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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 9:11:52 GMT 10
Obama was still pretty popular in 2014 and the overall zeitgeist was still pretty progressive. That was also before Caitlyn Jenner's appearance on the cover of Vanity Fair magazine in June 2015. That was another moment that really propelled us into the current political era. It's beyond ironic that she's a Republican and a Trump supporter. The legalization of same-sex marriage was the big event that created the current political situation. That was the catalyst for causing the Christian Right to lose their collective minds and decide that a dictator or an overthrow of the US government is necessary in order to restore "traditional values." You’re right. I agree with you. Maybe the 2010s peaked in 2014 because conservative backlash against liberalism didn’t explode until the second half of 2015, despite it bubbling under the surface. 2014 is semi dated for that reason. 2015 still seems modern as it is the first full year with late 2010s connections. Maybe late 2014-early 2015 is the transition. I don’t think people were ready for gay marriage to be legalized. I could’ve sworn that happened in some states as early as late 2004. Massachusetts was the first state to legalize it in 2004 and the Republican response to that was a U.S. constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage federally. That almost happened during the Bush era. I don't think it's as much that people weren't ready for gay marriage to be legalized (the majority supported it after all) as most people underestimated the extreme degree that those who were/are opposed to it are. This is an issue that a not insignificant number of Americans were/are willing to overthrow the government and even justify terrorism over. For decades, preachers screamed behind their pulpits that if America ever legalized same-sex marriage, God would wipe the country off the face of the planet in a fury of fire and brimstone and that it would be up to Christians to rise up against the "tyrannical government" to restore moral order (to prevent such an apocalypse). There was a lot of talk on that day from prominent Republicans about it being the "darkest 24-hours in US history," with comparisons to 9/11. That was when there started to be a lot more open talk of revolution and civil war in right-wing circles. The situation was ripe for someone like Donald Trump to come in and fan the flames.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 11:05:45 GMT 10
You’re right. I agree with you. Maybe the 2010s peaked in 2014 because conservative backlash against liberalism didn’t explode until the second half of 2015, despite it bubbling under the surface. 2014 is semi dated for that reason. 2015 still seems modern as it is the first full year with late 2010s connections. Maybe late 2014-early 2015 is the transition. I don’t think people were ready for gay marriage to be legalized. I could’ve sworn that happened in some states as early as late 2004. Massachusetts was the first state to legalize it in 2004 and the Republican response to that was a U.S. constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage federally. That almost happened during the Bush era. I don't think it's as much that people weren't ready for gay marriage to be legalized (the majority supported it after all) as most people underestimated the extreme degree that those who were/are opposed to it are. This is an issue that a not insignificant number of Americans were/are willing to overthrow the government and even justify terrorism over. For decades, preachers screamed behind their pulpits that if America ever legalized same-sex marriage, God would wipe the country off the face of the planet in a fury of fire and brimstone and that it would be up to Christians to rise up against the "tyrannical government" to restore moral order (to prevent such an apocalypse). There was a lot of talk on that day from prominent Republicans about it being the "darkest 24-hours in US history," with comparisons to 9/11. That was when there started to be a lot more open talk of revolution and civil war in right-wing circles. The situation was ripe for someone like Donald Trump to come in and fan the flames. Oh that makes sense. I’d figure that gay marriage wouldn’t be legalized all over the US during the 2000s. The 2000s are conservative, but the liberal backlash against Bush bubbled during the mid 2000s, especially in the November 2006 election when liberals won all seats. Yes even 2015 and 2016 are progressive and liberal years. I remember many supported gay marriage and Obama pushed for it too. I don’t know if this is related or not, but Target began to remove gender labels from toys and allow transgenders to use whatever restroom they please. The Pulse Nightclub shooting 5 years ago is when the backlash against that got more noticeable, even more during the election and inauguration of Trump. Trump was a backlash. Woah those preachers sound like religious extremists, almost as if they lead a cult or a terrorist organization with the brainwashing and guilt tripping, no offense. Republicans are dramatic. How they can compare gay marriage legalization to 9/11 is beyond me. Social media became more accessible and explosive in the 2010s that it also gave a voice to those who want to return to the 1950s. I don’t think that can be undone. Luckily Biden is now president, which kind of backlashes against the late 2010s backwards mentality.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 4:53:49 GMT 10
^^^ Conservatives did throw a fit about Target removing gender labels from toys. They also stated that trans people can use the restroom of their gender identity. There was a pretty significant boycotts among conservatives over that. My dad still refuses to shop at Target because of it.
To them, it felt like 9/11 because to many of them, America died that day. A lot of conservatives believe that gay marriage was a line in the sand with God and that any country that crosses that line is wiped out. That was a common theme in sermons on the topic going all the way back to the 1980s. This narrative directly ties into why conservatives refuse to acknowledge climate change. They view the warming climate and extreme weather events as a sign of the second coming of Jesus Christ and the precursor to God's judgment of the world. They want it to happen.
The Internet has definitely taken a right-wing, reactionary turn since around the mid '10s. I remember back in the '00s, most Internet forums and comment sections were pretty left leaning. Now, many have been taken over by far-right bullies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 7:46:39 GMT 10
^^^ Conservatives did throw a fit about Target removing gender labels from toys. They also stated that trans people can use the restroom of their gender identity. There was a pretty significant boycotts among conservatives over that. My dad still refuses to shop at Target because of it. To them, it felt like 9/11 because to many of them, America died that day. A lot of conservatives believe that gay marriage was a line in the sand with God and that any country that crosses that line is wiped out. That was a common theme in sermons on the topic going all the way back to the 1980s. This narrative directly ties into why conservatives refuse to acknowledge climate change. They view the warming climate and extreme weather events as a sign of the second coming of Jesus Christ and the precursor to God's judgment of the world. They want it to happen. The Internet has definitely taken a right-wing, reactionary turn since around the mid '10s. I remember back in the '00s, most Internet forums and comment sections were pretty left leaning. Now, many have been taken over by far-right bullies. I expect that from conservatives. To them boys can only play with cars and legos, while girls can only play with dolls and kitchen toys. If kids cross those “boundaries,” they’re called “abnormal” and “homosexual” for committing that sin. I call BS on all that. Kids books are also gendered. I remember the boycotts from Target. I think Starbucks and JCPenney allow transgenders to use the restroom and fitting rooms of their choice. I get it now. Conservatives are used to the 1950s setting, so gay marriage being legalized is 9/11 for them because that marked the death of “traditional” values for them. That’s sickening. I didn’t know conservatives believed that climate changes are a precursor to the end of the world or judgement day. I recall when the 2000s ended, people complained about how it was horrendous politically, especially the early 2000s. The mid 2010s to now puts the 2000s to shame and makes the 2000s look like a cake walk in the park. The internet is more civil, “live and let live” in the 2000s and early 2010s than now. I also see far-right bullies and Trump supporters everywhere online.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Jun 20, 2021 11:07:14 GMT 10
^^^ Conservatives did throw a fit about Target removing gender labels from toys. They also stated that trans people can use the restroom of their gender identity. There was a pretty significant boycotts among conservatives over that. My dad still refuses to shop at Target because of it. To them, it felt like 9/11 because to many of them, America died that day. A lot of conservatives believe that gay marriage was a line in the sand with God and that any country that crosses that line is wiped out. That was a common theme in sermons on the topic going all the way back to the 1980s. This narrative directly ties into why conservatives refuse to acknowledge climate change. They view the warming climate and extreme weather events as a sign of the second coming of Jesus Christ and the precursor to God's judgment of the world. They want it to happen. The Internet has definitely taken a right-wing, reactionary turn since around the mid '10s. I remember back in the '00s, most Internet forums and comment sections were pretty left leaning. Now, many have been taken over by far-right bullies. I expect that from conservatives. To them boys can only play with cars and legos, while girls can only play with dolls and kitchen toys. If kids cross those “boundaries,” they’re called “abnormal” and “homosexual” for committing that sin. I call BS on all that. Kids books are also gendered. I remember the boycotts from Target. I think Starbucks and JCPenney allow transgenders to use the restroom and fitting rooms of their choice. I get it now. Conservatives are used to the 1950s setting, so gay marriage being legalized is 9/11 for them because that marked the death of “traditional” values for them. That’s sickening. I didn’t know conservatives believed that climate changes are a precursor to the end of the world or judgement day. I recall when the 2000s ended, people complained about how it was horrendous politically, especially the early 2000s. The mid 2010s to now puts the 2000s to shame and makes the 2000s look like a cake walk in the park. The internet is more civil, “live and let live” in the 2000s and early 2010s than now. I also see far-right bullies and Trump supporters everywhere online. These are the same conservatives who think Ronald Reagan was the greatest president to grace the earth and want to return to the 1980s.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 11:44:02 GMT 10
I expect that from conservatives. To them boys can only play with cars and legos, while girls can only play with dolls and kitchen toys. If kids cross those “boundaries,” they’re called “abnormal” and “homosexual” for committing that sin. I call BS on all that. Kids books are also gendered. I remember the boycotts from Target. I think Starbucks and JCPenney allow transgenders to use the restroom and fitting rooms of their choice. I get it now. Conservatives are used to the 1950s setting, so gay marriage being legalized is 9/11 for them because that marked the death of “traditional” values for them. That’s sickening. I didn’t know conservatives believed that climate changes are a precursor to the end of the world or judgement day. I recall when the 2000s ended, people complained about how it was horrendous politically, especially the early 2000s. The mid 2010s to now puts the 2000s to shame and makes the 2000s look like a cake walk in the park. The internet is more civil, “live and let live” in the 2000s and early 2010s than now. I also see far-right bullies and Trump supporters everywhere online. These are the same conservatives who think Ronald Reagan was the greatest president to grace the earth and want to return to the 1980s. Exactly! I am not surprised that 1980s nostalgia is huge. It has been huge since 2001. In 2001, conservatism blew up again thanks to George W. Bush and it got worse once 9/11 hit because people saw him as a hero. I see that as a backlash against the liberalism and progressivism vibe of 1993-2000. Bush was popular in the early 2000s, but received backlash in the mid 2000s. People not only want the pop culture from the 1980s to return, but also the conservative or backwards ideals. The 1980s are not all that. I think in the 1980s, people were nostalgic for the 1950s and 1960s, which were terrible decades to be a person of color or a part of LGBTQ. Even the 1980s were terrible in those regards. I can maybe name one show from the 1980s that had an African American cast. I think in the 1990s, liberal attitudes started to come back with more acceptance of the LGBTQ community and more TV shows or sitcoms about African American families started to air. Rap and RnB music, mainly associated with African Americans, got popular in the 1990s. I've come to like the 1990s more than the 1980s because of the progressive and forward thinking aspects. I think the 1990s were better than the 1980s.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 13:17:31 GMT 10
To conservatives, it's all about undoing the social changes of the 1960s. They believe the sexual revolution and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 began America's moral decline. They want a patriarchal society where the church is the center of social life and the community. Conservatives may be nostalgic for the 1980s, but the '80s were all about trying to undo the 60s and 70s and bring back the era of Father Knows Best.
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Post by 10slover on Jun 21, 2021 14:03:25 GMT 10
It's official y'all, 2016 just joined the "good half of the 2010s" club, it is now a Nostalgic year for gen z.
I see Zoomers on the internet, talking about how 2016 was the last good year before life went to sh1t
2017 is next. That means fortnite, fidget spinners and despacito will stop being "cringy" and start being "nostalgic".
I can't wait to see the 2004-2007 born zoomers circlejerking over how "great" fortnite is, even though we've spent a good portion of the last 4 years making fun of it
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Post by 10slover on Jun 21, 2021 14:06:03 GMT 10
I expect that from conservatives. To them boys can only play with cars and legos, while girls can only play with dolls and kitchen toys. If kids cross those “boundaries,” they’re called “abnormal” and “homosexual” for committing that sin. I call BS on all that. Kids books are also gendered. I remember the boycotts from Target. I think Starbucks and JCPenney allow transgenders to use the restroom and fitting rooms of their choice. I get it now. Conservatives are used to the 1950s setting, so gay marriage being legalized is 9/11 for them because that marked the death of “traditional” values for them. That’s sickening. I didn’t know conservatives believed that climate changes are a precursor to the end of the world or judgement day. I recall when the 2000s ended, people complained about how it was horrendous politically, especially the early 2000s. The mid 2010s to now puts the 2000s to shame and makes the 2000s look like a cake walk in the park. The internet is more civil, “live and let live” in the 2000s and early 2010s than now. I also see far-right bullies and Trump supporters everywhere online. These are the same conservatives who think Ronald Reagan was the greatest president to grace the earth and want to return to the 1980s. Mark my words: in the 2030s, conservatives will start feeling nostalgic for the 2010s because of the Trump era.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 6:31:55 GMT 10
These are the same conservatives who think Ronald Reagan was the greatest president to grace the earth and want to return to the 1980s. Mark my words: in the 2030s, conservatives will start feeling nostalgic for the 2010s because of the Trump era. I find this extremely unlikely given the fact that 2010s culture is what resulted in them deciding insurrection, violence, and even civil war are the necessary actions to take to "reclaim America for Christ." There's a not so insignificant chance that there will be a breakup of the USA before 2030, especially since so many simply refuse to accept secular government. There's also the question of what happens if abortion is banned in the USA next year and if same-sex marriage is overturned. I doubt progressive America will sit by idly and let that happen. Trump was the church's weapon against the culture and against secular society, but at least for the time being, they failed. However, this isn't over. We are in very uncharted territory in the western world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 10:37:38 GMT 10
To conservatives, it's all about undoing the social changes of the 1960s. They believe the sexual revolution and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 began America's moral decline. They want a patriarchal society where the church is the center of social life and the community. Conservatives may be nostalgic for the 1980s, but the '80s were all about trying to undo the 60s and 70s and bring back the era of Father Knows Best. Yeah the 1970s are a liberal and hippie decade, so the backlash they got in the 1980s was awful. Same thing with the 1990s in the 2000s and the early to mid 2010s in the late 2010s. Conservatives want to undo the progress done. The damage Trump caused in 4 years will take years to fix. He ruined America’s name. America is a laughing stock. We are barely recovering from the late 2010s. If anything we are living in the aftermath of the late 2010s. I would say Trump set this country back decades, not just years, and it's possible the USA will never recover. The kind of stuff happening in this country right now hasn't happened since the 19th century. And the crazy thing is despite everything, almost half the country still worships Trump as a deity just because he hates the right people. In my opinion, the only hope for this country at the current moment is that the system is resilient enough to outlast the baby boomers. The first half of the 2010s was a lot like the 1960s on steroids and the second half was much like the 1980s on steroids. America's saving grace may just be the fact that Trump is in his seventies and most of his supporters aren't that far behind him in age.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Jun 22, 2021 13:59:41 GMT 10
To conservatives, it's all about undoing the social changes of the 1960s. They believe the sexual revolution and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 began America's moral decline. They want a patriarchal society where the church is the center of social life and the community. Conservatives may be nostalgic for the 1980s, but the '80s were all about trying to undo the 60s and 70s and bring back the era of Father Knows Best. Yeah the 1970s are a liberal and hippie decade, so the backlash they got in the 1980s was awful. Same thing with the 1990s in the 2000s and the early to mid 2010s in the late 2010s. Conservatives want to undo the progress done. The damage Trump caused in 4 years will take years to fix. He ruined America’s name. America is a laughing stock. We are barely recovering from the late 2010s. If anything we are living in the aftermath of the late 2010s. I don't remember the 1990s ever having a backlash tbh. The 1980s absolutely had backlash in the 90s but, not as bad of a backlash that the 60s & 70s had in the 80s though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 14:22:28 GMT 10
Yeah the 1970s are a liberal and hippie decade, so the backlash they got in the 1980s was awful. Same thing with the 1990s in the 2000s and the early to mid 2010s in the late 2010s. Conservatives want to undo the progress done. The damage Trump caused in 4 years will take years to fix. He ruined America’s name. America is a laughing stock. We are barely recovering from the late 2010s. If anything we are living in the aftermath of the late 2010s. I don't remember the 1990s ever having a backlash tbh. The 1980s absolutely had backlash in the 90s but, not as bad of a backlash that the 60s & 70s had in the 80s though. Whoops my bad. I remember in the mid 2000s, people whined that the 2000s feel like the 1990s. It seems as the backlash decades receive get less intensity as decades go on. The 2000s may have been backlashed in the 2010s. I think the backlash the 2010s will get in the 2020s will be bad as the backlash the 1980s got in the 1990s.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 15:07:29 GMT 10
I would say Trump set this country back decades, not just years, and it's possible the USA will never recover. The kind of stuff happening in this country right now hasn't happened since the 19th century. And the crazy thing is despite everything, almost half the country still worships Trump as a deity just because he hates the right people. In my opinion, the only hope for this country at the current moment is that the system is resilient enough to outlast the baby boomers. The first half of the 2010s was a lot like the 1960s on steroids and the second half was much like the 1980s on steroids. America's saving grace may just be the fact that Trump is in his seventies and most of his supporters aren't that far behind him in age. It is almost as if Trump is leading a cult. The racial tensions has been horrible since the mid 2010s, but Trump amped that up. I agree Trump has set America back decades. I hope America recovers, but it is sadly realistic that it will not. I hope the Biden administration is a cure for the damages done. The 2010s mirror the 1970s where the first half is a hangover period (2000s and 1960s respectively) and the second half (1980s and 2015 to now) is tumultuous. I pray that Trump fails in 2024. I hope he doesn't even run because if he runs, he likely reclaims power whether he wins or not. It's also a nightmare scenario for the possibility of re-electing Trump to even be a question. Hopefully he gets indicted or father time has his way with him before 2024. If he's healthy and not in prison, it's more likely than not he reclaims power. Around 40% of Americans view Trump as a messiah figure. It's scary and it feels like I'm living in a dystopian fiction movie because this is actually happening.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 15:19:03 GMT 10
I hope he doesn't even run because if he runs, he likely reclaims power whether he wins or not. It's also a nightmare scenario for the possibility of re-electing Trump to even be a question. Hopefully he gets indicted or father time has his way with him before 2024. If he's healthy and not in prison, it's more likely than not he reclaims power. Around 40% of Americans view Trump as a messiah figure. It's scary and it feels like I'm living in a dystopian fiction movie because this is actually happening. I also hope for the same. I wish democrats keep their seats and win more seats in the November 2022 election. Yeah another Trump presidency is a nightmare. His presidency in the late 2010s felt like 8 years. Our world is scary and dystopian for sure. Almost as if we are living in 1984 or 2012 depicted in the movies. The movie 'V for Vendetta' is very much like what seems to be happening in the USA. I'd recommend watching it if you haven't seen it. When Trump got elected I mentioned that movie and predicted that is where things were headed and it's insane how right I was. I mentioned it more as hyperbole back then.
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