late 2015 to early 2017 essentially was transitional. Part 2 is fine. But it’s in between mid and late essentially in my opinion. mid 2013- mid or early 2015 wasnt leaning late enough at any point, 2014-2015 was a bit but not enough. late 2012 to spring 2013 fundamentally couldn’t be an actual mid 2010s technically but it was like very very close, you can’t deny the overlaps. There would be no mid 2010s without this year, it’s like the root. im tired of it being treated this like golden early 2010s period when it when it was like a beta version of 2013-2014 in an early 2010s world. Literally late 2012 had some real mid 2010s vibes in a non mid 2010s world everyone keeps forgetting or glossing over, enough to sort of alter the vibe by the very end of 2012 and at least feel like things were kind of changing or freshening up by Feb- April 2013. The vibe was a innovation one. Increase of HD, better use adoption of smart phones and more integration of smart technology, high quality camera resolution, sleeker design etc a cleaner and more uniform look whether design or fashion ( which is why the hipster mid 2010s look is a bit more conformist) more use of touch screens/iPads, mass increase of LGBT awareness and other causes, more fetishization of social media, hashtags, and creative use as of social media as marketing or social awareness tool etc These weren’t the primary focus or reaching a turning point in late 2009-mid 2012, even if they were around and to some extent part of early 2010s identity and they wouldn’t come full circle until mid 2013- early 2015 defining the mid era, but you definitely felt them stick out and increase through 2012-2013 compared to earlier.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 23, 2020 13:18:58 GMT 10
Apps were also getting bigger in 2012-2013. They became more necessary thing to get and a buzzword. You started seeing a lot more creative and beneficial ones around this time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 13:39:21 GMT 10
Apps were also getting bigger in 2012-2013. They became more necessary thing to get and a buzzword. You started seeing a lot more creative and beneficial ones around this time. I think it was earlier than that. I remember in 2009 my economics teacher talking about how his wife tracks her period cycle on her iPhone, and also a shoebox I kept from then advertises the Nike running app (you can tell its from 2009 because it says iPhone 3G). The phrase "there's an app for that" was popularized by this point.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 23, 2020 14:05:29 GMT 10
Apps were also getting bigger in 2012-2013. They became more necessary thing to get and a buzzword. You started seeing a lot more creative and beneficial ones around this time. I think it was earlier than that. I remember in 2009 my economics teacher talking about how his wife tracks her period cycle on her iPhone, and also a shoebox I kept from then advertises the Nike running app (you can tell its from 2009 because it says iPhone 3G). The phrase "there's an app for that" was popularized by this point. Yeah of course apps and creative ones were there in 2009 and catching on a bit more in late 2009-2011, especially with gaming, but not enough people had smartphones, used apps, felt obligated to use them and not everyone wanted to create an app for everything, you didn’t have as many choices. I remember working in design and companies all of sudden wanted a lot of their own apps in 12-13 carrying into the mid 2010s. Smartphones started becoming to the thing to get around this time so it helped. In 2012-2013 apps became much more necessary
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Post by mc98 on Nov 24, 2020 1:03:48 GMT 10
I made this thread to move the discussion from another thread because it was off-topic and deleted all my posts related to the discussion there, does the 2012-2013 school year feel more early or mid?
In my opinion, it was the early 2010s but declining and heading towards the mid 2010s. Yes, you could feel something change but it wasn’t very clear where we’re heading. 2012/13 still looks very similar to 2011/12 but it also still looks similar to 2013/14. It’s not mid 2010s enough to feel connected with 2015/16, which 2012/13 looks dated at that point.
Musically, electropop was at its last hurrah. The atmosphere feels like an EDM festival and a coffee shop gig. This was the first full year Instagram was popular but it was a different app then it is in the late 2010s/now. It was before the new look and influencer stuff took over. The rest of social media is a continuation of Facebook and Twitter which became popular before. The Wii U was released yes, but 7th Gen gaming hasn’t begun until PS4 and Xbox One released in fall of 2013.
In conclusion, it wasn’t as strong or “pure” early 2010s as the previous years,but it didn’t have clear mid 2010s stuff that became to be later on.
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Post by Early2010sGuy on Nov 24, 2020 1:42:01 GMT 10
Based on experience, by Spring 2013ish, it leans closer to the Mid 2010s, but I'll explain this one later on if you are ok with that
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Post by mc98 on Nov 24, 2020 1:45:05 GMT 10
Based on experience, by Spring 2013ish, it leans closer to the Mid 2010s, but I'll explain this one later on if you are ok with that Sure, go ahead.
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Post by rainbow on Nov 24, 2020 2:20:17 GMT 10
Based on experience, by Spring 2013ish, it leans closer to the Mid 2010s, but I'll explain this one later on if you are ok with that I disagree. Spring 2013 was still culturally more early 2010’s, even if there were some mid-2010’s influences already coming in. I wouldn’t say it started leaning mid-2010’s until about July/August 2013.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 24, 2020 13:18:50 GMT 10
Early 2010s, I actually think 2013 as a whole was mostly early 2010s still.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 24, 2020 18:21:22 GMT 10
Thanks for creating this topic mc98 , I appreciate it.  I've since moved over the 2012-related posts from the 2020 thread over to this one as well. To get back on topic, I personally consider it to have been the cultural early 2010s. Electropop was still the dominant genre on the charts (though it did start to decline by early 2013), Facebook was the most popular social media site, slang like "YOLO" and "nek minnet" were commonly said etc. While I would agree that it was a transitional period for pop culture as a whole, the second-half of 2012 was unquestionably early 2010s from a cultural point of view and a lot of those trends carried over into early 2013.
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I've since moved over the 2012-related posts from the 2020 thread over to this one as well.