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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 29, 2017 15:27:28 GMT 10
I was thinking about this earlier. History tends to repeat itself and major movements in music tend to last for around half a century. For instance, jazz was the most dominant form of music for most of the Early-Mid 20th Century, until rock n' roll emerged in the Mid '50s and eventually took over the reign in the Late '60s. The Rock movement itself was a major movement in pop culture from about 1955 until 2010, when post-grunge fell out of favour.
Given that the first universally accepted rap song was released almost 40 years ago and hip-hop began to became a mainstream force in the Late 80s/Early 90s, is it possible that we have already passed the peak in popularity of the hip-hop movement? Could hip-hop face the same fate as jazz and rock, with a new genre of music replacing hip-hop in the 2030s?
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Post by longaotian on Nov 29, 2017 15:42:55 GMT 10
Damn we ain't even at the 2020s yet 
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Post by rainbow on Nov 30, 2017 6:17:06 GMT 10
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Post by Skitty on Nov 30, 2017 21:06:49 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 3:53:29 GMT 10
I'll be too old to care and may not even be around. I don't follow the music scene any more as I don't like the music but I sincerely hope so, to answer the question. I hate hiphop and its associated genres.
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Post by Mibblez on Dec 6, 2017 11:16:32 GMT 10
Most likely. But the real question is: what is the new genre that will replace it? Like what possible new type of music will be made that has not been done before?
I always figured disco mixed with techno, or some sort of electronic music will be popular...because future 😋
Plus the 2030s will be when nostalgia for the 2010s becomes a thing so more trap or electronic music will still be around. Tho us old folks by then will remember the hip hop of this time and get nostalgic about it.
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Post by rainbow on Dec 6, 2017 11:19:19 GMT 10
Most likely. But the real question is: what is the new genre that will replace it? Like what possible new type of music will be made that has not been done before? I always figured disco mixed with techno, or some sort of electronic music will be popular...because future 😋 Plus the 2030s will be when nostalgia for the 2010s becomes a thing so more trap or electronic music will still be around. Tho us old folks by then will remember the hip hop of this time and get nostalgic about it. I agree with this. It's hard to make predictions for the 2030's especially when we aren't even in the decade before it yet.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 6, 2017 11:23:23 GMT 10
Most likely. But the real question is: what is the new genre that will replace it? Like what possible new type of music will be made that has not been done before? I always figured disco mixed with techno, or some sort of electronic music will be popular...because future 😋 Plus the 2030s will be when nostalgia for the 2010s becomes a thing so more trap or electronic music will still be around. Tho us old folks by then will remember the hip hop of this time and get nostalgic about it. I'm not sure. I do believe, however, that the first signs of a possible new genre (which will replace hip-hop) either already exists in some form or will be developed in the next few years. For instance, the first widely credited rap song was released in 1979, at a time when rock and disco were the dominant genres of music. It wasn't until 1986 that hip-hop had breakthrough into the mainstream, but even then, it didn't achieve mass acclaim until about 1989/1990.
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Post by 10slover on Jun 22, 2021 10:29:01 GMT 10
I can definitely see it happening, if hip-hop goes the same way of rock, we should see the first cracks start to appear in 2020s, specially the late 20s.
I wish 2020s rap rejects some of the things that defined 10s rap (materialism, flexing, stupid dance songs, trap beats, sexism). Just like 90s rock rejected many things that defined 80s rock.
Then the 2030s will be the last decade in which hip-hop enjoys mainstream appeal, it would die Somewhere around 2037-2040.
Assuming hip-hop dies the same way rock did, ofc. But what will replace it? Some new genre? Wasn't rap already big in the late 80s?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 12:06:18 GMT 10
That depends on whether or not a new genre emerges to replace hip-hop. I currently believe the genre is in it's hair metal stage, not it's post-grunge stage.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jun 22, 2021 16:38:59 GMT 10
I can definitely see it happening, if hip-hop goes the same way of rock, we should see the first cracks start to appear in 2020s, specially the late 20s. I wish 2020s rap rejects some of the things that defined 10s rap (materialism, flexing, stupid dance songs, trap beats, sexism). Just like 90s rock rejected many things that defined 80s rock. Then the 2030s will be the last decade in which hip-hop enjoys mainstream appeal, it would die Somewhere around 2037-2040. Assuming hip-hop dies the same way rock did, ofc. But what will replace it? Some new genre? Wasn't rap already big in the late 80s? That's pretty much how I see it playing out. Trap is still around on the charts at the moment, however I think it is in a similar place as to what hair-metal was back in 1990/1991. Nirvana may have kickstarted the '90s alt-rock wave in late 1991, but hair-metal didn't disappear overnight. Mr Big's "To Be with You" was one of the biggest hits of 1992 and that was after albums like Nevermind, Ten and Blood Sugar Sex Magik were released. A new sub-genre of rap will likely take the mantle from Trap in the next year or so and it will more than likely be in the form of a backlash to Trap. However, it's going to take a number of years for it to completely sweep Trap off the Top-40 charts. My guess is that it will be a new EDM-infused genre which isn't currently possible to produce with today's technology. Rap was around during the '80s, you're right, but it wasn't until c. 1990 that it really rose to the forefront of pop culture and it began to truly challenge rock in terms of popularity. Up until around then, it was always a long distant second. If a new genre does emerge at some point in the future and replaces rap as the most popular genre of music, I could see a similar thing happening. There's a possibility it will emerge sometime during this decade and it will gradually rise in popularity over the years until it reaches its "MC Hammer & Vanilla Ice" stage by the second-half of the 2030s. That depends on whether or not a new genre emerges to replace hip-hop. I currently believe the genre is in it's hair metal stage, not it's post-grunge stage. I agree that it's still in its hair-metal phase, however I personally believe it's at the tail-end of it. It's "grunge moment" will likely occur in the next year or so, when a more alternative-style of hip-hop begins to pick up steam in the form of it being a backlash to Trap.
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Post by slashpop on Jun 22, 2021 18:12:57 GMT 10
Honestly there is very little mainstream hip hop since around 1996-1997 the captures my attention. It's mostly been underground.
Hip Hop since 1999-2001ish lacks something. Every era since has felt more watered down and more soulness the previous.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jun 22, 2021 18:29:30 GMT 10
Hip Hop since 1999-2001ish lacks something. Every era since has felt more watered down and more soulness the previous. I'm not a hip-hop fan, but the impression that I've always had is that '90s rap had more substance and meaning. I listened to one of the few rap songs I genuinely do enjoy, Coolio's "C U When You Get There", about a week ago and while I was, I couldn't help but think that a song like that probably wouldn't ever make it onto the charts today. If it did, it would probably have to have bikini models, or sports cars, or 808s Trap beats to even stand a slight chance of being successful.
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Post by slashpop on Jun 22, 2021 18:36:15 GMT 10
Hip Hop since 1999-2001ish lacks something. Every era since has felt more watered down and more soulness the previous. I'm not a hip-hop fan, but the impression that I've always had is that '90s rap had more substance and meaning. I listened to one of the few rap songs I genuinely do enjoy, Coolio's "C U When You Get There", about a week ago and while I was, I couldn't help but think that a song like that probably wouldn't ever make it onto the charts today. If it did, it would probably have to have bikini models, or sports cars, or 808s Trap beats to even stand a slight chance of being successful. Even stuff like Eminem back in 1999-2001 was just bubblgum candy pop compared to anything released in 1987-1988 to 1998. Although R&B and some early pop rap was showing up in 1996-1997 you still had a batch of core 90s releases. Even in 1997-1998 when pop rap and shiny suit rap was becoming popular, there was still some even if less, solid core 90s hip hop (cypress hill, ice cube, wu tang) that blow would most of Eminem's Y2K and early 2000s material out of the water, including so called rappers that peaked during the very late 90s/early 2000s.
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Post by 10slover on Jun 22, 2021 18:49:09 GMT 10
I think I'll have to disagree with you two.
Artists like Kendrick Lamar, Tyler the creator, JPEG mafia, Frank Ocean, Kanye West and many others, are always trying to push the limits of mainstream hip-hop.
We've had some great hip-hop songs that i can see people calling "classics" a few years from now.
In fact, I'd say hip-hop is the only genre that is allowed to be "experimental" in 2021
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