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Post by John Titor on Dec 16, 2020 2:55:11 GMT 10
The early 2000s recession was pretty much done by 2003, you hardly even felt it tho. The most you felt was maybe Summer 2001 and a few weeks after 9/11. Lots of enron F*ckery and the stock markets being down because of 9/11. I forgot we had a recession then until looking back on it last year. If you speed to fall 2003 the economy pretty much stabilized itself for the time being. Good 2 know. I didn't even realize there was a recession in the early 2000s since I was a toddler or in my early childhood during that time. Stores, businesses, malls, restaurants, car dealerships, gas stations, etc were bustling. I remember malls being extremely packed in the early 2000s. Then economy wise 2003 was mid 2000s. I did realize something was up in Summer 2001 but did not know it was because of the recession a mere 19 years later lol There is a book that talks about the Dot Com bubble burst in 2000 and how it caused a slow economy for the majority of mid 2001. 2003 yeah it was a safe bet the economy was back on track.
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Post by astropoug on May 29, 2021 15:40:31 GMT 10
I'd say more like 2003, for a few reasons
- Pre-iPhone, cell phones were still mostly flip phones or sliders. iPods and MP3 players in general were still popular. - Windows XP was the dominant desktop operating system. By 2009, Windows Vista was out for two years and Windows 7 came out at the end of the year. - PS2 was the most popular console of 2006. Most of the best games from that year, like Kingdom Hearts 2, Bully, and Final Fantasy XII were PS2 games. By 2009, it was ALL about PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii. - 2003-era Rappers like 50 Cent and Lil Jon were still relevant in 2006, but by 2009, were completely old hat. - Most of the popular music genres of 2006, such as emo, post-hardcore, and pop punk, were popular (even if less so) in 2003, but completely dead by 2009 - 2003 was when MySpace was born, 2006 was when it peaked, and 2009 is when it died - Toonami was still a thing in 2006, in fact, they were showing Naruto a lot in 2006, but by 2009, they had shut down
IMO 2006 was the last core 2000s year, and the 2006-2007 school year was the last core 2000s school year. By 2007-2008 it was basically the electropop era (or debatably proto-electropop era, but IMO closer to electropop than core 2000s). 2006 still had that punk rock/skater/sixth gen console/iPod vibe.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 3:59:39 GMT 10
I'm going to say 2009, but it was the earliest year that was. The reason I am going with 2009 is because Web 2.0 was really taking off in 2006, while 2003 was still very Web 1.0 or maybe 1.5 at best. Also, if you exclude the electropop, the rest of the music on the charts in 2009 wasn't far off from 2006. 2006 and 2009 were both during the 7th gen era for gaming consoles.
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Post by slashpop on May 31, 2021 4:02:33 GMT 10
Any point in 2009. In no way at all like 2003. Even mid 2005 is closer to 2009.
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Post by mc98 on May 31, 2021 4:23:50 GMT 10
I'm sorry but 2006 was a year before the iPhone came out. That alone makes it closer to 2003. The majority of 2006 was still part of the PS2 and GameCube era, the Xbox 360 was released in November 2005 but it wasn't an overnight success. Pop punk was at it's peak in 2003 and 2006 while 2009 barely had any pop punk.
How is mid-2005 culturally closer to 2009 than 2003? 2005 was just as core 2000s as 2003 was. 2009 was building up towards the early 2010s.
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Post by slashpop on May 31, 2021 4:37:51 GMT 10
I'm sorry but 2006 was a year before the iPhone came out. That alone makes it closer to 2003. The majority of 2006 was still part of the PS2 and GameCube era, the Xbox 360 was released in November 2005 but it wasn't an overnight success. Pop punk was at it's peak in 2003 and 2006 while 2009 barely had any pop punk. How is mid-2005 culturally closer to 2009 than 2003? 2005 was just as core 2000s as 2003 was. 2009 was building up towards the early 2010s. Late 2006 including a chunk of mid 2005 to mid 2006 had overall atmosphere and vibe that was much more connected to 2007-2009 than the 2003 even if there are overlaps with the year and early 2000s holdovers. Even if iPhones weren’t a thing or gaming wasn’t the same line up etc A lot things mid 2005- all of 2006 we’re still ongoing in 2008-2009 and not of similar nature compared to 09-12 and 01-04-early 05
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Post by jaydawg89 on May 31, 2021 14:21:30 GMT 10
2006 is more like 2003. 2003 and 2006 are core 2000s, Bush, 6th generation gaming, pre-iPhone and pre-Great Recession years. PS2’s and flip phones dominated these years. 2003 is classic 2000s and so is most of 2006. PS3 and Twitter debuted in 2006, but they did not make dents until 2007-2009. 2006 is peak Myspace along with fall 2004-2005. Disney Channel enters their golden era in January 2003 with “That’s So Raven” starting. Disney Channel shows cracks in 2006 with Hannah Montana and High School Musical premiering, but 2006 is the tail end of their golden era as classic shows still air that year like Suite Life of Zack and Cody, That’s So Raven, Lilo and Stitch, American Dragon Jake Long and more. WB and many shows associated with the early to mid 2000s like That 70s Show, Bernie Mac, Will and Grace and more end in 2006. Crunk gets popular in 2003 and has some juice left in 2006 before loosing to snap. 50 Cent is somewhat relevant in 2006, but less so than 2003-2005. NuMetal lingers in 2003, but gone by 2006. Emo creeps in 2003 and peaks in 2006. Emo experiences minor backlash in fall 2006, giving way to scene which goes strong in 2009. Rock, rap, R&B are less popular in 2009 than in 2003 and 2006 thanks to the rise of ElectroPop music. ElectroPop music rises in fall 2006 with Timbaland, Nelly Furtado’s “Loose” and Justin Timberlake’s “Sexyback.” 2009 is an Obama, 7th generation gaming and Great Recession year. The iPhone is out for a year or 2 by that point. The App Store makes strides in 2009 after coming out in July 2008, making iPhones more than an iPod, camera and cellphone into one. Myspace is close to their death in 2009. 2009 is not core 2000s or classic 2000s. Out of 2003, 2006 and 2009, 2006 best represents the 2000s. The only aspects that makes 2006 more like 2009 are Web 2.0 era of internet, social media and broadband arguably like today, except we might be in Web 3.0 or transitioning to Web 4.0 with the rollout if 4G internet. YouTube is popular in 2006, but more popular and maybe peaking in 2009. 2003 is pre-social media, Web 1.0 era of internet and dial up like the 1990s. Cellphones are popular and seem like necessities in 2006 than 2003. Texting and cellphone obsessed teenager becomes a thing in 2006. In 2003, they are starting to get popular and or become necessities. Texting is beginning to catch on in 2003. DVD’s are king by the 2nd half of 2003, but movies still release on VHS. People still by and use VHS in 2003. “A History of Violence” is the last movie on VHS in 2006. 5th generation gaming consoles like the PS1 linger in 2003, but are history by 2006. 6th generation gaming consoles like the PS2 linger in 2009, but are history by 2013 or 2014. 2003 has late 1990s influences, disappearing before 2006 hits. 2006 has early 2000s influences, disappearing before 2009 hits. The change from web 1.0 to web 2.0 is probably the biggest difference between 2003 and 2006. I'm just gonna use the same template I did for the "1994 closer to 1988 or 2000" thread. Politically: - Geo-Politics: 2003 - Socially: Tie - Economy: 2003 Technology: - Shopping & Security: Tie - Transportation: Tie - Home Appliances (such as washing machines & microwaves): Tie - Filming & Photography: 2009 - Audio & Radio: 2009 - Television & Video: 2003 - Video Gaming: Tie - Computers & Internet: 2009 - Telecommunication: Tie Pop Culture: - Movies: Tie - TV Shows: 2009 - Fashion: Tie - Music: 2003
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Post by slashpop on May 31, 2021 16:17:58 GMT 10
2006 is more like 2003. 2003 and 2006 are core 2000s, Bush, 6th generation gaming, pre-iPhone and pre-Great Recession years. PS2’s and flip phones dominated these years. 2003 is classic 2000s and so is most of 2006. PS3 and Twitter debuted in 2006, but they did not make dents until 2007-2009. 2006 is peak Myspace along with fall 2004-2005. Disney Channel enters their golden era in January 2003 with “That’s So Raven” starting. Disney Channel shows cracks in 2006 with Hannah Montana and High School Musical premiering, but 2006 is the tail end of their golden era as classic shows still air that year like Suite Life of Zack and Cody, That’s So Raven, Lilo and Stitch, American Dragon Jake Long and more. WB and many shows associated with the early to mid 2000s like That 70s Show, Bernie Mac, Will and Grace and more end in 2006. Crunk gets popular in 2003 and has some juice left in 2006 before loosing to snap. 50 Cent is somewhat relevant in 2006, but less so than 2003-2005. NuMetal lingers in 2003, but gone by 2006. Emo creeps in 2003 and peaks in 2006. Emo experiences minor backlash in fall 2006, giving way to scene which goes strong in 2009. Rock, rap, R&B are less popular in 2009 than in 2003 and 2006 thanks to the rise of ElectroPop music. ElectroPop music rises in fall 2006 with Timbaland, Nelly Furtado’s “Loose” and Justin Timberlake’s “Sexyback.” 2009 is an Obama, 7th generation gaming and Great Recession year. The iPhone is out for a year or 2 by that point. The App Store makes strides in 2009 after coming out in July 2008, making iPhones more than an iPod, camera and cellphone into one. Myspace is close to their death in 2009. 2009 is not core 2000s or classic 2000s. Out of 2003, 2006 and 2009, 2006 best represents the 2000s. The only aspects that makes 2006 more like 2009 are Web 2.0 era of internet, social media and broadband arguably like today, except we might be in Web 3.0 or transitioning to Web 4.0 with the rollout if 4G internet. YouTube is popular in 2006, but more popular and maybe peaking in 2009. 2003 is pre-social media, Web 1.0 era of internet and dial up like the 1990s. Cellphones are popular and seem like necessities in 2006 than 2003. Texting and cellphone obsessed teenager becomes a thing in 2006. In 2003, they are starting to get popular and or become necessities. Texting is beginning to catch on in 2003. DVD’s are king by the 2nd half of 2003, but movies still release on VHS. People still by and use VHS in 2003. “A History of Violence” is the last movie on VHS in 2006. 5th generation gaming consoles like the PS1 linger in 2003, but are history by 2006. 6th generation gaming consoles like the PS2 linger in 2009, but are history by 2013 or 2014. 2003 has late 1990s influences, disappearing before 2006 hits. 2006 has early 2000s influences, disappearing before 2009 hits. The change from web 1.0 to web 2.0 is probably the biggest difference between 2003 and 2006. I'm just gonna use the same template I did for the "1994 closer to 1988 or 2000" thread. Politically: - Geo-Politics: 2003 - Socially: Tie - Economy: 2003 Technology: - Shopping & Security: Tie - Transportation: Tie - Home Appliances (such as washing machines & microwaves): Tie - Filming & Photography: 2009 - Audio & Radio: 2009 - Television & Video: 2003 - Video Gaming: Tie - Computers & Internet: 2009 - Telecommunication: Tie Pop Culture: - Movies: Tie - TV Shows: 2009 - Fashion: Tie - Music: 2003 imo I would say pop culturally including the entirety of 2005-2006: Movies : 2009 100% TV shows and cartoons: 2009 100 % Music: 2009 Video games: 2009 Tech design and trends and common items: 2009 Internet: 2009 Fashion: 80 percent 2009, 20 percent 2003 Liberal influence: 65 percent 2003 and 35 percent 2009 Internet culture: 60 percent 2009 and 40 percent 2003 The cut off point that seperates the early and mid that occured at some point between mid-late 2004-early 2005, depending on how you see, made a lot of 2003 culture dated, dead or just hanging.
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Post by jaydawg89 on May 31, 2021 16:36:51 GMT 10
The change from web 1.0 to web 2.0 is probably the biggest difference between 2003 and 2006. I'm just gonna use the same template I did for the "1994 closer to 1988 or 2000" thread. Politically: - Geo-Politics: 2003 - Socially: Tie - Economy: 2003 Technology: - Shopping & Security: Tie - Transportation: Tie - Home Appliances (such as washing machines & microwaves): Tie - Filming & Photography: 2009 - Audio & Radio: 2009 - Television & Video: 2003 - Video Gaming: Tie - Computers & Internet: 2009 - Telecommunication: Tie Pop Culture: - Movies: Tie - TV Shows: 2009 - Fashion: Tie - Music: 2003 Your chart makes sense. 2006 being a tie between 2003 and 2009 socially makes sense. 2003 is a conservative year. Bush is popular that year and everyone sees him as a hero after 9/11. Many people support the Iraq War in 2003. But by 2006, they oppose it. I think stories of American soldiers being tortured came out around then. 2009 is a liberal year. While 2006 is mostly conservative, liberal backlash against Bush accelerates. Democrats win in the November 2006 election which predates do Obama winning in November 2008. Various 1990s technology survive into and are relevant in 2003, but dead by 2006. Technology introduced in 2003 are around in 2006 and maybe into 2009. 2006 has the last bit of early 2000s fashion and the earliest hipster fashion which came to dominate 2009. 2003 also has plenty of 1990s and early 2000s shows which 2006 and 2009 have almost none of. The OC from 2003 is one of the only shows that lasts into 2009. Other than that 2003 does not have much shows that last into 2009. PS3 comes out in November 2006 which ties 2006 to 2009, but PS2 being relevant in 2006 ties it to 2003. Some cars from 2003 resemble the 1990s, but cars from 2006 and 2009 resemble today. Film photography is almost standard in 2003 despite digital becoming popular, but digital photography takes over and becomes standard by 2006. I pretty much agree with that. The reason why I stated that gaming was a tie is the PC gaming scene in 2006. 2006 was after Steam, Half-Life 2 and World of Warcraft had launched, making PC gaming much closer to 2009. Console gaming was more like 2003 as the PS2 was by far the most dominant gaming console at the time and before the 7th gen game consoles had truly established themselves (with a huge line up of awesome games in 2007).
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 16:54:48 GMT 10
Your chart makes sense. 2006 being a tie between 2003 and 2009 socially makes sense. 2003 is a conservative year. Bush is popular that year and everyone sees him as a hero after 9/11. Many people support the Iraq War in 2003. But by 2006, they oppose it. I think stories of American soldiers being tortured came out around then. 2009 is a liberal year. While 2006 is mostly conservative, liberal backlash against Bush accelerates. Democrats win in the November 2006 election which predates do Obama winning in November 2008. Various 1990s technology survive into and are relevant in 2003, but dead by 2006. Technology introduced in 2003 are around in 2006 and maybe into 2009. 2006 has the last bit of early 2000s fashion and the earliest hipster fashion which came to dominate 2009. 2003 also has plenty of 1990s and early 2000s shows which 2006 and 2009 have almost none of. The OC from 2003 is one of the only shows that lasts into 2009. Other than that 2003 does not have much shows that last into 2009. PS3 comes out in November 2006 which ties 2006 to 2009, but PS2 being relevant in 2006 ties it to 2003. Some cars from 2003 resemble the 1990s, but cars from 2006 and 2009 resemble today. Film photography is almost standard in 2003 despite digital becoming popular, but digital photography takes over and becomes standard by 2006. I pretty much agree with that. The reason why I stated that gaming was a tie is the PC gaming scene in 2006. 2006 was after Steam, Half-Life 2 and World of Warcraft had launched, making PC gaming much closer to 2009. Console gaming was more like 2003 as the PS2 was by far the most dominant gaming console at the time and before the 7th gen game consoles had truly established themselves (with a huge line up of awesome games in 2007). Okay thank you for clarifying and agreeing. I understand where you are coming from now. I never considered PC gaming because I am more of a console gamer. That is cool to know. The PS3 release situation in 2006 is similar to the PS2 release situation in 2000 where classic games for those consoles came out in 2007 and 2001 respectively. I think we are facing a similar situation with the PS5. We might see classics for PS5 in late 2021 since the PS5 came out in late 2020. No surprise 2007 is regarded one of the best years for video games along with 1998, 2001 and 2004.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 1, 2021 2:10:32 GMT 10
The change from web 1.0 to web 2.0 is probably the biggest difference between 2003 and 2006. I'm just gonna use the same template I did for the "1994 closer to 1988 or 2000" thread. Politically: - Geo-Politics: 2003 - Socially: Tie - Economy: 2003 Technology: - Shopping & Security: Tie - Transportation: Tie - Home Appliances (such as washing machines & microwaves): Tie - Filming & Photography: 2009 - Audio & Radio: 2009 - Television & Video: 2003 - Video Gaming: Tie - Computers & Internet: 2009 - Telecommunication: Tie Pop Culture: - Movies: Tie - TV Shows: 2009 - Fashion: Tie - Music: 2003 Your chart makes sense. 2006 being a tie between 2003 and 2009 socially makes sense. 2003 is a conservative year. Bush is popular that year and everyone sees him as a hero after 9/11. Many people support the Iraq War in 2003. But by 2006, they oppose it. I think stories of American soldiers being tortured came out around then. 2009 is a liberal year. While 2006 is mostly conservative, liberal backlash against Bush accelerates. Democrats win in the November 2006 election which predates do Obama winning in November 2008. Various 1990s technology survive into and are relevant in 2003, but dead by 2006. Technology introduced in 2003 are around in 2006 and maybe into 2009. 2006 has the last bit of early 2000s fashion and the earliest hipster fashion which came to dominate 2009. 2003 also has plenty of 1990s and early 2000s shows which 2006 and 2009 have almost none of. The OC from 2003 is one of the only shows that lasts into 2009. Other than that 2003 does not have much shows that last into 2009. PS3 comes out in November 2006 which ties 2006 to 2009, but PS2 being relevant in 2006 ties it to 2003. Some cars from 2003 resemble the 1990s, but cars from 2006 and 2009 resemble today. Film photography is almost standard in 2003 despite digital becoming popular, but digital photography takes over and becomes standard by 2006. The Oc's final episode aired in Feb 2007
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 3:44:00 GMT 10
I'm sorry but 2006 was a year before the iPhone came out. That alone makes it closer to 2003. The majority of 2006 was still part of the PS2 and GameCube era, the Xbox 360 was released in November 2005 but it wasn't an overnight success. Pop punk was at it's peak in 2003 and 2006 while 2009 barely had any pop punk. How is mid-2005 culturally closer to 2009 than 2003? 2005 was just as core 2000s as 2003 was. 2009 was building up towards the early 2010s. The iPhone was a cool toy for geeks in 2007. Apps were limited and the functionality was more similar to PDAs. The real advantage was simply being able to use the real Internet on your phone, as most hybrid smart/dumb phones of the era had that slimmed down web interface that was incompatible with a lot of websites. Smartphones didn't become the standard until the 2010s. You may have still had sixth-gen console(s) in '06 but 7th gen was in full swing by that point. Also, pop punk was in no way at it's peak in 2006. Rock on the radio at that point was mostly post-grunge, with emo rock being the popular alternative. Blink 182-style pop punk was mostly gone at that point, with a few holdover songs like "High School Never Ends" by Bowling for Soup. That wasn't a huge hit though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 3:45:59 GMT 10
I pretty much agree with that. The reason why I stated that gaming was a tie is the PC gaming scene in 2006. 2006 was after Steam, Half-Life 2 and World of Warcraft had launched, making PC gaming much closer to 2009. Console gaming was more like 2003 as the PS2 was by far the most dominant gaming console at the time and before the 7th gen game consoles had truly established themselves (with a huge line up of awesome games in 2007). Okay thank you for clarifying and agreeing. I understand where you are coming from now. I never considered PC gaming because I am more of a console gamer. That is cool to know. The PS3 release situation in 2006 is similar to the PS2 release situation in 2000 where classic games for those consoles came out in 2007 and 2001 respectively. I think we are facing a similar situation with the PS5. We might see classics for PS5 in late 2021 since the PS5 came out in late 2020. No surprise 2007 is regarded one of the best years for video games along with 1998, 2001 and 2004. PC gaming went through a mini dark age from around 2006-07 up until the Skyrim era ca 2011. That was the Crysis era and it was when the stereotype of PC games being insanely difficult and expensive to run was the most true.
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Post by y2kbaby on Jun 1, 2021 4:33:51 GMT 10
2006 has the best of both worlds . The winter/spring 06 leans more towards 2003 (mainly Fall-December 2003). Summer 06 leans neither. The fall-december 06 leans more towards 2009.
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Post by y2kbaby on Jun 1, 2021 6:49:07 GMT 10
The Oc's final episode aired in Feb 2007 I thought it lasted until 2012. 😮 That would be One Tree Hill.
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