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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 6:56:06 GMT 10
Or is it the other way around?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 7:15:25 GMT 10
Or is it the other way around? The 2010s saw the transition from momentum being on the side of progress and equality to momentum being on the side of Christian fundamentalism, bigotry, and oppression. The 2010s were the opposite of the 1960s.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 5, 2021 17:51:09 GMT 10
Or is it the other way around? The 2010s saw the transition from momentum being on the side of progress and equality to momentum being on the side of Christian fundamentalism, bigotry, and oppression. The 2010s were the opposite of the 1960s. You mean the late 10s were the opposite of the 1960s? The average person in early 2000s was more homophobic than most trump supporters and alt righters in the late 2010s. I would said the late 10s are still more liberal than the early 2000s. You didn't have to be gay at all and you could be bullied for it. Hating gays was insanely normalized for some part of the 2000s. Fringe right wing groups, haven't really changed all the equalities and mass acceptance that most gay and lesbian enjoy in big cities in the late 10s, everyone I knew in 2017 was totally fine with gay and lesbians. I think hook up lifestyle are the real from of oppression whether you are straight, lesbian, trans, non-binary, bisexual or whatever it is. It promotes habits and behaviors that are extremely psychologically unhealthy and in some cases destructive and its very very common.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Dec 5, 2021 18:19:02 GMT 10
The 2010s saw the transition from momentum being on the side of progress and equality to momentum being on the side of Christian fundamentalism, bigotry, and oppression. The 2010s were the opposite of the 1960s. You mean the late 10s were the opposite of the 1960s? The average person in early 2000s was more homophobic than most trump supporters and alt righters in the late 2010s. I would said the late 10s are still more liberal than the early 2000s. You didn't have to be gay at all and you could be bullied for it. Hating gays was insanely normalized for some part of the 2000s. Fringe right wing groups, haven't really changed all the equalities and mass acceptance that most gay and lesbian enjoy in big cities in the late 10s, everyone I knew in 2017 was totally fine with gay and lesbians. I think hook up lifestyle are the real from of oppression whether you are straight, lesbian, trans, non-binary, bisexual or whatever it is. It promotes habits and behaviors that are extremely psychologically unhealthy and in some cases destructive and its very very common. The social acceptance of homophobia was probably a thing in every year in recent history going before 2010. Definitely one of the negative traits of the recent past.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 5, 2021 18:27:15 GMT 10
I think 2010s were much more changeful and better than the 2000s politically. 2000s was responsible for Bush and neo-conservatism running rampant it felt like the everyone had a small town conservative 80s mindset with peak levels of bigotry in all respects (non- north americans, non-anglo saxons, mexicans, LGBT, geeks etc) and regressed from the more intellectual and forward thinking clinton era.
Compared to the 90s and 2010s, the 2000s were less progressive era. 2008 and 2009 were blue prints for the 2010s.
There were good things about parts of the 2000s but not everything old is automatically good and has to automatically be nostalgic, because enough time passes and its time to move to the next era which needs to be blindly worshipped.
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Post by 10slover on Dec 5, 2021 21:53:30 GMT 10
Dunno tbh, could Obama have been elected in 2000 or 2004?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 4:37:28 GMT 10
I think 2010s were much more changeful and better than the 2000s politically. 2000s was responsible for Bush and neo-conservatism running rampant it felt like the everyone had a small town conservative 80s mindset with peak levels of bigotry in all respects (non- north americans, non-anglo saxons, mexicans, LGBT, geeks etc) and regressed from the more intellectual and forward thinking clinton era.And we are back to that in the 2020s, but worse because it's become so much more violent.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 6, 2021 4:44:22 GMT 10
I think 2010s were much more changeful and better than the 2000s politically. 2000s was responsible for Bush and neo-conservatism running rampant it felt like the everyone had a small town conservative 80s mindset with peak levels of bigotry in all respects (non- north americans, non-anglo saxons, mexicans, LGBT, geeks etc) and regressed from the more intellectual and forward thinking clinton era.And we are back to that in the 2020s, but worse because it's become so much more violent. Pockets in the bible best, rural towns and midwest with those mindsets still don't amount to that, the average trump voter and new right winger doesn't have a problem with gays and lesbians or bisexuals and does not care about forcing people into Christianity. Milo Yannopolis literally led the alt right, richard spencer can pass for someone is who is gay. The hot issue is SJW trans people overdoing it and using the victim card, and even thats so 2017. Christianity and moral policing in general was threatening in the 80s-90s and the Y2K era when there was a heavier push towards censorship regarding violent rap lyrics, internet porn when it first came out, goth imagery and video games like doom, mortal kombat, too much nudity in movies were seen as threatening to boomer parents and teachers and potentially warping the minds of kids and teens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 4:49:26 GMT 10
And we are back to that in the 2020s, but worse because it's become so much more violent. Pockets in the bible best, rural towns and midwest with those mindsets still don't amount to that, the average trump voter and new right winger doesn't have a problem with gays and lesbians or bisexuals and does not care about forcing people into Christianity. Milo Yannopolis literally led the alt right, richard spencer can pass for someone is who is gay. The hot issue is SJW trans people overdoing it and using the victim card, and even thats so 2017. Christianity and moral policing in general was threatening in the 90s when censorship violent rap lyrics, goth imagery and video games like doom, mortal kombat, too much nudity in movies were seen as threatening to boomer parents and teachers. Milo Yannopolis now claims to be ex-gay and is promoting conversion therapy. Right-wingers are okay with gay people as long as they are "struggling with same-sex attraction" and aren't out and proud. Even if trans activists sometimes take things a little far, why does that cross a red line for so many of this country while violent insurrection at the capitol doesn't?
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Post by slashpop on Dec 6, 2021 5:23:19 GMT 10
Pockets in the bible best, rural towns and midwest with those mindsets still don't amount to that, the average trump voter and new right winger doesn't have a problem with gays and lesbians or bisexuals and does not care about forcing people into Christianity. Milo Yannopolis literally led the alt right, richard spencer can pass for someone is who is gay. The hot issue is SJW trans people overdoing it and using the victim card, and even thats so 2017. Christianity and moral policing in general was threatening in the 90s when censorship violent rap lyrics, goth imagery and video games like doom, mortal kombat, too much nudity in movies were seen as threatening to boomer parents and teachers. Milo Yannopolis now claims to be ex-gay and is promoting conversion therapy. Right-wingers are okay with gay people as long as they are "struggling with same-sex attraction" and aren't out and proud. Even if trans activists sometimes take things a little far, why does that cross a red line for so many of this country while violent insurrection at the capitol doesn't? I know. But I think he's just a sociopath looking to make money after he got canceled, and I think he admitted some people can't change who they are. In the midst of it he led the movement in the late 10s when he wasn't like that. Even donald trump was in favor of gay rights, even if that wasn't consistent on every issue. I think people like the proud boys, violent conservatives and neo-nazis are a minority groups. I don't see any mass violence targeted people with moderate or logical views or lesbians/ gay people either . I don't think most modern right wing people are all equally bigoted like that nowadays outside of a number of them and jesus freaks in the bible belt/midwest/fringe groups. Vast majority of people in modern western big cities don't have hangups or care if you are lesbian or gay or have mutiple wives or whatever, I don't think of someone defined by their orientation. I don't think most people still have this need to be completely wear their identity or always announce who they are, I think we are past that era imo.
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Post by John Titor on Dec 6, 2021 9:27:21 GMT 10
Dunno tbh, could Obama have been elected in 2000 or 2004? I don’t think so. I recall the first half of the 2000s being conservative, even more than today to some extent. was too conservative at the time
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Post by carcar on Dec 8, 2021 11:26:02 GMT 10
The 2010s saw the transition from momentum being on the side of progress and equality to momentum being on the side of Christian fundamentalism, bigotry, and oppression. The 2010s were the opposite of the 1960s. You mean the late 10s were the opposite of the 1960s? The average person in early 2000s was more homophobic than most trump supporters and alt righters in the late 2010s. I would said the late 10s are still more liberal than the early 2000s. You didn't have to be gay at all and you could be bullied for it. Hating gays was insanely normalized for some part of the 2000s. Fringe right wing groups, haven't really changed all the equalities and mass acceptance that most gay and lesbian enjoy in big cities in the late 10s, everyone I knew in 2017 was totally fine with gay and lesbians. I think hook up lifestyle are the real from of oppression whether you are straight, lesbian, trans, non-binary, bisexual or whatever it is. It promotes habits and behaviors that are extremely psychologically unhealthy and in some cases destructive and its very very common. Transgender visibility spiked in the mid 2010s because of Caitlyn Jenner in ways that it didn’t in the 2000s, while Cisgender gays and lesbians made strides in equality to have more rights all over the western world, transgender and non-binary people of any sexual orientation lagged behind them, and still do to this day, 2021 transgender hate crimes spiked.
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Post by carcar on Dec 8, 2021 11:31:01 GMT 10
Milo Yannopolis now claims to be ex-gay and is promoting conversion therapy. Right-wingers are okay with gay people as long as they are "struggling with same-sex attraction" and aren't out and proud. Even if trans activists sometimes take things a little far, why does that cross a red line for so many of this country while violent insurrection at the capitol doesn't? I know. But I think he's just a sociopath looking to make money after he got canceled, and I think he admitted some people can't change who they are. In the midst of it he led the movement in the late 10s when he wasn't like that. Even donald trump was in favor of gay rights, even if that wasn't consistent on every issue. I think people like the proud boys, violent conservatives and neo-nazis are a minority groups. I don't see any mass violence targeted people with moderate or logical views or lesbians/ gay people either . I don't think most modern right wing people are all equally bigoted like that nowadays outside of a number of them and jesus freaks in the bible belt/midwest/fringe groups. Vast majority of people in modern western big cities don't have hangups or care if you are lesbian or gay or have mutiple wives or whatever, I don't think of someone defined by their orientation. I don't think most people still have this need to be completely wear their identity or always announce who they are, I think we are past that era imo. Cisgender gays and lesbians were easier to accept over transgender and non-binary groups. In fact there’s opposing feminists like terfs that have gone in uproar over them. I think we’re past that era for Cisgender gay men and lesbian women but not so much for trans people, as was the case for bathrooms in so long ago Coming out stories just don’t have the same controversy or e excitement as they did like a decade ago either. That much I’ve seen
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Post by 10slover on Dec 9, 2021 9:38:48 GMT 10
You mean the late 10s were the opposite of the 1960s? The average person in early 2000s was more homophobic than most trump supporters and alt righters in the late 2010s. I would said the late 10s are still more liberal than the early 2000s. You didn't have to be gay at all and you could be bullied for it. Hating gays was insanely normalized for some part of the 2000s. Fringe right wing groups, haven't really changed all the equalities and mass acceptance that most gay and lesbian enjoy in big cities in the late 10s, everyone I knew in 2017 was totally fine with gay and lesbians. I think hook up lifestyle are the real from of oppression whether you are straight, lesbian, trans, non-binary, bisexual or whatever it is. It promotes habits and behaviors that are extremely psychologically unhealthy and in some cases destructive and its very very common. Transgender visibility spiked in the mid 2010s because of Caitlyn Jenner in ways that it didn’t in the 2000s, while Cisgender gays and lesbians made strides in equality to have more rights all over the western world, transgender and non-binary people of any sexual orientation lagged behind them, and still do to this day, 2021 transgender hate crimes spiked. I'm pretty sure transgender visibility is peaking right now That's why there's such a huge anti-trans (specially anti-mtf) backlash going on right now; a lot of people are only now learning about trans people Back in the mid 10s a lot of people didn't even know what "non-binary" was, and people didn't care about this pronoun stuff either I would go as far as to say that the mid 10s were more transphobic than 2021 Yeah, transphobes are way more vocal nowdays, but so are pro-trans allies and trans people themselves A similar thing happened to homosexuality in the 70s and 80s, that's why there was such a backlash against it in the late 70s and through the 80s and even early 90s
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Post by carcar on Dec 13, 2021 11:20:33 GMT 10
Transgender visibility spiked in the mid 2010s because of Caitlyn Jenner in ways that it didn’t in the 2000s, while Cisgender gays and lesbians made strides in equality to have more rights all over the western world, transgender and non-binary people of any sexual orientation lagged behind them, and still do to this day, 2021 transgender hate crimes spiked. I'm pretty sure transgender visibility is peaking right now That's why there's such a huge anti-trans (specially anti-mtf) backlash going on right now; a lot of people are only now learning about trans people Back in the mid 10s a lot of people didn't even know what "non-binary" was, and people didn't care about this pronoun stuff either I would go as far as to say that the mid 10s were more transphobic than 2021 Yeah, transphobes are way more vocal nowdays, but so are pro-trans allies and trans people themselves A similar thing happened to homosexuality in the 70s and 80s, that's why there was such a backlash against it in the late 70s and through the 80s and even early 90s Yes but the peak started with Caitlyn Jenner in the mid 2010s and it’s been on going ever since
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