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Post by slashpop on Mar 21, 2022 2:25:14 GMT 10
I actually consider animated films of 1994 to be more similar to 1988. Toy Story had yet to come out. Pixar and Dreamworks weren’t making animated movies yet. Traditional animation was king. There wasn’t as much competition as in 2000 in general. Also, many actually consider 1988, rather than 1989, to mark the start of the animation renaissance, as that was when Who Framed Roger Rabbit came out. That movie is from Touchstone, AKA Disney. In the past year I've actually changed my mind on that (I've been watching so many movies in the past year lol). Who Framed Roger Rabbit was a huge hit in 1988 and def changed the direction of animation. 1994 being before Toy Story is a very good point too. 1994 is definitely more 1988 or early 90s in sprit when it comes to be animation and cartoons. I remember TMNT was in its last phase of popularity and double dragon based on the nes the cartoon was still popular in early 1994, it wasn't uncool yet. Biker mice from mars, street sharks were also big huge and still had an early 90s vibe, then again most of 1995 wasn't too different. 1999-2000 feels very different animation movie wise. Animation definately feels different by 1999-2000, the last year in common would by 1997 and 1998 for the most part.
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Post by astropoug on Mar 21, 2022 8:31:48 GMT 10
In the past year I've actually changed my mind on that (I've been watching so many movies in the past year lol). Who Framed Roger Rabbit was a huge hit in 1988 and def changed the direction of animation. 1994 being before Toy Story is a very good point too. 1994 is definitely more 1988 or early 90s in sprit when it comes to be animation and cartoons. I remember TMNT was in its last phase of popularity and double dragon based on the nes the cartoon was still popular in early 1994, it wasn't uncool yet. Biker mice from mars, street sharks were also big huge and still had an early 90s vibe, then again most of 1995 wasn't too different. 1999-2000 feels very different animation movie wise. Animation definately feels different by 1999-2000, the last year in common would by 1997 and 1998 for the most part. It's definitely a case-by-case in the case of TV animation honestly. Some shows that were popular in 1994 really don't feel that different from not just the early 90s, but the 80s. The Double Dragon cartoon and Street Sharks come instantly to mind, as you mentioned. However, there were some cartoons popular in 1994 that were closer to 2000. The biggest example for me would have to be Rocko's Modern Life. That show had Stephen Hillenburg working on it, and you can honestly tell. The writing feels more modern compared to other mid 90s cartoons. Animation aside, it honestly wouldn't feel out of place in the early 2000s (when SpongeBob was in its prime). Also shows like Bobby's World, Rugrats obviously (the latter was still very popular in 2000). In general, cable cartoons in 1994 were closer to 2000 than 1988. Space Ghost Coast to Coast is another example, in fact, that show was directly responsible for spawning adult Swim, and when Toonami first launched in 1997 before they got TOM, they had Moltar. You also had adult animation in 1994 like The Simpsons and Beavis and Butthead. Again, both of these are clearly closer to 2000 than 1988. Beavis and Butthead especially since it would spawn Daria, which was popular in 2000, and shows like South Park when they first came out were compared to Beavis and Butthead. 1994 also saw the premiere of Reboot, the first computer animated TV series. So you can't say 1994 was entirely like 1988 when it had changed so drastically from then. Animation in shows for example was so much better in 1994 than 1988, when limited animation was still the norm. Again, the fact there was a fully CGI animated cartoon in 1994 when in 1988, CGI was still mostly in its tech demo phase. Of course, you did have similarities in regards to the fact that traditional animation was king, whereas in 2000, digital ink and paint was rapidly gaining popularity (though not dominant yet). Still, I can't help but feel that cartoons in 1994 were more boundary-pushing vs. 1988, when toy-based cartoons ruled the airwaves. To be fair, cable TV was nowhere near as dominant in 1994 compared to 2000. The E/I act had yet to be passed. Even still, I think the saturday morning golden age had already ended by 1994. You have to consider things like NBC replacing their cartoon block with TNBC, to capitalize on the success of Saved By The Bell.
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Post by astropoug on Mar 21, 2022 10:30:58 GMT 10
When we're talking about computers and the internet, I'm just gonna say it, 1994 was more like 1988, and decisively too. A lot of people will point out that the Web existed in 1994, and not in 1988, but very few people had the internet in 1994, and even then, it was unbelievably primitive. It was a pre-CSS, pre-JavaScript, pre-Flash world. Most websites in 1994 were just plain text and pictures. With websites like that, you couldn't do most of the things you could do with the internet later on. By 2000 however, things had shifted, DRAMATICALLY. Now, you had things like Napster, WinAmp, RealPlayer, GeoCities, AOL Instant Messenger, Newgrounds, DeviantArt launched that year, I could go on. The advancements made in the internet gave rise to things like digital music, peer-to-peer file sharing, and instant messaging. For fucks sake, you already had 2000s Flash cartoon series like Homestar Runner and Happy Tree Friends already existing in 2000. Nevermind various other Flash games and cartoons. Of course, there were major shifts in this department between 1988 and 1994, but the fact is that in 1994, most people were doing the same things with computers that they had been doing for over a decade. In 2000 however, people were doing all sorts of things that were unthinkable in either one of those years. There's other technological aspects of 1994 that make it closer to 1988. For example, when it came to listening to music and watching movies, both years were about cassettes and CDs for the former, and VHS tapes for the latter. Whilst VHS tapes still dominated home video in 2000, you also had a new challenger that was gaining lots of attention: DVD. It had interactive menus, higher resolution, and you didn't have to rewind it. As for music, whilst CDs were still very popular of course, and were actually at their peak in the Y2K era, you also had, as previously mentioned, the rise of digital music via peer-to-peer platforms like Napster. You also had early MP3 players that were gaining attention in 2000.
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Post by astropoug on Mar 21, 2022 11:00:15 GMT 10
Even though the Wayback Machine doesn't go back to 1994, there actually is a website from that year that is still up: mcom.com. The website for Netscape when they first formed. Bask in how unbelievably primitive it is. Plain text and image files were all there was to most websites back then.
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Post by slashpop on Mar 21, 2022 19:27:55 GMT 10
Politically: - Geo-Politics: 2000 - Socially: Tie - Economy: 1988 Technology: - Shopping & Security: 1988 - Transportation: 2000 - Home Appliances: Tie - Filming & Photography: Tie - Audio & Radio: Tie - Television & Video: Tie - Video Gaming: 1988 - Computers & Internet: 1988 (don't know if I should split this into two). - Telecommunication: 1988 Pop Culture: - Movies: Tie - TV Shows: 1988 - Fashion: 2000 - Music: 2000 Edit: I changed movies to a tie as 1994 did have more CGI such as Jurassic Park and animation was striving with Disney (unlike 1988).I actually consider animated films of 1994 to be more similar to 1988. Toy Story had yet to come out. Pixar and Dreamworks weren’t making animated movies yet. Traditional animation was king. There wasn’t as much competition as in 2000 in general. Also, many actually consider 1988, rather than 1989, to mark the start of the animation renaissance, as that was when Who Framed Roger Rabbit came out. That movie is from Touchstone, AKA Disney. I forget to mention, yeah terms of movie animation, I can't think a single film that would lean 2000, I've watched every big animated movie during that year when they were newly released, 1995 (namely toy story and casper and some effects in waterworld) laid some foundations of but things really started to change across 1997-1999, I remember 1995 and 96 were still mostly similar to earlier. In terms of CGI, there was CGI even in the late 80s and early 90s it just wasn't the same - ex. terminator 2 and the lawnmower man, I don't think 1994 really change much with CGI films that year. I can't think of much in common with 2000 with cartoons, the vast majority of cartoons are closer to 1988 or almost exclusively core 90s. The only ones that could pass in a year like 2000 would be if these carried and weren't canceled in the mid or late 90s; the critic, duckman, batman the animated adventure with ren and stimpy influencing animation of the late 90s/Y2K era but still distinctly 90s. Reboot, rocko's modern life and space ghost are the only two cartoons that bleed eras. Rugrats can almost pass, were doing okay in the Y2K/2000s, but weren't as popular as earlier. Simpsons were past their prime in 2000 and less popular than earlier, even if they were more popular than 1988 when they were shorts, beavis butthead rarely aired as reruns in 2000, and wasn't really that popular in 2000, I would say neither nor for both, they also weren't representative of shows from the period. Doug is something that had some popularity in 2000, a bit later, but as rereuns. Outside of the names I think of 1994 these come to mind, its a mixed bad of almost exclusively core 90s or leaning to 88 : The Tick, Gargoyles, Pink Pather, Sonic the Hedgehog, Animaniacs, Cadillac and Dinosaurs, Mutant League, Mario All-Stars, Tales From The Crypt, Garfield, Mighty Max, Eek The Cat, Bump in The Night, Spiderman, X-men, Wild Cats, Monster Force and Ahhh Real Monsters.
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Post by slashpop on Mar 21, 2022 19:46:50 GMT 10
I really can't dispute this at all. I'd say overall though, 1994 leans slightly towards 1988. 1995 was a big year of change that birthed much of what would come in the late '90s. "Computers & Internet: 1988 (don't know if I should split this into two"Same, I haven't voted yet but, I'm slightly leaning towards 1988 too. 1995 was absolutely a pivotal year, so much came out and there were so many milestones and achievements in the tech world. I would say some monitors by compaq and dell were starting to look 1995-1998ish in 1994 design wise and a few programs were required more advanced sound and graphic cards but for outside most pcs overall lean 1988 or just early to mid 90s in general with windows 3.1 becoming popular from 1993 onwards. To me the internet in terms of still not being mandatory is closer to 1988 and in terms of usenet, BBS still being huge in 1994 is closer to 1988. I can't separate 1994 from 1995-1996 despite a surge in usage/popularity, win 95 and some more internet developments unless you want lump all those years as closer to 1988 than 2000. I think 1991 and 1992, they were mostly text oriented, university/geek/work focused with the first images uploaded to the internet in 1992! They were also centered around more around compuserve and with prodigy. I would say in most respects the internet was closer to 1988 then with 1993 being the transition. With internet what separates 1994 and lumps together to 1995-1997 and to greater "early internet period" is creation and use of netscape navigator mutiple search engines, a decent amount official big name homepages compared to barely much in 92 and 93, personal homepages starting to gain traction, e-mailing was starting to pick up with companies a bit more than earlier, a few big companies getting established, early web banners, AOL getting really popular, WWW sites starting to appear appearing in certain magazines and comic books, with frequent coverage of the internet as the information highway all over the tv and magazines compared to 91-93, image search engines, midi sound files and mp2s even though music mp2 downloading was lesser known in 1994. I started sampling music tracks for the first time in 1996, I downloaded midi files in 1994 and 1995. Also the world's first internet cafes started opened up in 1994. There were barely any videos like this before 94-95 So this is taking into account it wasn't at 1995 levels of usage and awareness and not even close to the innovations of late 90s-2000 I would say the common thread between 1994-1995 and 2000 is belong to web 1.0 had having a lot of shared common trends (personal homepages, web page styles and basic layout and connections based on the above traits) despite lots of internet changes around 1997-2000, with a surge in mainstream household use and popularity and other advanced things around then that never existed prior. I remember browsing the internet a number of times in 1994 looking up mortal combat cheat codes, checking out random websites, among other things I remember checking out a Simpsons fan site and searching for titles of goosebumps books. I playing doom 2 multiplayer in 1994 on my brother's pc and using AOL a few times. Almost all games ran on dos in 1992-1996, I remember certain games would only on dos even after we got windows 95 and would cause trouble. Dos is something people paint as ancient or impossible but even as kids it something you were forced to learn to run games, you would have to manually enter commands to enter windows 3.1 when we got it, it was easier to install programs and games, type school reports. Did you also use dos back in the day? I feel like everyone forgot it about. I still have my yellowed 486 that were all bought in 1993 running with all my floppy games like secret of monkey island, gabriel knight and commander keen invasion of vorticons. I kept them in the big boxes lol.
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Post by astropoug on Mar 22, 2022 5:03:25 GMT 10
"Computers & Internet: 1988 (don't know if I should split this into two"Same, I haven't voted yet but, I'm slightly leaning towards 1988 too. 1995 was absolutely a pivotal year, so much came out and there were so many milestones and achievements in the tech world. I would say some monitors by compaq and dell were starting to look 1995-1998ish in 1994 design wise and a few programs were required more advanced sound and graphic cards but for outside most pcs overall lean 1988 or just early to mid 90s in general with windows 3.1 becoming popular from 1993 onwards. To me the internet in terms of still not being mandatory is closer to 1988 and in terms of usenet, BBS still being huge in 1994 is closer to 1988. I can't separate 1994 from 1995-1996 despite a surge in usage/popularity, win 95 and some more internet developments unless you want lump all those years as closer to 1988 than 2000. I think 1991 and 1992, they were mostly text oriented, university/geek/work focused with the first images uploaded to the internet in 1992! They were also centered around more around compuserve and with prodigy. I would say in most respects the internet was closer to 1988 then with 1993 being the transition. With internet what separates 1994 and lumps together to 1995-1997 and to greater "early internet period" is creation and use of netscape navigator mutiple search engines, a decent amount official big name homepages compared to barely much in 92 and 93, personal homepages starting to gain traction, e-mailing was starting to pick up with companies a bit more than earlier, a few big companies getting established, early web banners, AOL getting really popular, WWW sites starting to appear appearing in certain magazines and comic books, with frequent coverage of the internet as the information highway all over the tv and magazines compared to 91-93, image search engines, midi sound files and mp2s even though music mp2 downloading was lesser known in 1994. I started sampling music tracks for the first time in 1996, I downloaded midi files in 1994 and 1995. Also the world's first internet cafes started opened up in 1994. There were barely any videos like this before 94-95 So this is taking into account it wasn't at 1995 levels of usage and awareness and not even close to the innovations of late 90s-2000 I would say the common thread between 1994-1995 and 2000 is belong to web 1.0 had having a lot of shared common trends (personal homepages, web page styles and basic layout and connections based on the above traits) despite lots of internet changes around 1997-2000, with a surge in mainstream household use and popularity and other advanced things around then that never existed prior. I remember browsing the internet a number of times in 1994 looking up mortal combat cheat codes, checking out random websites, among other things I remember checking out a Simpsons fan site and searching for titles of goosebumps books. I playing doom 2 multiplayer in 1994 on my brother's pc and using AOL a few times. Almost all games ran on dos in 1992-1996, I remember certain games would only on dos even after we got windows 95 and would cause trouble. Dos is something people paint as ancient or impossible but even as kids it something you were forced to learn to run games, you would have to manually enter commands to enter windows 3.1 when we got it, it was easier to install programs and games, type school reports. Did you also use dos back in the day? I feel like everyone forgot it about. I still have my yellowed 486 that were all bought in 1993 running with all my floppy games like secret of monkey island, gabriel knight and commander keen invasion of vorticons. I kept them in the big boxes lol. Wow, I actually completely agree with you on this. Since the Web did exist in 1994 vs 1988, it can be argued to be more similar to 2000 in this regard. However keep in mind the Web was still basic. It's nice to get input from somebody who actually used the internet in 1994. Most people didn't, with the perception being that the internet was still mostly a platform for geeks and early adopters, vs 2000 when everybody and their mother had an internet connection. Whilst websites in 1994 were absolutely and certainly more advanced than 1991 or even 1992, you'll still find the bulk of websites in 1994 were similar to the mcom website I posted earlier. Absolutely nothing fancy, just plain text and images is what defined websites in 1994. It was a pre-CSS, pre-JavaScript, and pre-Flash world after all. The internet was certainly more advanced than 1988, but also way more primitive than 2000. What really makes it more similar to 1988 for me, at least in my opinion, was that, and this is my personal view on this, the internet was not really an integrated inseperable part of mainstream culture. Like, for example, there weren't really any movies were people went and used the internet. In 2000 on the other hand, it was absolutely everywhere, and everybody, from rappers to bands to TV networks to video game companies, ALL OF THEM wanted to create a website. You definitely notice the shift if you look at logos and bumpers from 1994 compared to 2000. Many logos in 2000 had the website URL in them, which was never seen in 1994. You also had many bumpers on Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network telling you to go online for various things. Again, this was never seen in 1994. You can definitely see connections between the Web of 1994 and 2000. This was when companies like Amazon and Yahoo were established for example. But even then, neither one of those companies would have any real impact until 2000. IMO, I'd still classify 1994 era internet as geek-focused. By 2000, it had become everybody-focused. The other major difference between 1994 and 2000, I would argue, was web culture. Put bluntly, 1994 did not have any web culture of any kind. That Simpsons fansite you brought up is about as close as it would've gotten, but you didn't really see fanfiction or fanart or web series in 1994. By 2000, all of these things were very much a thing. In 2000, you had websites like fanfiction.net and DeviantArt that were already out (in fact the latter launched in 2000). You did have a couple web comics in 1994 but nothing like 2000. You already had web comics that would define the 2000s like Penny Arcade. You also had Flash games as I previously mentioned. Pico is a noteworthy example, having come out in 1999. The fact you mention DOS I would say links 1994 with 1988. In general, and we're talking computers as a whole and not just PCs, but in those years, command lines were still common for use on computers. 2000, this is no longer the case, only ever being utilized when somebody wants to drop to DOS to run an old game. DOS was a popular platform in both 1988 and 1994, but not 2000. Yes I know Windows 98 and ME are based off DOS, but Windows 9x is really a different thing compared to even Windows 3 in my opinion, let alone plain MS-DOS. Where I would say 1994 and 1988 are truly different, I would argue, and you've mentioned this before, is the popularity of non-PC platforms that were had in 1988 compared to 1994. In 1988, platforms such as the Amiga and Atari were popular. By 1994, well, Commodore shut down that year. It could be argued that 1994 marked the end of all 80s influence in computing for that reason. The Macintosh also had a greater degree of popularity in 1988 compared to 1994, with the latter being a part of the Apple Dark Age. That said, Apple's computers in 1994 were also closer to those of 1988 compared to 2000. There's actually a split commonly discussed among Macintosh enthusiasts between Old World ROM Macs, and New World ROM Macs. The split happened in 1998 with the release of the iMac G3. This also came with Apple shifting their strategy regarding their computers. You saw Macs get rid of the beige 80s/90s look in favor of the iMac and iBook's iconic Y2K era look. Of course, you saw a shift starting with the release of the iBook G3 Snow in 2001, which IMO looks like a 2000s laptop. I still stand by my previous post, that computing in 1994 was more like 1988 compared to 2000. The internet in theory is closer to 2000 than 1988, since you DID have the Web vs 1988 when you didn't, but in practice I find is still closer to 1988, since hardly anyone used it, it was not a part of pop culture yet, and it did not create its own culture.
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Post by slashpop on Mar 22, 2022 7:14:30 GMT 10
Transportation in what way? Internet closer to 2000 after early 94 Music in 1993-1994 is a tie or a a bit closer to 1988 Videogaming overall maybe still a bit closer to 1988 but cutting edge arcade and certain pc games including 3d and cutting edge games released on the 3do lean a bit closer to 2000. Transportation, Japanese cars were more common. Cars were also rounder in 1994 (compared to boxy 1988 ones) and air bags were standard. With the internet, it was only a new piece of hot technology in 1994 (which most people didn't regularly use yet), in 2000, it was a common household utility. Another thing to consider, is that we had BBS in 1988 (though, it was mainly geeks that used it). I'm going to address this before you respond to the first part....Going to make this clear as a general response: I would assume you were also there around that time, regardless of the exact time. I recall the usage/ features comparison thing being as basis for 1988, I'm familiar with this. There was never a claim that the year 1994 had the same internet advancements or level of relevance popularity or cultural influence whatsoever, infact I mentioned it a few times as not being on the same level in that regard, not sure why its was elaborated on or brought up, since there no real discussion around that, since 1994 and 1997-1999 are already almost worlds apart in terms of internet culture, usage and mainstream influence. 1996-97,1997,98,99 all had obvious, clear cut turning points that made the internet a a more worldwide phenomenon with very different internet culture and impact than earlier, and that had already pushed it away from 1994-1996, nothing happened overnight in 2000, in terms of the internet. That being said people also overestimate how common and influential internet was in the Y2K era as if it was the same as the early and early to mid 2000s, when it wasn't. I think the internet didn't truly become household over until some point in the early 2000s. Lots of people didn't still have the internet in my class in 2000. I think people lump 1994 as being part of the stone age of early or proto internet, as if its when it was entirely obscure, I don't think that's accurate. 1994 is when it was entering the mainstream, even if it wasn't entirely there and half the population didn't know, it wasn't much different in 1995 and 1996, I remember educating my friends who never heard about surfing the web in 1994-1996 and the internet being randomly discussed more and more in social circles throughout those years. 1994-1996 is its own little era with 1993 being the transition of the first wave or proper internet culture and part of web 1.0, there were millions of internet users in 1994, which was ground breaking, even if it pales in comparison to later and is nothing compared to 2000. Other turning points are: the first movies sites; pulp fiction had an official website in 1994, big bands/artists were starting to have websites like megadeth for the first time ever, muiltnational big business, advertisting and media and tech companies and fresh university graduates were definitely adopting emails in university and utilizing the internet in the work place even if wasn't everyone, other novelties include ordering pizzahut from (only in certain states) aerosmith released their first free mp3 on compuserve sites MTV.com and microsoft.com were established while lycos was goto search engine in 1994 which carried through the mid to late 90s with altavista catching on in 95. If anyone wants to lump 1994 then you must do so 1995-1996 as closer to 1988. On the other hand I would say most of 1993 leans towards 1988, because AOL gaining traction, Mosaic web browser, images, big domain names. etc only came about towards the end of 93. I think this first came full circle in 1994. So despite 1994 being world apart from 2000 in terms of actual state of internet culture and more common usage, even we compare 1995 and 1998, those years are worlds apart. I think the base culture, internet aesthetics, common features and web era are the same, one just more developed and popular, whereas the other is the base/starting point, so I would say 1994 is base of web 1.0 internet, a more finished version of 1993, which lasted until 2004 closer because of that alone I would lump 1994 as closer to 2000. People think internet culture was nothing but random sites in the mid 90s. Even BBS and Usenet (which lasted until the mid 90s) had a culture was already highly developed with hacking phreaking, sci-fi/odd ball writing, people uploading and downloading works of fiction, ripping entire books, having hobby meet ups, digital art, digital music, uploading and downloading cracked pc games. cultdeadcow.com/about.htmlMovies in 1994-1996 were also discussing the internet, movies like net, hackers etc. In 1994 on the regular net you would find tons of forums, fansites, fanfinction (dates to the 80s actually), homemade DOOM and DOOM II wads, very early dating/pen pal profile sites, personal homemade homepages, webrings, free online games, gifs, homemade midi sound clips, cheesy ASACII and AINSI art groups, someone of them were pretty good, very early game FAQs SNES walkthroughs even before gamefaqs was a site and it took AGES to find codes and not everything was there, even privitive games primitive, the game 6 degrees of kevin bacon started and the creators even had an apperance on TV in the mid 90s.
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Post by astropoug on May 13, 2022 18:49:05 GMT 10
I’ve looked over the technology of all three years, and so I’ve decided to post similarities and differences in bullet point form. This won’t decide the victor, but it will at least help me sort things out. Warning, this will be incredibly nerdy.
What 1994 has in common with 1988: -Computer case design in both years was quite similar, if bland. Beige boxes were the norm. On PCs, turbo buttons and key locks were common. Computer cases of 2000 were more experimental. Curvier, more colorful. The iMac and Power Mac Blue & White model are extreme examples that nevertheless became trendsetters. -MS-DOS was common to see on PCs from these two years. It was not in 2000 except as the underlying system that Windows 9x ran on top of. -Floppy disks were the most popular way of distributing data in 1988 and 1994. The floppy drive was omitted from the iMac, and even in PCs that had it, it was either not used at all, or used infrequently by 2000. CD-ROMs had replaced it. -Computers used serial, parallel, and PS/2 ports to connect to devices whereas by 2000, USB was rapidly catching on. -Ball mice were the only form of computer mice in 1988 and 1994, whereas in 2000, optical mice were starting to appear. -The internet was not a common part of people’s lives nor did every company have a website, or begin influencing major aspects of culture and society like it would in 2000. -As far as optical media for watching movies/the most popular alternative to VHS, Laserdisc dominated in both 1988 and 1994, whereas in 2000, it rapidly lost popularity to DVD, which was rapidly gaining attention, appearing everywhere in commercials, and even threatening the dominant format of VHS.
What 1994 has in common with 2000: -Non-PC or Mac platforms had no relevance anymore by 1994, particularly with Commodore’s bankruptcy that year. Contrast this with 1988 where the Amiga, Atari ST, and even Commodore 64 platforms were all popular. -Windows was popular. Sure it existed in 1988 but nobody used it, and very few applications were written for it whereas there were plenty in 1994. -The Web, though primitive in 1994, at least existed, whereas it did not in 1988. -CD-ROM drives included in computers in both 1994 and 2000, which was not the case in 1988 (and even if it was, they usually used those stupid-ass caddies). -CDs are the norm for listening to music. In 1988, cassettes still dominated. CD sales actually peaked in 2000 before losing out to MP3 players.
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Post by astropoug on May 26, 2022 15:37:24 GMT 10
Honestly, I think 1994 was closer to 1988 in general for movies than 2000. The big thing that stands out to me is that whilst CGI was increasingly becoming more prominent in the mid-90s, many movies in 1994 either did not use CGI at all, or used it sparingly. Action movies of 1994 definitely stand as being closer to 1988 than 2000, especially with Die Hard having come out in 1988 and having heavily impacted action movies of the 90s. Speed, one of the biggest films of '94, is a prime example, often described as Die Hard on a Bus. Action movies of the early 2000s on the other hand, were more inspired by The Matrix. Charlie's Angels, which I consider the quintessential film of the Y2K era as a whole, is a prime example, with its martial arts kung fu, frequent slow-mo effects, and heavy CGI. In 2000, CGI was used very heavily in movies by that point (and most of it hasn't aged particularly well). In addition, superhero movies were starting to become more popular because of X-Men, which would result in Marvel movies in general becoming more popular in the 2000s and ESPECIALLY 2010s. As for animated movies, I already made a post about that, but they are WAY closer to 1988 than 2000. If there's one thing that ties 1994 to 2000, it's that Jim Carrey was very popular in both years, with The Mask, Dumb and Dumber, and Ace Ventura coming out in 1994, and How the Grinch Stole Christmas coming out in 2000. On the flipside, Arnold Schwarznegger was very popular in 1988 and 1994 with Twins in the former and True Lies in the latter, but was washed up by 2000. In the 2000s, he would become more known for his run as governor than anything else.
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Post by John Titor on May 27, 2022 0:07:04 GMT 10
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Post by astropoug on May 29, 2022 15:12:32 GMT 10
Here's what I mean about movies. {Spoiler}1988
1994
2000
I think the 1994 movies are more similar in feel and overall production to 1988 movies than 2000 ones. I think it has a lot to do with less or no CGI coupled with different cinemtography and editing. A lot of Y2K/early 2000s movies have this sort of fast-paced quick cut style of editing. The Matrix helped popularize it.
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Post by mc98 on Jun 1, 2022 14:21:02 GMT 10
Here's what I mean about movies. {Spoiler}1988
1994
2000
I think the 1994 movies are more similar in feel and overall production to 1988 movies than 2000 ones. I think it has a lot to do with less or no CGI coupled with different cinemtography and editing. A lot of Y2K/early 2000s movies have this sort of fast-paced quick cut style of editing. The Matrix helped popularize it. I think movies like The Mask leans closer to 2000.
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Post by astropoug on Jun 1, 2022 15:06:56 GMT 10
Here's what I mean about movies. {Spoiler}1988
1994
2000
I think the 1994 movies are more similar in feel and overall production to 1988 movies than 2000 ones. I think it has a lot to do with less or no CGI coupled with different cinemtography and editing. A lot of Y2K/early 2000s movies have this sort of fast-paced quick cut style of editing. The Matrix helped popularize it. I think movies like The Mask leans closer to 2000. I can agree with that. Especially given the CGI and the fact it has Jim Carrey, who was still very popular in 2000 thanks to his movie How the Grinch Stole Christmas.
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Post by Cassie on Jun 1, 2022 15:43:22 GMT 10
I’ve looked over the technology of all three years, and so I’ve decided to post similarities and differences in bullet point form. This won’t decide the victor, but it will at least help me sort things out. Warning, this will be incredibly nerdy. What 1994 has in common with 1988: -Computer case design in both years was quite similar, if bland. Beige boxes were the norm. On PCs, turbo buttons and key locks were common. Computer cases of 2000 were more experimental. Curvier, more colorful. The iMac and Power Mac Blue & White model are extreme examples that nevertheless became trendsetters. -MS-DOS was common to see on PCs from these two years. It was not in 2000 except as the underlying system that Windows 9x ran on top of. -Floppy disks were the most popular way of distributing data in 1988 and 1994. The floppy drive was omitted from the iMac, and even in PCs that had it, it was either not used at all, or used infrequently by 2000. CD-ROMs had replaced it. -Computers used serial, parallel, and PS/2 ports to connect to devices whereas by 2000, USB was rapidly catching on. -Ball mice were the only form of computer mice in 1988 and 1994, whereas in 2000, optical mice were starting to appear. -The internet was not a common part of people’s lives nor did every company have a website, or begin influencing major aspects of culture and society like it would in 2000. -As far as optical media for watching movies/the most popular alternative to VHS, Laserdisc dominated in both 1988 and 1994, whereas in 2000, it rapidly lost popularity to DVD, which was rapidly gaining attention, appearing everywhere in commercials, and even threatening the dominant format of VHS. What 1994 has in common with 2000: -Non-PC or Mac platforms had no relevance anymore by 1994, particularly with Commodore’s bankruptcy that year. Contrast this with 1988 where the Amiga, Atari ST, and even Commodore 64 platforms were all popular. -Windows was popular. Sure it existed in 1988 but nobody used it, and very few applications were written for it whereas there were plenty in 1994. -The Web, though primitive in 1994, at least existed, whereas it did not in 1988. -CD-ROM drives included in computers in both 1994 and 2000, which was not the case in 1988 (and even if it was, they usually used those stupid-ass caddies). -CDs are the norm for listening to music. In 1988, cassettes still dominated. CD sales actually peaked in 2000 before losing out to MP3 players. Windows actually wasn't that popular in 1994. Windows 95 was really when it got big. Also, the Playstation didn't exist for almost all of 1994 and all animated movies were hand drawn. In 2000 CGI animated movies were starting to get big.
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